And Firewire is a competitor against, well, something like AGP and something like the home entertainment network that doesn't presently exist. It achieves its greater throughput by eliminating some of the error checking of USB, so you wouldn't want it for file access, where every bit is critical. But it's great for streaming music or video because a bit here or there on those is no great loss. Ethernet doesn't compete against either one--it's for communication among independent systems, where a peripheral bus is for communication among subparts of one system.
I disagree. USB was initially not supposed to take on Fireware in competition. However with the usb 2.0 spec (~480mbit/sec max) it looks like that is exactly what they're going to push for.
The lack of bus protocol-level error correction in one particular instance of firewire bus transfers (isochronous transfers) is not where its speed comes from. It was simply designed from the beginning to support a higher signalling rate rather than be ultra-cheap to implement (usb's original goal).
To add something on topic: has anyone seen an IEEE 802.11 USB doohickey? Is USB's max of 5V 500mA power to a device sufficient?
The prosecution needed to "obtain" the encryption key-(using tempest, bugs, etc..) before going after the raw data. In the future I expect this to become a more common practice, although obtaining the key in a legal court admissable way should be difficult assuming the "defendent to be" cares about their keys.
The defendant is protected under the 5th amendment from having to divulge the encryption key. The prosecution can't decide not to return or copy something for the defendant just because its utterly useless to themselves.
PS Who says the govt. hasn't decrypted it? If they have that ability it would be classified.
It's too late now for this go round, but in the future please include a write in (text entry field) for each category.
Also, there were some items that I just felt none of the canidates deserved. A "none deserve it" option would be nice. If "none deserve it" wins, none of the canidates get the money.
I haven't needed a login for the nytimes articles I've seen linked too from slashdot or yahoo in a couple months. I don't recall entering one of the many free logins & passwords either (but wouldn't rule that out, I can forget stupid things like that:). Have they gotten smart and ditched the login idea?
I thought I'd update this note to mention that VA Linux Systems does employ one of the USB developers now. Figuring out who is left as an excercise for the reader.
Repricing is good! Yes, there's lots of hype value right now, but there is also something seriously flawed with an IPO that jumps to 10x its opening price on the first day of trading and stays up there. That means the underwriters didn't do their best to get money for the company.
The real game isn't about making a cheap buck for us lowly investors, its about financing a company. VA is going to have a huge amount of cash after this, it'll be interesting to watch what they do with it.
Ah yes, but do you really consider turbo tax a "software application"? Its value is not in its ability to do computation based on questions it asks you. Instead it is more of a service; you're paying for their expertise in preparing the expert system correctly for this years tax laws.
I'd argue that we already have created this software as opensource: the web browser or other UI toolkits.
Service will always sell.
only purpose: tracking law -abiders-
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It is impossible to design the system so that licenses are required. What will happen is that those with malicious intent will find ways around the system, use fake or stolen licenses, etc.
Just like real life.
This kind of thing is stupid. Noone can -govern- a network!
At least that's how NASA views it. Part of the reason the Chandra was launched into such a high orbit was that by agreeing to put it out of shuttle reach, there could never be any pressure to launch costly missions to fix it in the future. They reportedly learned their lesson from the Hubble...
Disposable satellite telescopes anyone? (how about a new Kodak Fun-Hubble and Fun-Hubble w/flash!)
All USB controllers (UHCI & OHCI) provide a "legacy emulation mode" (its in the specs) that allows them to do simple "boot protocol" keyboard stuff on the bus. This allows for the BIOS and DOS to operate correctly with a USB keyboard without needing USB drivers as they just see a regular keyboard interface.
Many legacy modes are annoyingly buggy, but its just designed to be used until the OS loads some real USB drivers (try unplugging and replugging your keyboard or keyboard on a hub while in legacy mode).
Yes, this is exactly what I do. I run slink on my desktop PC and my Alpha and run potato on my laptop.
On top of slink, I build my own 2.2/2.3 kernel and my own Xserver [XFree86 3.9.16] (the "old" clients are fine; they don't really change much).
For software packages I've build myself, I recommend looking at the "stow" package. It's a little GNU utility for managing/usr/local software installs with symlinks.
Playing spacewar on a hercules card with one of the old slow-fading phosphor green monitors was great. It was hi-res and left slowly fading trails wherever your ships or shots moved.
I've been using it since 2.1 and haven't had a problem with any version.
Of course I buy my hardware with XFree86 in mind. I've use S3 86c801 and S3 Virge cards in the past.
I only use Matrox cards these days (8mb Millennium 2s are cheap and the best 2D cards around!)
I'm running the 3.9.16 "beta" these days.
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Show me proof about the CPU time. That just depends on the host controller.
Besides, we haven't seen any of the host controller specs for 2.0.
It really sucks that the USB forum wants thousands of dollars for us linux-usb developers to be able to look at the specs before they make them public next year.
Of course yours was rejected. If you submit a patch to a non-GPL'd project it can't truely be accepted without causing the whole of the original project to effectively be under the GPL. (that's the virus nature that people whine about)
He was saying it wasn't a -personal- issue such as saying, "oh, I know they like the GPL so I won't accept their work."
If you want a patch accepted, wake up just donate it to the project without trying to license your patch. Work for the common good!
Yes, this project "supposedly" existed. However after announcing it somewhere and not releasing it yet the author(s) got tons of AOL luser email flaming them for not giving it out; basically people being assholes.
You can email the author and get a very pissed off response that anybody even asks him about it anymore. (figure out the email address from the link in the german article; if you can't do that, get off the net)
But with a 33Mhz R3000A, you can't expect good decoding of high enough bitrate mp3s to be worth plugging into a stereo system.
Go buy an old laptop or cheap $300 computer, it'll work much better.
I loved OS/2, using it since 1993 with 2.0 and never having had an actual windows system. (my first windows experience was in os/2 2.0). It was a wonderful step up from DOS + Desqview or DOS + Terminate, but that's where it ended.
The WPS was very cool when it didn't get screwed up. Ultimately I became a unix lover. The -many- DOSisms that OS/2 (and now NT) carry on such as drive letters, backslash path seperators, and case insensitive filenames to the point where tons of otherwise useful utilities become utterly useless as they convert everything to upper case when editing config files (this wreaked havoc on the environment variable settings for ports of unix software such as the GNU compilers and XFree86).
To top it off IBM, as a whole, just didn't care about users. That was the final nail in the coffin no matter how hard we wanted them to like us.
A badly managed, mis serviced-packed Warp install is still on my hard drive awaiting nuking for disk space. The last time I used it was to run TurboTax. Now we have vmware, I'll be buying that around tax time of Wine isn't up to running a tax prep. program without crashing.
Face it, even if you love what OS/2 did and was, its way to out of date today. Dump the old DOSisms and move onto a free unix for real freedom from the shackles of a company.
We've got nearly 500 systems (Irix, Solaris, Linux, Unicos & ConvexOS) running it here. It makes host management a dream.
As for the author, well... Mark is a little backwards in his views on how to develop things. He's afraid of using patch, doesn't see the point in a CVS repository (he doesn't even use RCS), etc. So it can be difficult to get him to incorporate things; but it does happen.
Be realistic though. You shouldn't try and get *him* to add things; you should develop the addition yourself along with a discussion of how to implement it on the mailing list. If he likes the idea he'll add it to a future version.
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The feature windows has that hasn't yet been developed for Linux is market share.
I disagree. USB was initially not supposed to take on Fireware in competition. However with the usb 2.0 spec (~480mbit/sec max) it looks like that is exactly what they're going to push for.
The lack of bus protocol-level error correction in one particular instance of firewire bus transfers (isochronous transfers) is not where its speed comes from. It was simply designed from the beginning to support a higher signalling rate rather than be ultra-cheap to implement (usb's original goal).
To add something on topic: has anyone seen an IEEE 802.11 USB doohickey? Is USB's max of 5V 500mA power to a device sufficient?
Greg
The prosecution needed to "obtain" the encryption key-(using tempest, bugs, etc..) before going after the raw data. In the future I expect this to become a more common practice, although obtaining the key in a legal court admissable way should be difficult assuming the "defendent to be" cares about their keys.
The defendant is protected under the 5th amendment from having to divulge the encryption key. The prosecution can't decide not to return or copy something for the defendant just because its utterly useless to themselves.
PS Who says the govt. hasn't decrypted it? If they have that ability it would be classified.
It's too late now for this go round, but in the future please include a write in (text entry field) for each category.
Also, there were some items that I just felt none of the canidates deserved. A "none deserve it" option would be nice. If "none deserve it" wins, none of the canidates get the money.
I haven't needed a login for the nytimes articles I've seen linked too from slashdot or yahoo in a couple months. I don't recall entering one of the many free logins & passwords either (but wouldn't rule that out, I can forget stupid things like that :). Have they gotten smart and ditched the login idea?
I thought I'd update this note to mention that VA Linux Systems does employ one of the USB developers now. Figuring out who is left as an excercise for the reader.
Repricing is good! Yes, there's lots of hype value right now, but there is also something seriously flawed with an IPO that jumps to 10x its opening price on the first day of trading and stays up there. That means the underwriters didn't do their best to get money for the company.
The real game isn't about making a cheap buck for us lowly investors, its about financing a company. VA is going to have a huge amount of cash after this, it'll be interesting to watch what they do with it.
Not 100% on topic, but:
What exactly -is- DVD Audio supposed to provide that a CD don't? 5.1 surround concert CDs? 10 hours of music? More expensive players?
just curious..
Ah yes, but do you really consider turbo tax a "software application"? Its value is not in its ability to do computation based on questions it asks you. Instead it is more of a service; you're paying for their expertise in preparing the expert system correctly for this years tax laws.
I'd argue that we already have created this software as opensource: the web browser or other UI toolkits.
Service will always sell.
It is impossible to design the system so that licenses are required. What will happen is that those with malicious intent will find ways around the system, use fake or stolen licenses, etc.
Just like real life.
This kind of thing is stupid. Noone can -govern- a network!
Did I miss something? I thought last description was pretty accurate.
;)
VA is not in the market for low end machines, they didn't appear to care about USB at all when I talked to them in July. (this may have changed)
By far the best Linux-USB supporter is SuSE, with many USB hardware vendors coming next.
At least that's how NASA views it. Part of the reason the Chandra was launched into such a high orbit was that by agreeing to put it out of shuttle reach, there could never be any pressure to launch costly missions to fix it in the future. They reportedly learned their lesson from the Hubble...
Disposable satellite telescopes anyone? (how about a new Kodak Fun-Hubble and Fun-Hubble w/flash!)
All USB controllers (UHCI & OHCI) provide a "legacy emulation mode" (its in the specs) that allows them to do simple "boot protocol" keyboard stuff on the bus. This allows for the BIOS and DOS to operate correctly with a USB keyboard without needing USB drivers as they just see a regular keyboard interface.
Many legacy modes are annoyingly buggy, but its just designed to be used until the OS loads some real USB drivers (try unplugging and replugging your keyboard or keyboard on a hub while in legacy mode).
- a linux-usb developer
It makes toast and has a wonderful little knob for setting the toastieness. (Uhoh! knobs are probably a patented user interface!)
And it was only $10 at Macys.
Yes, this is exactly what I do. I run slink on my desktop PC and my Alpha and run potato on my laptop.
/usr/local software installs with symlinks.
On top of slink, I build my own 2.2/2.3 kernel and my own Xserver [XFree86 3.9.16] (the "old" clients are fine; they don't really change much).
For software packages I've build myself, I recommend looking at the "stow" package. It's a little GNU utility for managing
Playing spacewar on a hercules card with one of the old slow-fading phosphor green monitors was great. It was hi-res and left slowly fading trails wherever your ships or shots moved.
I've been using it since 2.1 and haven't had a problem with any version.
Of course I buy my hardware with XFree86 in mind.
I've use S3 86c801 and S3 Virge cards in the past.
I only use Matrox cards these days (8mb Millennium 2s are cheap and the best 2D cards around!)
I'm running the 3.9.16 "beta" these days.
Show me proof about the CPU time. That just depends on the host controller.
Besides, we haven't seen any of the host controller specs for 2.0.
It really sucks that the USB forum wants thousands of dollars for us linux-usb developers to be able to look at the specs before they make them public next year.
Of course yours was rejected. If you submit a patch to a non-GPL'd project it can't truely be accepted without causing the whole of the original project to effectively be under the GPL. (that's the virus nature that people whine about)
He was saying it wasn't a -personal- issue such as saying, "oh, I know they like the GPL so I won't accept their work."
If you want a patch accepted, wake up just donate it to the project without trying to license your patch. Work for the common good!
Yes, this project "supposedly" existed. However after announcing it somewhere and not releasing it yet the author(s) got tons of AOL luser email flaming them for not giving it out; basically people being assholes.
You can email the author and get a very pissed off response that anybody even asks him about it anymore. (figure out the email address from the link in the german article; if you can't do that, get off the net)
But with a 33Mhz R3000A, you can't expect good decoding of high enough bitrate mp3s to be worth plugging into a stereo system.
Go buy an old laptop or cheap $300 computer, it'll work much better.
I loved OS/2, using it since 1993 with 2.0 and never having had an actual windows system. (my first windows experience was in os/2 2.0). It was a wonderful step up from DOS + Desqview or DOS + Terminate, but that's where it ended.
The WPS was very cool when it didn't get screwed up. Ultimately I became a unix lover. The -many- DOSisms that OS/2 (and now NT) carry on such as drive letters, backslash path seperators, and case insensitive filenames to the point where tons of otherwise useful utilities become utterly useless as they convert everything to upper case when editing config files (this wreaked havoc on the environment variable settings for ports of unix software such as the GNU compilers and XFree86).
To top it off IBM, as a whole, just didn't care about users. That was the final nail in the coffin no matter how hard we wanted them to like us.
A badly managed, mis serviced-packed Warp install is still on my hard drive awaiting nuking for disk space. The last time I used it was to run TurboTax. Now we have vmware, I'll be buying that around tax time of Wine isn't up to running a tax prep. program without crashing.
Face it, even if you love what OS/2 did and was, its way to out of date today. Dump the old DOSisms and move onto a free unix for real freedom from the shackles of a company.
Does anybody else besides me have a burning desire to go watch Woody Allen's sleeper again after seeing this?
this guy is smoking crack.
We've got nearly 500 systems (Irix, Solaris, Linux, Unicos & ConvexOS) running it here. It makes host management a dream.
As for the author, well... Mark is a little backwards in his views on how to develop things. He's afraid of using patch, doesn't see the point in a CVS repository (he doesn't even use RCS), etc. So it can be difficult to get him to incorporate things; but it does happen.
Be realistic though. You shouldn't try and get *him* to add things; you should develop the addition yourself along with a discussion of how to implement it on the mailing list. If he likes the idea he'll add it to a future version.