That GPS thing is a little hinky but I'm still waiting for big Bro' to implement an auto-pilot. That way after two pitchers at the pub, I can get home without being FORCED to go home with that old chick who's always at the bar.
"I think at a point we have to say that personal freedom is better than personal safety. Ok, so maybe the FBI would catch a few criminals by doing this. I don't care. I don't like the idea of being secretly watched while I watch a football game. We could monitor everyone from birth with tracers and chips and cut down crime considerably. But is it worth it? Don't think so."
Mod this guy up. He aint bein' a bad boy and so he should get a brownie point for effort.
Besides, he's right. Sir William Blackstone:
"The law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
In what we want to believe is a just society, doesn't this sound like a cornerstone of justice? Don't even get me started on the death penalty!
Re:Been done here for ages, and it works.
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"Personally, I can't wait until we're able to nab criminals from orbit using high-resolution satellites. Or even better, high-resolution satellites equipped with lasers."
Except when you stop and think that, "Oh, the DMCA makes 50% of/. readers into criminals..." and disobeying your EULA in Virginia makes you a miscreant of the highest order....
well the really funny part is that few free-market zealots realize that it is Government control and interference that keeps corporate leaders from being bankrupted every time they make a boo boo. Not to mention strung up by the angry masses affected by corporate misdeeds.
Unfortunately, the biggest beneficiaries of a economic system that the Libertarian Party envisions would be corporations and the rich, who would continue to become richer at the expense of all else.
Capitalism is working now, the way it is (for corporations.) Why would you want to extend the balance of power even MORE in the way of the well-to-do?
Ahhh but see a system like that which you suggest will not ever even be considered unless we get some real PUBLIC (not corporate) servants in upper government. Bush and Gore are already in the pockets of big business, so a vote for either of them is a vote for the status quo.
Vote Nader if you believe INDIVIDUALS, not corporations, should be empowered and uplifted in America.
Ya know how Bush kept talking about "accountability" in the debates?
Well THAT, my friends, is what Nader wants for corporations....accountability. No, he doesn't want to "destroy corporations" he wants to protect the public from a government-spawned monster that consumes everything in its path in order to profit. Think about it, you budding Libertarians; corporations exist, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT! In this government created organization, the individuals steering and making sometimes very serious decisions that affect thousands or even millions of lives are PROTECTED. 90 people get sick because of the toxins that have seeped into the groundwater near your manufacturing plant? No problem, your corporation *might* (if it gets caught) in a worst case scenario have to pay a 500 million dollar fine. Oh well, no biggie, just put that in your statement at the end of the quarter and it's a tax deduction. And, maybe you wont be able to take *all* the executives to Barbados this summer, just your favorite golf buddies. *shrug*
Corporations do NOT need more freedom.
People do.
Vote Nader.
Well, you question my intelligence and say that I am asleep, and yet you don't even have a name. This doesn't command much respect, and neither does your blurting out dogmatic absolutes.
I referred to my self as libertarian, with an uncapitalized L. However, even if I had said Libertarian, I disagree with your statement vehemently. I espouse many Libertarian ideals as in "do what you want as long as you hurt noone else." I disagree in the areas of social justice and government regulation.
In other words, I like the people stuff, but the business stuff is all a bunch of uber-capitalist bullshit that would leave the public totally unprotected from the greed of corporations. Libertarians try to argue about "the market will make sure they are honest." The thing is, not every corp wants to be in for the long haul. For every IBM, there are at least two or three scams. I refuse to call myself a *L*ibertarian for the same reasons that your typical upper-echelon dot-com stooge or corporate CEO rabidly advocates Libertine ideals.
So you see, Nader more closely meshes with my philosophy, therefore I will vote for him.
you say you don't like the social engineering tendencies of the left?
Well what about the moral engineering tendencies of the right?
My views are libertarian with the exception that government DOES have a place in our society. Regulation of business practices is extremely important to our economic and environmental health, so I am voting for NADER.
Some interesting opinions on Libertarian thinking:
http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA96/borsook .html
"These are the inheritors of the greatest government subsidy of technology and expansion in technical education the planet has ever seen; and, like the ungrateful adolescent offspring of immigrants who have made it in the new country, they take for granted the richness of the environment in which they have flourished, and resent the hell out of the constraints that bind them. And, like privileged, spoiled teenagers everywhere, they haven't a clue what their existence would be like without the bounty showered on them. These high-tech libertarians believe the private sector can do everything -- but, of course, R&D is something that cannot by any short-term measurement meet the test of the marketplace, the libertarians' measure of all things. They decry regulation--except without it, there would be no mechanism to ensure profit from intellectual property, without which entrepreneurs would not get their payoffs, nor would there be equitable marketplaces in which to make their sales."
And it gets even better. Any would-be Libertarians, who havent already made the jump to full-fledged rabid dogma spewing stage, should read this article. If you want to respond, please convince me that you read the article first.
Re:The Middle Class' Best Interest is to Vote Nade
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"I hypothesize that Nader wants to keep the middle class right where they are."
Nader is not against the wealthy, he is against social injustice which is often committed by the rich (read: corporations) unto the public.
The Libertarian Party is already eligible for matching federal funds but has refused it in the last two elections. Vote for Nader/the Green Party and you will actually accomplish something. The Libertarian utopian "free market" is really not ever going to happen anyway, and I tend to hope it never does. Check out this salon article: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/10/20/cust omer/index.html
Towards the end it has an interesting theory about the true free market being embodied by, of all things, Napster....
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And only fools beleive propaganda.
In a free society, what you do with your own chemistry is your business not the government's, teachers', nor well-intentioned naive neighbor's.
Do take drugs! See what interesting things happen. Just remember that you take them because they are fun. You can't live altered all the time....
Balance is much more satisfying.
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"The only punk that matters is Oi! and white power/racialist punk. Skrewdriver, Angry Aryan, Blue Eyed Devils, Pluton Svea, etc. Eat shit, nigger loving kikes"
Dont worry troll, Im not at all upset by your lame attempt to incite the ire of the sensible.
I just wanted to share that I actually laughed outloud at that name... Angry Aryan
heh heh heh
oh and that's not punk. Real punks abhored that race hating bullshit, because that was what OLD people did. The kids didn't have time for that old fart thinking.
And DUB fucking rocks!!
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Drugs can be dangerous when used to excess or in dangerous combinations. Cars, and even Vitamin C are also dangerous when *AB*used. I have in the past used meth to improve my work output. I never degenerated into a raving junkie, nor did my use become apparent to anyone else (I took extremely small doses.) Good for that after lunch slump. I don't do this anymore because heehee, I work for myself, and on my own terms. Course I'm not getting rich, but that's O.K.
The point is, don't demonize *drugs*. Instead realize that some people do not know how to be personally responsible. With food, t.v., sex, religion, or even drugs.....
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come on Libertaran zealot, why piss on Nader, a guy who has served the public selflessly for decades, just because Harry Browne isn't even on the radar in polls? sour grapes?
BTW, how can you possibly take the "Libertarian Party" seriously? A political party that has the Statue of Liberty as its mascot? That is always quick to bark out that it is "the third largest political party?"
I consider myself a libertarian, but I'd rather be caught dead before calling myself a "Libertarian."
You are wrong about the destined for failure thing....
the number of people paying is definitely going to decrease as time goes on. People often have more than one computer in more than one location, and who wants to pay twice for something they bought?
I think this is actually a great success as an indicator of people's general wish to pay a *fair* price for stuff they download/listen to, etc.
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my wife actually knew Il Duce through an old boyfriend who was in the band Dr. Know and from her descriptions of him and footage I have seen, he was a very scary raving lunatic. I would not put it past him to pass out drunk on a railroad track. Probably a good thing too.
Someone has been watching that lame tabloid "documentary" 'Kurt & Courtney' recently eh? Im not a fan of Hole, but don't slander her based on second or ten thousandth hand information.
I can't help but guess how many of these ACs and new users are trained chimps temporarily hired by the RIAA to come in and flood any popular discussion board where these subjects come up. Of course, there was always dissenting opinion but by far the viewpoint most often posted was anti-copyright (pro-napster, whatever) for a long time. Don't instantly say that I am a sore loser, or that I can't handle opposition or other BS. I'm just wondering.
After all, would most/.ers put something like that past a "representative trade body" like the RIAA, whose real job is to spew propaganda in the courtroom and in the press, without getting their constiuents' (BMG, Universal, Time-Warner, etc.) hands dirty?
I don't really give a shit about Napster, Inc, but I wince at the plundering of public works that has been occuring for the last decades. Soon, you won't be able to whistle a tune without a nearby automated copyright terminal popping up with a siren prompting you for a 5$ coin. How many years do you give it for this to occur?
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Why do people seem to think that they have a right to a middle class lifestyle because they arranged notes and played an instrument in a studio two years ago?
That's the whole thing man, you don't have that right. It's an artificial situation created by the lobbying of the record companies. So your whole questioning of "why do I think I have the right" is backasswards. Copyright as a concept was created for the acceleration of ideas coming into the realm of public works. NOT for some long-haired guy to get blowjobs and snort coke cause his face is on a record (which he may or may not have had the talent to make).
Most people have to work for a living, and then there are musicians.
and dont forget that chimp Lieberman. He is another "hold the media responsible for what my kid does" ignoramus. Throw in his ultra-religious displays he will foist on us at every public opportunity, I am actually afraid of a Gore-y presidency.
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AFAIK the most egregious portions of those bills have been removed. But we get closer and closer to the brink every time this oppressive shit comes down to the wire.
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That GPS thing is a little hinky but I'm still waiting for big Bro' to implement an auto-pilot. That way after two pitchers at the pub, I can get home without being FORCED to go home with that old chick who's always at the bar.
"I think at a point we have to say that personal freedom is better than personal safety. Ok, so maybe the FBI would catch a few criminals by doing this. I don't care. I don't like the idea of being secretly watched while I watch a football game. We could monitor everyone from birth with tracers and chips and cut down crime considerably. But is it worth it? Don't think so."
Mod this guy up. He aint bein' a bad boy and so he should get a brownie point for effort.
Besides, he's right. Sir William Blackstone:
"The law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
In what we want to believe is a just society, doesn't this sound like a cornerstone of justice? Don't even get me started on the death penalty!
"Personally, I can't wait until we're able to nab criminals from orbit using high-resolution satellites. Or even better, high-resolution satellites equipped with lasers."
/. readers into criminals..." and disobeying your EULA in Virginia makes you a miscreant of the highest order....
Except when you stop and think that, "Oh, the DMCA makes 50% of
THINK man....
Sir, your boldface sig is infinitely more annoying than Jon Katz
Thank You
Well sir, I think I have exactly what you need right here (except for the X thing, but do you really want text to look like that?).....
http://www.qubit.net/products/orbit.html
it fits all those needs and just happens to run on BeIA as well!
Probably a couple months more before its out and the unbranded/unsubsidized model will cost ya about $799-999 they estimate.
I am seriously considering buying it; I would love to be able to browse the web from my couch rather than my desk.
"you have to admit that they seem to care a whole lot more about the rights and freedoms of individuals."
....EXCEPT when it comes to the freedom to do what you will with your own mind and body......
Hint for the confused:
Drugs, abortion, prayer in schools, art, etc...
well the really funny part is that few free-market zealots realize that it is Government control and interference that keeps corporate leaders from being bankrupted every time they make a boo boo. Not to mention strung up by the angry masses affected by corporate misdeeds.
Unfortunately, the biggest beneficiaries of a economic system that the Libertarian Party envisions would be corporations and the rich, who would continue to become richer at the expense of all else.
Capitalism is working now, the way it is (for corporations.) Why would you want to extend the balance of power even MORE in the way of the well-to-do?
Ahhh but see a system like that which you suggest will not ever even be considered unless we get some real PUBLIC (not corporate) servants in upper government. Bush and Gore are already in the pockets of big business, so a vote for either of them is a vote for the status quo.
Vote Nader if you believe INDIVIDUALS, not corporations, should be empowered and uplifted in America.
Ya know how Bush kept talking about "accountability" in the debates?
Well THAT, my friends, is what Nader wants for corporations....accountability. No, he doesn't want to "destroy corporations" he wants to protect the public from a government-spawned monster that consumes everything in its path in order to profit. Think about it, you budding Libertarians; corporations exist, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT! In this government created organization, the individuals steering and making sometimes very serious decisions that affect thousands or even millions of lives are PROTECTED. 90 people get sick because of the toxins that have seeped into the groundwater near your manufacturing plant? No problem, your corporation *might* (if it gets caught) in a worst case scenario have to pay a 500 million dollar fine. Oh well, no biggie, just put that in your statement at the end of the quarter and it's a tax deduction. And, maybe you wont be able to take *all* the executives to Barbados this summer, just your favorite golf buddies. *shrug*
Corporations do NOT need more freedom.
People do.
Vote Nader.
Well, you question my intelligence and say that I am asleep, and yet you don't even have a name. This doesn't command much respect, and neither does your blurting out dogmatic absolutes.
I referred to my self as libertarian, with an uncapitalized L. However, even if I had said Libertarian, I disagree with your statement vehemently. I espouse many Libertarian ideals as in "do what you want as long as you hurt noone else." I disagree in the areas of social justice and government regulation.
In other words, I like the people stuff, but the business stuff is all a bunch of uber-capitalist bullshit that would leave the public totally unprotected from the greed of corporations. Libertarians try to argue about "the market will make sure they are honest." The thing is, not every corp wants to be in for the long haul. For every IBM, there are at least two or three scams. I refuse to call myself a *L*ibertarian for the same reasons that your typical upper-echelon dot-com stooge or corporate CEO rabidly advocates Libertine ideals.
So you see, Nader more closely meshes with my philosophy, therefore I will vote for him.
you say you don't like the social engineering tendencies of the left?
Well what about the moral engineering tendencies of the right?
My views are libertarian with the exception that government DOES have a place in our society. Regulation of business practices is extremely important to our economic and environmental health, so I am voting for NADER.
Some interesting opinions on Libertarian thinking:k .html
http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JA96/borsoo
"These are the inheritors of the greatest government subsidy of technology and expansion in technical education the planet has ever seen; and, like the ungrateful adolescent offspring of immigrants who have made it in the new country, they take for granted the richness of the environment in which they have flourished, and resent the hell out of the constraints that bind them. And, like privileged, spoiled teenagers everywhere, they haven't a clue what their existence would be like without the bounty showered on them. These high-tech libertarians believe the private sector can do everything -- but, of course, R&D is something that cannot by any short-term measurement meet the test of the marketplace, the libertarians' measure of all things. They decry regulation--except without it, there would be no mechanism to ensure profit from intellectual property, without which entrepreneurs would not get their payoffs, nor would there be equitable marketplaces in which to make their sales."
And it gets even better. Any would-be Libertarians, who havent already made the jump to full-fledged rabid dogma spewing stage, should read this article. If you want to respond, please convince me that you read the article first.
"I hypothesize that Nader wants to keep the middle class right where they are."
Nader is not against the wealthy, he is against social injustice which is often committed by the rich (read: corporations) unto the public.
The Libertarian Party is already eligible for matching federal funds but has refused it in the last two elections. Vote for Nader/the Green Party and you will actually accomplish something. The Libertarian utopian "free market" is really not ever going to happen anyway, and I tend to hope it never does. Check out this salon article: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/10/20/cust omer/index.html
Towards the end it has an interesting theory about the true free market being embodied by, of all things, Napster....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And only fools beleive propaganda.
~
In a free society, what you do with your own chemistry is your business not the government's, teachers', nor well-intentioned naive neighbor's.
Do take drugs! See what interesting things happen. Just remember that you take them because they are fun. You can't live altered all the time....
Balance is much more satisfying.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only punk that matters is Oi! and white power/racialist punk. Skrewdriver, Angry Aryan, Blue Eyed Devils, Pluton Svea, etc. Eat shit, nigger loving kikes"
Dont worry troll, Im not at all upset by your lame attempt to incite the ire of the sensible.
I just wanted to share that I actually laughed outloud at that name... Angry Aryan
heh heh heh
oh and that's not punk. Real punks abhored that race hating bullshit, because that was what OLD people did. The kids didn't have time for that old fart thinking.
And DUB fucking rocks!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Drugs can be dangerous when used to excess or in dangerous combinations. Cars, and even Vitamin C are also dangerous when *AB*used. I have in the past used meth to improve my work output. I never degenerated into a raving junkie, nor did my use become apparent to anyone else (I took extremely small doses.) Good for that after lunch slump. I don't do this anymore because heehee, I work for myself, and on my own terms. Course I'm not getting rich, but that's O.K.
The point is, don't demonize *drugs*. Instead realize that some people do not know how to be personally responsible. With food, t.v., sex, religion, or even drugs.....
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come on Libertaran zealot, why piss on Nader, a guy who has served the public selflessly for decades, just because Harry Browne isn't even on the radar in polls? sour grapes?
BTW, how can you possibly take the "Libertarian Party" seriously? A political party that has the Statue of Liberty as its mascot? That is always quick to bark out that it is "the third largest political party?"
I consider myself a libertarian, but I'd rather be caught dead before calling myself a "Libertarian."
You are wrong about the destined for failure thing....
the number of people paying is definitely going to decrease as time goes on. People often have more than one computer in more than one location, and who wants to pay twice for something they bought?
I think this is actually a great success as an indicator of people's general wish to pay a *fair* price for stuff they download/listen to, etc.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my wife actually knew Il Duce through an old boyfriend who was in the band Dr. Know and from her descriptions of him and footage I have seen, he was a very scary raving lunatic. I would not put it past him to pass out drunk on a railroad track. Probably a good thing too.
Someone has been watching that lame tabloid "documentary" 'Kurt & Courtney' recently eh? Im not a fan of Hole, but don't slander her based on second or ten thousandth hand information.
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I can't help but guess how many of these ACs and new users are trained chimps temporarily hired by the RIAA to come in and flood any popular discussion board where these subjects come up. Of course, there was always dissenting opinion but by far the viewpoint most often posted was anti-copyright (pro-napster, whatever) for a long time. Don't instantly say that I am a sore loser, or that I can't handle opposition or other BS. I'm just wondering.
/.ers put something like that past a "representative trade body" like the RIAA, whose real job is to spew propaganda in the courtroom and in the press, without getting their constiuents' (BMG, Universal, Time-Warner, etc.) hands dirty?
After all, would most
I don't really give a shit about Napster, Inc, but I wince at the plundering of public works that has been occuring for the last decades. Soon, you won't be able to whistle a tune without a nearby automated copyright terminal popping up with a siren prompting you for a 5$ coin. How many years do you give it for this to occur?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Why do people seem to think that they have a right to a middle class lifestyle because they arranged notes and played an instrument in a studio two years ago?
That's the whole thing man, you don't have that right. It's an artificial situation created by the lobbying of the record companies. So your whole questioning of "why do I think I have the right" is backasswards. Copyright as a concept was created for the acceleration of ideas coming into the realm of public works. NOT for some long-haired guy to get blowjobs and snort coke cause his face is on a record (which he may or may not have had the talent to make).
Most people have to work for a living, and then there are musicians.
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and dont forget that chimp Lieberman. He is another "hold the media responsible for what my kid does" ignoramus. Throw in his ultra-religious displays he will foist on us at every public opportunity, I am actually afraid of a Gore-y presidency.
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AFAIK the most egregious portions of those bills have been removed. But we get closer and closer to the brink every time this oppressive shit comes down to the wire.