Agreed. Beta software with zero hardware support partially solves solved problem (no video)!
I like open standards as much as anyone, but the ship already sailed (9 years ago), and there are already open source implementations and quality hardware to support a working (and it works well, at that) protocol.
Spend development resources on something that ISN'T solved.
This is a bit of a problem with open source in general from what I've seen in the past 18 years. No, we don't want a brand new replacement for some half baked media player in our new desktop that does almost the same stuff, with a different UI and different bugs.
As with starting a new thread when forum posting - use the fucking search engine. If a problem is ALREADY SOLVED (even partially, or in progress), then contribute to the existing project and make it better, rather than starting over and reinventing the wheel for the 50th time.
Because Airplay does so much more than UPnP or DLNA. Whether you like apple or not, i can start playback on one device, move it to another mid-steam and not skip a beat. It does video. I can use it to do desktop mirroring.
Whilst nerds on slashdot bitch about "proprietary garbage", real people are actually using and enjoying technology like this that has compatible hardware on the shelf (not just from apple) and actually works.
Developed by apple. Supported by a big list including a bunch of open source implementations. Tell me again how I should give up something that works, screw around wtih beta software that doesn't support the same feature set and potentially re-purchase hardware to operate with this new protocol?
And if your argument is "but Airplay is proprietary!" then try again. Outside of slashdot, very few people in the real world actually care, and are more than willing to pay the couple of dollars per device if require for the functionality.
So is MP3, h.264, Active Directory and GIF. None of those are going away any time soon. You can either accept that and deal with it, or invent a new incompatible and functionally incomplete (no video) standard that nobody uses and thus, nobody will use.
.... not compatible with Airplay = non-starter. Like it or not, there is an absolutely huge Airplay userbase already, and you're quite unlikely to get those users to give up their devices. Personally, I'm not about to go integrating another protocol at home simply to cater to a few open source devices that I don't even own yet.
If they worked with airplay, I might consider them - for those who haven't used it before, it just simply ROCKS to be able to stream audio or video on one device (e.g., AppleTV, then pick up the iPad or iPhone, walk to another room and continue watching (say, while I go grab a drink), then flick back to the TV when I return - totally seamlessly and without losing my place, etc.
Given there are already open source implementations of Airplay out there, I'm not sure what the usage case for this is? It doesn't even look to do video?
Hide the option under about:config if you have to clean up the config UI.
Have you taken on board somebody from Microsoft in recent times who is determined to alienate and destroy your userbase? This isn't the first asshat decision you've made by a long shot in the past 5 years.
No, i'd like to be able to determine what gets to boot on my machine, thanks. i.e., i want secure boot and i want to have the facility to securely install my own keys.
Given that 3.10 is not a release, getting new drivers for 3.10-rcX is better than you can expect with WINDOWS so I'm not sure what your bitch is. When I've upgraded Windows (RELEASE software) I've had driver issues for weeks or months while the vendors catch up. This has happened to me every single OS upgrade in Windows land, save for the jump from Windows 95 to Windows 98.
Having a cry about Nvidia's shitty Linux support for this is a bit off the mark, IMHO. They don't even put drivers out for rc versions of Windows.
Mobile is not necessarily the same market. There are plenty of people (more in fact, as demonstrated by the mobile/tablet market's success) who don't give a crap about desktop PCs any more. The majority of end users can in fact get by without a computer at all for the typical stuff home users do - movies, video chat, email, internet banking and social media.
If MS force developers into metro on the desktop (and users are largely trapped on the Windows platform due to previous application purchases) then those apps will also be available on the tablet.
I'm not saying I agree with the strategy or that it will be successful, it's merely what I believe they are attempting to do.
That said, with the recent announcements of Office support on iPad and Microsoft releasing iOS games, perhaps they've decided they lost the battle and are going to focus more on application development rather than try and win the mobile OS war.
Even if it is better on a tablet, you are excluding the far larger Windows desktop market. Windows desktop app will run on both platforms (desktop vs. metro), including Windows 7 and possibly XP. Surface pro, in fact, Windows 8 on tablet in general is NOT selling at least where I am. The only ones I have seen actually in use, running WIndows 8 are the evaluation units I have in my office right now. In terms of number of units shipped vs. Android or iPad, they're a drop in the ocean.
Even if you pay, it is relatively cheap when you consider the TCO involved with centralised authentication, software availability, support availability, etc.
Even a relatively green guy can set up a multiple site, single sign on Windows domain. Linux? Lol. There is a lot more to the OS "cost" than the per copy licensing fee. And I say that as a unix guy - there are environments where I use and love unix. Corporate desktop, for end users is not one of those places.
Not everything new in Win8 is bad. Its simply that the new things that are good are so incredibly minor and inconsequential vs. the horrendously brain damged design decisions and functionality removal that are bundled with them.
Do I like the new task manager, powershell improvements and file copy dialog? Sure. Will I take metro with it? Hell no.
Having run both Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the same hardware, i was pretty underwhelmed by the performance improvements on Win8 to be honest. Oh sure, there are a few tweaks but nothing that is worth the horrendous brain damage that comes with the new platform. Spend the money you would have spent on Windows 8 on more RAM for your Windows 7 box and you'll be happier.
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DLNA does not support the same feature set as airplay.
Agreed. Beta software with zero hardware support partially solves solved problem (no video)!
I like open standards as much as anyone, but the ship already sailed (9 years ago), and there are already open source implementations and quality hardware to support a working (and it works well, at that) protocol.
Spend development resources on something that ISN'T solved.
This is a bit of a problem with open source in general from what I've seen in the past 18 years. No, we don't want a brand new replacement for some half baked media player in our new desktop that does almost the same stuff, with a different UI and different bugs.
As with starting a new thread when forum posting - use the fucking search engine. If a problem is ALREADY SOLVED (even partially, or in progress), then contribute to the existing project and make it better, rather than starting over and reinventing the wheel for the 50th time.
Because Airplay does so much more than UPnP or DLNA. Whether you like apple or not, i can start playback on one device, move it to another mid-steam and not skip a beat. It does video. I can use it to do desktop mirroring.
Whilst nerds on slashdot bitch about "proprietary garbage", real people are actually using and enjoying technology like this that has compatible hardware on the shelf (not just from apple) and actually works.
Developed by apple. Supported by a big list including a bunch of open source implementations. Tell me again how I should give up something that works, screw around wtih beta software that doesn't support the same feature set and potentially re-purchase hardware to operate with this new protocol?
And if your argument is "but Airplay is proprietary!" then try again. Outside of slashdot, very few people in the real world actually care, and are more than willing to pay the couple of dollars per device if require for the functionality.
So is MP3, h.264, Active Directory and GIF. None of those are going away any time soon. You can either accept that and deal with it, or invent a new incompatible and functionally incomplete (no video) standard that nobody uses and thus, nobody will use.
Except that it's not even an alternative yet, as it doesn't do video...
If they worked with airplay, I might consider them - for those who haven't used it before, it just simply ROCKS to be able to stream audio or video on one device (e.g., AppleTV, then pick up the iPad or iPhone, walk to another room and continue watching (say, while I go grab a drink), then flick back to the TV when I return - totally seamlessly and without losing my place, etc.
Given there are already open source implementations of Airplay out there, I'm not sure what the usage case for this is? It doesn't even look to do video?
You're assuming your device firmware is safe? Cute.
WTF. Seriously, WTF.
Hide the option under about:config if you have to clean up the config UI.
Have you taken on board somebody from Microsoft in recent times who is determined to alienate and destroy your userbase? This isn't the first asshat decision you've made by a long shot in the past 5 years.
No, i'd like to be able to determine what gets to boot on my machine, thanks. i.e., i want secure boot and i want to have the facility to securely install my own keys.
Geeks can just install their own keys.
He's turned tin foil into clothing now?
The people you are protesting about, silly!
err... "Given that 3.10-RCX" is not a release...
Given that 3.10 is not a release, getting new drivers for 3.10-rcX is better than you can expect with WINDOWS so I'm not sure what your bitch is. When I've upgraded Windows (RELEASE software) I've had driver issues for weeks or months while the vendors catch up. This has happened to me every single OS upgrade in Windows land, save for the jump from Windows 95 to Windows 98.
Having a cry about Nvidia's shitty Linux support for this is a bit off the mark, IMHO. They don't even put drivers out for rc versions of Windows.
Metro doesn't do that either. It doesn't scale to the desktop.
Mobile is not necessarily the same market. There are plenty of people (more in fact, as demonstrated by the mobile/tablet market's success) who don't give a crap about desktop PCs any more. The majority of end users can in fact get by without a computer at all for the typical stuff home users do - movies, video chat, email, internet banking and social media.
If MS force developers into metro on the desktop (and users are largely trapped on the Windows platform due to previous application purchases) then those apps will also be available on the tablet.
I'm not saying I agree with the strategy or that it will be successful, it's merely what I believe they are attempting to do.
That said, with the recent announcements of Office support on iPad and Microsoft releasing iOS games, perhaps they've decided they lost the battle and are going to focus more on application development rather than try and win the mobile OS war.
Even if it is better on a tablet, you are excluding the far larger Windows desktop market. Windows desktop app will run on both platforms (desktop vs. metro), including Windows 7 and possibly XP. Surface pro, in fact, Windows 8 on tablet in general is NOT selling at least where I am. The only ones I have seen actually in use, running WIndows 8 are the evaluation units I have in my office right now. In terms of number of units shipped vs. Android or iPad, they're a drop in the ocean.
That. We have 650 desktops spread over 40-50 sites and get by with a couple of helpdesk guys. Windows 7 clients.
Even if you pay, it is relatively cheap when you consider the TCO involved with centralised authentication, software availability, support availability, etc.
Even a relatively green guy can set up a multiple site, single sign on Windows domain. Linux? Lol. There is a lot more to the OS "cost" than the per copy licensing fee. And I say that as a unix guy - there are environments where I use and love unix. Corporate desktop, for end users is not one of those places.
Win32 works. Win32 is cheap. Win32 has the largest collection of software available for it. Metro does not.
Office 2010 and 2013 still run (and will run) on Windows 7.
Given that Windows 8 betas were around long before canonical vomited out unity, I'd say the copying was on the Linux side.
Not everything new in Win8 is bad. Its simply that the new things that are good are so incredibly minor and inconsequential vs. the horrendously brain damged design decisions and functionality removal that are bundled with them.
Do I like the new task manager, powershell improvements and file copy dialog? Sure. Will I take metro with it? Hell no.
Having run both Windows 7 and Windows 8 on the same hardware, i was pretty underwhelmed by the performance improvements on Win8 to be honest. Oh sure, there are a few tweaks but nothing that is worth the horrendous brain damage that comes with the new platform. Spend the money you would have spent on Windows 8 on more RAM for your Windows 7 box and you'll be happier.