Just because someone is a caffeine addict, with a biological urge to consume caffeine at 500 mg a day, doesn't mean they can't make a conscious choice not to consume caffeine at such an insane rate. It's called self control and impulse control.
Society already criticizes people on lack of impulse control for all kinds of things.
So....it's justification to topple a sovereign nation because
1. You have interest in their natural resource 2. Other countries don't like his stance like socialism (never would of thought a dictator could be a socialist, maybe a totalitarian could...)
The birth order can also signify a social aspect to nature/nurture argument.
This does not prove causation either. We can just as easily say, a person with more older brothers are more likely to be homosexual because of their family situation.
It also said that the finger ratio for homosexual men and hetero were not significantly different. It only became significantly different when birth order came into play. This does not prove causation either.
It says it's more pronounced in female births due to hormonal abnormalities. The oppositions of LGT can argue that hormonal abnormalities can be fixed.
Also this suggests that prenatal androgen may influence sexual orientation in both sexes. 1. Emphasizes on the may. They're guessing, and they're researching it. It has not been conclusive yet. 2. Research saying it's prenatal androgen influencing both sexes, kind of goes against the theory that it's prenatal testosterone causing homosexual guys and prenatal estrogen causing homosexual girls. If they want to combine the theory, that's all and good.
I'm still not convinced and anyone who claims to be convinced by "mays" and "early research" are simply believing what they want to and looking for any hint of evidence to support them and running with it. Same behavior on both side of the debate.
And as the West imposing their will. It's the West's thought that dictatorship is wrong. Not everyone opposes to not being in a democratically elected country. It's the West's will that everyone must have democratic elected government. Not everyone in Libya is backing the rebels, or it would be going more along the lines of Egypt.
Open rebellion doesn't mean they're right. Lots of countries have open rebellion and civil wars. It's not the place of outsiders with no vested interest to interfere. This is a civil war and the West will regret AGAIN with interfering with another country, time and time again.
My best example is how much Al quada loves the US after the US went into their country and armed Al quada.
No I don't trust this Ghaddaffi, but if there are ties to terrorism, than I feel it's vindicated with the Westerns constant encroachment into the Middle East's sovereignty. The US 'armed' the al-Qaeda they are fighting now. The US has seeded unrest and discourse in the Middle East for generations. If they fight back, it's out of necessity against a larger force and they fight back the only way they can, striking at civilians till the civilians stop their own military.
I also don't trust the rebel forces. If I was the rebel, and I wanted to push for a fight. And the other side called a ceasefire. I would break the ceasefire and blame the "tyrant" and keep the fight going. The rebels aren't to be trusted either.
Ghaddafi still has more loyalist. But why should he let his own loyalist die when he can hire mercenaries to defend them against insurgents.
My comment on some military was a comparison with Egypt's military support and the fewer that is neither helping the rebels nor staying on Ghaddafi's side.
And I'm from Massachusetts and sick and tired of the Westerners imposing their will upon the Middle East at the expense of our own people.
The Libyans weren't trying to secede peacefully. They were trying to overthrow Gaddafi by force. Protests of late have been very violent. The difference? Egypt had popular revolution force backed by the military. Libyans? No. Minority.
Depends what the KKK app does. If the KKK app spouts nonsense about white supremacy and why they should not be minority-sympathizers, then yeah, I'd say to allow it, because it's their right as expressed by the society.
There are things out there that claim why men or women are inferior, and I think they have a right too exist too.
And I think anti-semantic taglines should be admissible as well.
Reparative therapy is a tool, and like any tool can be harmful or helpful. Reparative therapy techniques have been used in legitimate physiological therapy.
Visualization? Social Skills Training? Therapy? Interventions?
The big thing that comes to mind is all the effort dumped into the Autistic.
It's all a matter of perspective.
I have yet to see any credible research make a solid determination as to homosexuality being biological. The hormone difference is contradictory to itself. And there have been no evidence like evolution's evidence. And in light of that, and even despite any future credible research, people should still have their right to their bigoted views. They should only be restricted on their actions that act upon others.
You have your right to say those things too, and I agree with your view that they are "sexist, egotistical, hypocritical bigots". But this isn't about the greater fight of LGT, this is about their right to an app.
Egypt was a popular democratic uprising and they didn't need the Western help.
This is a minority rebel uprising. And won't succeed without Western help. And the longer the fighting, the more the causality. It makes sense for the standing sovereign to use any means possible to end the fighting as fast as possible.
Didn't the US use indiscriminate force in Iraq? Didn't Saddam surround himself with civilians and the US bombed them anyways? The West stinks of hypocrisy and that's why they're hated around the world.
Aren't the US troops still killing innocent civilians in Iraq and pay restitution out of tax money?
Why is it right for the West to poke their noses into another country, YET again.
Some military personnel turned against their leader. This isn't Egypt where it was a popular revolution.
This is a minority, attacking standing government and fighting a losing battle. The standing government does not want to let rebels win and doing all they can to preserve their rule. Any other sovereignty would do the same (though with differing views on excessive). This is a standing government that the West doesn't like so they want to topple it, just like Cuba.
This is just as bad as any other invasion.
And this is vindication to every single terrorist organization out there for defending themselves to extreme measures in the face of Western invasion. They don't have the power to fight against a big bully head on so they are fighting for their very lives any which way they can.
Believe it or not, I agree with the DADT having no place in Government policy. Or that any beliefs should have a basis for public policy, irrational or rational. Public policy should be based on rational decisions and logic, not beliefs of a majority or minority, especially in a democracy. I have mixed feelings about DOMA but that has nothing to do with this either.
This has nothing to do with government policy. This is about an organization's right to throw out their beliefs in the form of an app that other believers can pay for.
Neither does the LGBT have any credible evidence to back up their beliefs either.
This app is not trying to force the LGBT into anything. This app is to appeal to their believers and the LGBT is making a fuss over it. The opposition have a right to their bigot message. This app doesn't force the LGBT community to the opposition's views. It MAY inflame the opposition to convert the LGBT but the LGBT has done their share of trying to convert people into thinking homosexuality is biological and not preference.
I fail to see the correlation, especially since my ring finger is shorter than my index finger.
And more testosterone makes a guy gay? By your hormonal theory, wouldn't more estrogen make a person think like a girl, and in case of guy, then be gay?
Observations has been that more testosterone makes a person more masculine, guy or girl. And the "Casanova" (a guy who was into tons of girls) had heighten testosterone. And differing homosexuals have been shown to have both a "masculine" personality and a "feminine" personality. So the use of hormonal difference to denote sexuality is grasping at straws.
Apple has been pro-homosexual. They have lent their power in support of homosexual rights.
This is hardly offensive stating only the Exodus's beliefs and their idea for solving their perceived problem.
Just because it differs from your point of view does not make it blatantly offensive. Anyone can find even the minute thing offensive. If the world was to cater to individual's offense, then everything would be censored.
Those who don't want the app are under no obligation to purchase it. Those who want to purchase it for whatever reason, though I find it hard to fathom, should be allowed to waste their money.
I would say censoring porno is pushing it too, but since they want to be a family-rated site, then extreme adult material should be censored. I don't agree with Apple on that, but it's their prerogative. Just like if this was extremely sexual in nature, the LGT has the right to attack it on the adult material point of view.
I would mod you up but oddly I don't have any mod points anymore. Must be the idleness.
I have no problem with homosexuality, but this exactly is one of the main reason why I hate the LGT lobbyist and Vegan lobbyists. It's one thing to have their own perspective, that I can respect. They can even denounce and be vapid about the opposition view, that is their right. But for the LGT to try and force their views on the rest of the population is blatant hypocrisy. They are just as bad as those who they decry.
The LGT "believes" that being homosexual is unavoidably biological, and they're free to have their belief. The conservatives "believes" that being homosexual is a conscious choice and they have a problem with that choice, and they're free to have their belief too.
I don't have a better label for opposition of LGT's without looking confusing.
If the LGT adamantly opposes the conservatives from aggressively silencing the LGT's voice, then the LGT has no right to aggressively silence the conservatives' voice.
I'm agnostic and do not support the Catholic Church, but short of them dragging people off to religious indoctrination (kidnapping) or forcible sexual-preference conversion (rape), they have their right to their beliefs. My only problem is my tax dollars supporting the Christian mission that does not involve humanitarian aid. That or my tax dollars pushing Catholic fallacy like "abstinence only".
Now of course my opposition to "teaching" Creationism in "mandatory schools" paid by "tax dollars" as "Science" to replace "legitimate" science is a different issue, and not a reflection on silencing the Creationists.
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I'm open to that being a conscious choice.
Just because someone is a caffeine addict, with a biological urge to consume caffeine at 500 mg a day, doesn't mean they can't make a conscious choice not to consume caffeine at such an insane rate. It's called self control and impulse control.
Society already criticizes people on lack of impulse control for all kinds of things.
I'm from the US and I believe the West = Christian = Evil
I don't know what Obama's plan is, but I don't believe the bullshit about this isn't about oil.
And Obama's broken promise doesn't exactly make me trust him more.
And people on the thread arguing for your side, already said the US is right in this because it does have a vested interest in the oil.
So....it's justification to topple a sovereign nation because
1. You have interest in their natural resource
2. Other countries don't like his stance like socialism (never would of thought a dictator could be a socialist, maybe a totalitarian could...)
Yeah very noble vested interests.
That's not proof, that's supposition. The other side makes suppositions too.
The birth order can also signify a social aspect to nature/nurture argument.
This does not prove causation either. We can just as easily say, a person with more older brothers are more likely to be homosexual because of their family situation.
It also said that the finger ratio for homosexual men and hetero were not significantly different. It only became significantly different when birth order came into play. This does not prove causation either.
It says it's more pronounced in female births due to hormonal abnormalities. The oppositions of LGT can argue that hormonal abnormalities can be fixed.
Also this suggests that prenatal androgen may influence sexual orientation in both sexes.
1. Emphasizes on the may. They're guessing, and they're researching it. It has not been conclusive yet.
2. Research saying it's prenatal androgen influencing both sexes, kind of goes against the theory that it's prenatal testosterone causing homosexual guys and prenatal estrogen causing homosexual girls. If they want to combine the theory, that's all and good.
I'm still not convinced and anyone who claims to be convinced by "mays" and "early research" are simply believing what they want to and looking for any hint of evidence to support them and running with it. Same behavior on both side of the debate.
So the theory is that testosterone or estrogen levels in the womb sets the gender identity and it's done with?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2045354&cid=35546816 regarding why I don't trust either side about what happened to the cease fire. Could have just as easily been the rebels.
And as the West imposing their will. It's the West's thought that dictatorship is wrong. Not everyone opposes to not being in a democratically elected country. It's the West's will that everyone must have democratic elected government. Not everyone in Libya is backing the rebels, or it would be going more along the lines of Egypt.
Open rebellion doesn't mean they're right. Lots of countries have open rebellion and civil wars. It's not the place of outsiders with no vested interest to interfere. This is a civil war and the West will regret AGAIN with interfering with another country, time and time again.
My best example is how much Al quada loves the US after the US went into their country and armed Al quada.
No I don't trust this Ghaddaffi, but if there are ties to terrorism, than I feel it's vindicated with the Westerns constant encroachment into the Middle East's sovereignty. The US 'armed' the al-Qaeda they are fighting now. The US has seeded unrest and discourse in the Middle East for generations. If they fight back, it's out of necessity against a larger force and they fight back the only way they can, striking at civilians till the civilians stop their own military.
I also don't trust the rebel forces. If I was the rebel, and I wanted to push for a fight. And the other side called a ceasefire. I would break the ceasefire and blame the "tyrant" and keep the fight going. The rebels aren't to be trusted either.
Ghaddafi still has more loyalist. But why should he let his own loyalist die when he can hire mercenaries to defend them against insurgents.
My comment on some military was a comparison with Egypt's military support and the fewer that is neither helping the rebels nor staying on Ghaddafi's side.
And I'm from Massachusetts and sick and tired of the Westerners imposing their will upon the Middle East at the expense of our own people.
The Libyans weren't trying to secede peacefully. They were trying to overthrow Gaddafi by force. Protests of late have been very violent. The difference? Egypt had popular revolution force backed by the military. Libyans? No. Minority.
Depends what the KKK app does. If the KKK app spouts nonsense about white supremacy and why they should not be minority-sympathizers, then yeah, I'd say to allow it, because it's their right as expressed by the society.
There are things out there that claim why men or women are inferior, and I think they have a right too exist too.
And I think anti-semantic taglines should be admissible as well.
Reparative therapy is a tool, and like any tool can be harmful or helpful. Reparative therapy techniques have been used in legitimate physiological therapy.
Visualization? Social Skills Training? Therapy? Interventions?
The big thing that comes to mind is all the effort dumped into the Autistic.
It's all a matter of perspective.
I have yet to see any credible research make a solid determination as to homosexuality being biological. The hormone difference is contradictory to itself. And there have been no evidence like evolution's evidence.
And in light of that, and even despite any future credible research, people should still have their right to their bigoted views. They should only be restricted on their actions that act upon others.
You have your right to say those things too, and I agree with your view that they are "sexist, egotistical, hypocritical bigots". But this isn't about the greater fight of LGT, this is about their right to an app.
It's not a popular democratic uprising.
Egypt was a popular democratic uprising and they didn't need the Western help.
This is a minority rebel uprising. And won't succeed without Western help. And the longer the fighting, the more the causality. It makes sense for the standing sovereign to use any means possible to end the fighting as fast as possible.
See the difference?
Hahahahaha
*wipes a tear from his eyes from laughter*
Next you'll tell me Obama fulfilled his promises from 2008 and pulled out of Iraq in a year.
Didn't the US use indiscriminate force in Iraq? Didn't Saddam surround himself with civilians and the US bombed them anyways? The West stinks of hypocrisy and that's why they're hated around the world.
Aren't the US troops still killing innocent civilians in Iraq and pay restitution out of tax money?
Another day. Same thing.
Or a bunch of rebels trying to overthrow a standing government.
The difference between domestic terrorist and honored revolutionary? Popularity and success.
The US has their own rebels, maybe the rest of the world should overthrow the Tyrant US government?
Gadhafi already called for a ceasefire Friday before the deadline, to talk things about with the rebels.
This isn't a peace talk. This is the West imposing their will on the Middle East again.
Why is it right for the West to poke their noses into another country, YET again.
Some military personnel turned against their leader. This isn't Egypt where it was a popular revolution.
This is a minority, attacking standing government and fighting a losing battle. The standing government does not want to let rebels win and doing all they can to preserve their rule. Any other sovereignty would do the same (though with differing views on excessive). This is a standing government that the West doesn't like so they want to topple it, just like Cuba.
This is just as bad as any other invasion.
And this is vindication to every single terrorist organization out there for defending themselves to extreme measures in the face of Western invasion. They don't have the power to fight against a big bully head on so they are fighting for their very lives any which way they can.
Believe it or not, I agree with the DADT having no place in Government policy.
Or that any beliefs should have a basis for public policy, irrational or rational. Public policy should be based on rational decisions and logic, not beliefs of a majority or minority, especially in a democracy.
I have mixed feelings about DOMA but that has nothing to do with this either.
This has nothing to do with government policy. This is about an organization's right to throw out their beliefs in the form of an app that other believers can pay for.
Neither does the LGBT have any credible evidence to back up their beliefs either.
This app is not trying to force the LGBT into anything. This app is to appeal to their believers and the LGBT is making a fuss over it. The opposition have a right to their bigot message. This app doesn't force the LGBT community to the opposition's views. It MAY inflame the opposition to convert the LGBT but the LGBT has done their share of trying to convert people into thinking homosexuality is biological and not preference.
Do you have any proof that homosexuality is not a preference? Because I haven't seen science offer any evidence yet.
And before you add, I don't support the Catholic views and their repressive beliefs.
I fail to see the correlation, especially since my ring finger is shorter than my index finger.
And more testosterone makes a guy gay? By your hormonal theory, wouldn't more estrogen make a person think like a girl, and in case of guy, then be gay?
Observations has been that more testosterone makes a person more masculine, guy or girl. And the "Casanova" (a guy who was into tons of girls) had heighten testosterone. And differing homosexuals have been shown to have both a "masculine" personality and a "feminine" personality. So the use of hormonal difference to denote sexuality is grasping at straws.
Apple has been pro-homosexual. They have lent their power in support of homosexual rights.
I hardly see them as right-wing.
Apple making this a family-rated site is not the same as this anti-homosexual app.
Apple has been pro-homosexual. They have lent their power in support of homosexual rights.
This is hardly offensive stating only the Exodus's beliefs and their idea for solving their perceived problem.
Just because it differs from your point of view does not make it blatantly offensive. Anyone can find even the minute thing offensive. If the world was to cater to individual's offense, then everything would be censored.
Those who don't want the app are under no obligation to purchase it. Those who want to purchase it for whatever reason, though I find it hard to fathom, should be allowed to waste their money.
I would say censoring porno is pushing it too, but since they want to be a family-rated site, then extreme adult material should be censored. I don't agree with Apple on that, but it's their prerogative. Just like if this was extremely sexual in nature, the LGT has the right to attack it on the adult material point of view.
I would mod you up but oddly I don't have any mod points anymore. Must be the idleness.
I have no problem with homosexuality, but this exactly is one of the main reason why I hate the LGT lobbyist and Vegan lobbyists. It's one thing to have their own perspective, that I can respect. They can even denounce and be vapid about the opposition view, that is their right. But for the LGT to try and force their views on the rest of the population is blatant hypocrisy. They are just as bad as those who they decry.
The LGT "believes" that being homosexual is unavoidably biological, and they're free to have their belief.
The conservatives "believes" that being homosexual is a conscious choice and they have a problem with that choice, and they're free to have their belief too.
I don't have a better label for opposition of LGT's without looking confusing.
If the LGT adamantly opposes the conservatives from aggressively silencing the LGT's voice, then the LGT has no right to aggressively silence the conservatives' voice.
I'm agnostic and do not support the Catholic Church, but short of them dragging people off to religious indoctrination (kidnapping) or forcible sexual-preference conversion (rape), they have their right to their beliefs. My only problem is my tax dollars supporting the Christian mission that does not involve humanitarian aid. That or my tax dollars pushing Catholic fallacy like "abstinence only".
Now of course my opposition to "teaching" Creationism in "mandatory schools" paid by "tax dollars" as "Science" to replace "legitimate" science is a different issue, and not a reflection on silencing the Creationists.