Oh and lets see some screencaps of that $100 EeePC Linux running video encoding real time, as I call bullshit. [..] I am seriously doubting you are gonna get over 30FPS unless the "format" you are encoding to would be useless,like 320x240 low res.
Well that just makes you an idiot then. Not just because you think the Atom is too slow, but because you utterly lack context, and couldn't be bothered to go look-up some benchmarks yourself before calling someone a liar...
A fascinating development, but I worry that the applications are limited to delivering bombs. Since the engine doesn't even function below hypersonic speeds, a plane and rocket are necessary to even launch them, and that naturally limits the size.
I don't see why this would be used for bombs. We already have ICBMs, and converting them to cramjets would be expensive, very limited, and unreliable due to the complexity.
Bombs that are dropped from planes don't seem to need additional propulsion other than gravity, even the advanced GPS-guided ones.
And I don't see why you would exclude, say, fighter jets or drones... Whatever method you've got for getting your flying bomb up to hypersonic speeds, will work just fine for an aircraft as well, and aircraft have even more options. JATOs are already common. Unlike a bomb, aircraft could take off with a turbine, climb to altitude, then dive to hypersonic speeds and engage the cramjet, while having the turbine withdraw into the plane's body... Easy enough with a plane, but too complex for smart bombs, and possibly too heavy and complex for even cruise missiles...
The added complexity of multi-stage propulsion is more platical for fewer, larger objects like aircraft. rather than more numerous, smaller, cheaper objects, like bombs.
Maximizing your efficiency means braking as little as possible (bearing in mind that being in a collision is a critical loss of efficiency!) and accelerating gently.
That's true of a conventional vehicle, but NOT a real hybrid. Hyper-milers commonly recommend accelerating as quickly as possible, reaching in excess of the speed limit, and then slowing down or even coasting. so that the engine is maxed-out while it's on, and can then be shut off as soon as possible, and stays off.
Most people and websites do not agree with you. Ask facebook , wikipedia and thousands of others (if not millions).
SQLite is not scalable. MySQL is lightweight and scalable.
Either neither is scalable, or both are scalable... Sites like Facebook can use MySQL because they shard the hell out of it... That works with SQLite, or any other DB just fine. But that's not what people mean when they talk about database scalability...
Postgres has always handled much higher numbers of complex queries per second. Oracle has long been able to cluster up to 16 (IIRC) servers in a multi-master setup. That's scalability...
And Facebook, Twitter, and other similar web services aren't good examples... They all only care to offer low-reliability services. They're happy to take the gamble that your settings might get lost once in a while, or that when a DB server goes out, the most recent "tweets" or "likes" of a few users get lost in the ether. That's a far cry from transaction processing or trading platforms, where losing one record could mean millions of dollars lost, and possibly legal liabilities of several times more.
it being an official state policy makes it distinct from loose groups operating individually
Those loose groups are the ones who form a state, once they've gained critical mass. They didn't wait until they were an official state to start behaving badly. They all started as loose groups.
but as far as I know there is not one with an atheist signature.
You should know better..: A quick search for Atheist Militias:
I ride my bike to pick up my groceries like most sane people.
I'd consider that decidedly INsane. You have fun riding your bike to the grocery store 4 times a week, and waiting in line over and over, just to feed yourself, when one car trip a month would do the job even better. I'd bet YOU are the one producing more carbon dioxide with your horrendously inefficient lifestyle.
Besides that, your story immediately reminds me of the Great Blizzard of 1888, where hundreds of people, mostly in New York, died, because they depended on buying groceries several times a week, just like you.
You're much too quick in proving your ignorance. There are several important ways in which MP2 is superior... in fact, probably in all the places you use MP3...
About the only thing you've said is that Neutron has good format support (for $5)... That's probably true, but it's undeniably true that the UI is horrible. That's not just from my own experience... Here's some quotes from the top 3 reviews on the Play Store right now:
"just totally unmanageable in this interface. It takes forever to do virtually anything."
"The UI isn't easy though so expect to have some difficulty"
"The UI blows chunks. [...] REDICULOUSLY POOR UI and UX."
But why convert it? What are you going to do with it? You are setting the bar pretty low here - many devices would quickly run out of battery power if you ran them for the time necessary to convert even a short video. Is this really a use case for you?
My EeePC advertises 8.5 hours of battery life... While that will be shorter under heavy load, it'll be just fine. And besides that, there's always the option of plugging-in from time to time.
A MacBook Air weighs about 1kg and has a full on i5 or i7 processor.
That's not an 8-year old computer...
I guess it is conceivable that they package an Atom with hardware encoding.
No, that's not necessary at all. We have been doing video encoding (faster than realtime) for many years now. Atom CPUs are more than capable enough to do so.
Android devices should be superior to general purpose devices for capturing raw video, photos, and the like.
How's that? You've got far more file format and other options available on a general purpose computer, including things like converting RAW images from a high-end DSLR camera with all relevant controls.
Phones get used for picture taking and video capture very often ONLY because people have to carry them around all the time anyhow. And the low-res grainy video and photos certainly don't make them look like "superior" options. Tablets certainly don't get used that way a notable amount.
Yeah, but I bet you don't do much video conversion on it!
Not often, but I do, and more importantly, I CAN do it when I want or need to.
The robots are taking our jobs. So what happens? Do we have 3 day work weeks with the same pay? Do we wear capes and tights and ponder the higher arts and philosophy while robot servants take care of our physical needs?
Your physical needs have longs since been taken care of... yet we've still found jobs to do.
You probably spend less than 8% of your income on food. You might spend a lot on housing, but if you leave the most desirable urban areas (which is easy, since you don't have to work) you can find a house almost for free. Free trade has made clothing dirt cheap ($10 shoes, $7 jeans, $1 t-shirts). Increasing automation has reduced the price of a new car to something most of us here on/. could afford from just 1-2 months of work, and innumerable used cars drop that down to 1-2 WEEKS of work.
You're mainly working to pay for a huge house in a dense urban area, insane uncontrolled medical costs, ballooning education costs, an expensive cable TV bill. etc.
Also back in 1980, middle class income people were able to purchase houses in places which nowadays they cannot.
That's an inevitable result of population growth (and rising oil prices), having little or NOTHING to do with salaries. The bulk of the US population is moving dozens of miles south and west every year, and moving more into cities and away from suburbs and rural areas, so property prices in those most desirable locations are positively sky-rocketing, far faster than inflation or anything else.
As blue collar jobs get automated, there will be blue collar workers that are not suited to white collar jobs.
I'm sure you'd have said the same thing about farmers... They won't be suited to factory jobs, will they? Well, apparently at least 90% of them were...
1) Because uploading uncompressed video via 3g, and downloading the encoded result, would take much longer than encoding it locally.
2) I don't want to carry around enough batteries to power your 8 year-old computer, not to mention the device itself...
3) As long as you don't want H.264 video, an ATOM will encode to most other codecs at better than real-time, so there's probably no real bottleneck there.
4) It was just an illustration of where Android and other touch OSes still fall short of being "real computers" even though they're gradually getting more capable.
At this point in time, a $200 netbook computer is not going to be great for content creation.
If the OS is Android, it's going to be pretty close to USELESS for content creation.
Meanwhile, my old ~$100 EeePC running Linux does a pretty good job of it...
I didn't see MPC/Musepack, MPEG-1 Layer II (MP2) in any of those, yet you could play both on an iPod with Rockbox firmware.
They are the highest-quality lossy audio codecs out there, yet there's practically no players on Android that can handle them, and this after we've been freed from the restrictions of hardware players.
Audio format support is pretty great on Android, with the right software. Most players handle PCM audio formats like MP3, OGG, FLAC and WAV, while XMP can handle all of the old MOD, S3M and XM style formats.
That's what I would call horrible support... It's better than hardware devices, like iPods, but only barely...
And there are numerous music player apps for Android, but when the UI completely sucks, I discount them pretty quickly... Winamp / DoubleTwist are good, but their format support is pretty damn limited, particularly if you don't feel like ponying up $20.
Android finally got an X11 implementation, but it took forever. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Android applications are essentially java based, while webOS was more amenable to just porting native Linux apps.
webOS got horribly bungled, as did MeeGo, and others. There's still some hope these days, in the form of Ubuntu Phone, but I'm not holding my breath.
X11 is the wrong solution here. [...] What's a real shame, though, is I don't seem to be able to find an NX app for Android which should be much better than VNC
NX is just a proxy on top of X11. NX requires an X11 implementation. NX for Android doesn't exist, because Android didn't have an X11 server for a long, long time.
The X11 protocol isn't perfect, but as you said with NX, it only takes minor workarounds to fix it, and make it surpass all other proprietary solutions.
Still, when I searched Play there do seem to be some X servers. Just none I have ever tried.
X11 for android was a very recent development, and it's certainly not yet mature.
Android is still more thin client than computer, with lots of blinking lights for the kids... It's pretty great on a phone, where you want to look up simple information and play back your musis, but it's not a real desktop OS.
With Linux installed, I can do all the video and audio encoding I could want, not to mention being able to play back ANY video and audio formats. I can install GIMP and Blender and do high-end 2D and 3D graphics manipulation right on the device, not remote'd into a real computer, and not limited to MSPaint-type image manipulation options, but real work, right on the device.
And Linux is also a better thin client... Android RDP options are famously limited to a single host unless you pay up, and sadly, NX Client still isn't available for Android, so no GUI access to Linux systems.
Anyone want to bet that Microsoft will price themselves right out of the $200 atom market? I'm betting that $200 will be right about the price point for just the OS,
Will NEVER happen. Microsoft will PAY manufacturers to take their OS, should they feel threatened. This is what happened with NetBooks, where XP was given away to stop the flood of cheap Linux netbooks. Manufacturers also got Microsoft advertising dollars in the exchange, to boot, and could get a few dollars more from preloading crapware like Norton/McAfee, so Linux options completely disappeared.
Indeed... And the religion explicitly forbids doing so. Not to mention that it's also obviously NOT a case of one religion feeling justified in killing another.
So, everyone wants to point to every religious extremist who killed people... But where's the list of people who decided NOT to go out murdering people, because their religious beliefs forbid it?
This is not about religion, but about the placebo effect in a new area. Fits right here,
The placebo effect has been studied and discussed ad-museum, so I don't see what this is going to add. In addition,/. is generally a technology site, with a bit of lower-level science thrown-in... We certainly don't see psychology stories on a daily basis.
I maintain my assertion that this story was posted just to start a religion flamewar. And the comments that have since piled-up certainly don't disprove my statement.
The difference is that religious use religion as the *reason*,
You want to assert that religion causes atrocities (against other religions). Perhaps...
However, I'd firmly assert that religion has also PREVENTED untold numbers of atrocities (that atheists might have perpetrated, whether for cultural, racial, financial, or other reasons), because the intended victim was the same religion as the potential perpetrator.
Certainly this is observable with Muslims right now. Terrorists claim they are performing Jihad, while most clerics denounce their behavior, and undermine their claim of justification by pointing out that Jihad is forbidden if it kills other Muslims in the process...
No true follower of the man who said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" would tie a gay teenager to a fence and throw rocks at his head until he died.
The Old Testament certainly says, quite literally, that you should kill homosexuals.
As for the New Testament, one could easily dismiss Jesus' compassion and forgiveness as being a one-time exception, and not an instruction to completely dismiss what the old book very explicitly said you should do.
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I forgot to turn on threading... -lavcopts threads=2 increases encoding performance to: 86.27fps
Well that just makes you an idiot then. Not just because you think the Atom is too slow, but because you utterly lack context, and couldn't be bothered to go look-up some benchmarks yourself before calling someone a liar...
$ mencoder test1.avi -o test2.avi -nosound -ovc lavc
MEncoder SVN-r31628-4.4.6 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
success: format: 0 data: 0x0 - 0x2c97f1ee
AVI file format detected.
[aviheader] Video stream found, -vid 0
[aviheader] Audio stream found, -aid 1
VIDEO: [XVID] 720x352 24bpp 23.976 fps 934.7 kbps (114.1 kbyte/s)
[V] filefmt:3 fourcc:0x44495658 size:720x352 fps:23.976 ftime:=0.0417
Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
Movie-Aspect is 2.43:1 - prescaling to correct movie aspect..000 [0:0]
videocodec: libavcodec (720x352 fourcc=34504d46 [FMP4])
Writing header...2f ( 0%) 0.00fps Trem: 0min 0mb A-V:0.000 [0:0]
Pos: 314.4s 7539f ( 4%) 71.63fps Trem: 34min 606mb A-V:0.000 [776:0]]
1 duplicate frame(s)!
Pos:5811.8s 139344f (99%) 71.84fps Trem: 0min 554mb A-V:0.000 [798:0]
Flushing video frames.
Writing index...
Writing header...
Video stream: 798.788 kbit/s (99848 B/s) size: 580295797 bytes 5811.764 secs 139344 frames
$ head /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 28
model name : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
stepping : 2
cpu MHz : 1600.000
cache size : 512 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
I don't see why this would be used for bombs. We already have ICBMs, and converting them to cramjets would be expensive, very limited, and unreliable due to the complexity.
Bombs that are dropped from planes don't seem to need additional propulsion other than gravity, even the advanced GPS-guided ones.
And I don't see why you would exclude, say, fighter jets or drones... Whatever method you've got for getting your flying bomb up to hypersonic speeds, will work just fine for an aircraft as well, and aircraft have even more options. JATOs are already common. Unlike a bomb, aircraft could take off with a turbine, climb to altitude, then dive to hypersonic speeds and engage the cramjet, while having the turbine withdraw into the plane's body... Easy enough with a plane, but too complex for smart bombs, and possibly too heavy and complex for even cruise missiles...
The added complexity of multi-stage propulsion is more platical for fewer, larger objects like aircraft. rather than more numerous, smaller, cheaper objects, like bombs.
That's true of a conventional vehicle, but NOT a real hybrid. Hyper-milers commonly recommend accelerating as quickly as possible, reaching in excess of the speed limit, and then slowing down or even coasting. so that the engine is maxed-out while it's on, and can then be shut off as soon as possible, and stays off.
Either neither is scalable, or both are scalable... Sites like Facebook can use MySQL because they shard the hell out of it... That works with SQLite, or any other DB just fine. But that's not what people mean when they talk about database scalability...
Postgres has always handled much higher numbers of complex queries per second. Oracle has long been able to cluster up to 16 (IIRC) servers in a multi-master setup. That's scalability...
And Facebook, Twitter, and other similar web services aren't good examples... They all only care to offer low-reliability services. They're happy to take the gamble that your settings might get lost once in a while, or that when a DB server goes out, the most recent "tweets" or "likes" of a few users get lost in the ether. That's a far cry from transaction processing or trading platforms, where losing one record could mean millions of dollars lost, and possibly legal liabilities of several times more.
Those loose groups are the ones who form a state, once they've gained critical mass. They didn't wait until they were an official state to start behaving badly. They all started as loose groups.
You should know better..: A quick search for Atheist Militias:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_atheism
I'd consider that decidedly INsane. You have fun riding your bike to the grocery store 4 times a week, and waiting in line over and over, just to feed yourself, when one car trip a month would do the job even better. I'd bet YOU are the one producing more carbon dioxide with your horrendously inefficient lifestyle.
Besides that, your story immediately reminds me of the Great Blizzard of 1888, where hundreds of people, mostly in New York, died, because they depended on buying groceries several times a week, just like you.
You're much too quick in proving your ignorance. There are several important ways in which MP2 is superior... in fact, probably in all the places you use MP3...
About the only thing you've said is that Neutron has good format support (for $5)... That's probably true, but it's undeniably true that the UI is horrible. That's not just from my own experience... Here's some quotes from the top 3 reviews on the Play Store right now:
"just totally unmanageable in this interface. It takes forever to do virtually anything."
"The UI isn't easy though so expect to have some difficulty"
"The UI blows chunks. [...] REDICULOUSLY POOR UI and UX."
My EeePC advertises 8.5 hours of battery life... While that will be shorter under heavy load, it'll be just fine. And besides that, there's always the option of plugging-in from time to time.
That's not an 8-year old computer...
No, that's not necessary at all. We have been doing video encoding (faster than realtime) for many years now. Atom CPUs are more than capable enough to do so.
How's that? You've got far more file format and other options available on a general purpose computer, including things like converting RAW images from a high-end DSLR camera with all relevant controls.
Phones get used for picture taking and video capture very often ONLY because people have to carry them around all the time anyhow. And the low-res grainy video and photos certainly don't make them look like "superior" options. Tablets certainly don't get used that way a notable amount.
Not often, but I do, and more importantly, I CAN do it when I want or need to.
Your physical needs have longs since been taken care of... yet we've still found jobs to do.
You probably spend less than 8% of your income on food. You might spend a lot on housing, but if you leave the most desirable urban areas (which is easy, since you don't have to work) you can find a house almost for free. Free trade has made clothing dirt cheap ($10 shoes, $7 jeans, $1 t-shirts). Increasing automation has reduced the price of a new car to something most of us here on /. could afford from just 1-2 months of work, and innumerable used cars drop that down to 1-2 WEEKS of work.
You're mainly working to pay for a huge house in a dense urban area, insane uncontrolled medical costs, ballooning education costs, an expensive cable TV bill. etc.
That's an inevitable result of population growth (and rising oil prices), having little or NOTHING to do with salaries. The bulk of the US population is moving dozens of miles south and west every year, and moving more into cities and away from suburbs and rural areas, so property prices in those most desirable locations are positively sky-rocketing, far faster than inflation or anything else.
I'm sure you'd have said the same thing about farmers... They won't be suited to factory jobs, will they? Well, apparently at least 90% of them were...
1) Because uploading uncompressed video via 3g, and downloading the encoded result, would take much longer than encoding it locally.
2) I don't want to carry around enough batteries to power your 8 year-old computer, not to mention the device itself...
3) As long as you don't want H.264 video, an ATOM will encode to most other codecs at better than real-time, so there's probably no real bottleneck there.
4) It was just an illustration of where Android and other touch OSes still fall short of being "real computers" even though they're gradually getting more capable.
If the OS is Android, it's going to be pretty close to USELESS for content creation.
Meanwhile, my old ~$100 EeePC running Linux does a pretty good job of it...
I didn't see MPC/Musepack, MPEG-1 Layer II (MP2) in any of those, yet you could play both on an iPod with Rockbox firmware.
They are the highest-quality lossy audio codecs out there, yet there's practically no players on Android that can handle them, and this after we've been freed from the restrictions of hardware players.
That's what I would call horrible support... It's better than hardware devices, like iPods, but only barely...
Where's Musepack/MPC? Where's MPEG-1 LayerII audio? Where's AC3?
And there are numerous music player apps for Android, but when the UI completely sucks, I discount them pretty quickly... Winamp / DoubleTwist are good, but their format support is pretty damn limited, particularly if you don't feel like ponying up $20.
Android finally got an X11 implementation, but it took forever. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that Android applications are essentially java based, while webOS was more amenable to just porting native Linux apps.
webOS got horribly bungled, as did MeeGo, and others. There's still some hope these days, in the form of Ubuntu Phone, but I'm not holding my breath.
NX is just a proxy on top of X11. NX requires an X11 implementation. NX for Android doesn't exist, because Android didn't have an X11 server for a long, long time.
The X11 protocol isn't perfect, but as you said with NX, it only takes minor workarounds to fix it, and make it surpass all other proprietary solutions.
X11 for android was a very recent development, and it's certainly not yet mature.
Android is still more thin client than computer, with lots of blinking lights for the kids... It's pretty great on a phone, where you want to look up simple information and play back your musis, but it's not a real desktop OS.
With Linux installed, I can do all the video and audio encoding I could want, not to mention being able to play back ANY video and audio formats. I can install GIMP and Blender and do high-end 2D and 3D graphics manipulation right on the device, not remote'd into a real computer, and not limited to MSPaint-type image manipulation options, but real work, right on the device.
And Linux is also a better thin client... Android RDP options are famously limited to a single host unless you pay up, and sadly, NX Client still isn't available for Android, so no GUI access to Linux systems.
Will NEVER happen. Microsoft will PAY manufacturers to take their OS, should they feel threatened. This is what happened with NetBooks, where XP was given away to stop the flood of cheap Linux netbooks. Manufacturers also got Microsoft advertising dollars in the exchange, to boot, and could get a few dollars more from preloading crapware like Norton/McAfee, so Linux options completely disappeared.
Indeed... And the religion explicitly forbids doing so. Not to mention that it's also obviously NOT a case of one religion feeling justified in killing another.
So, everyone wants to point to every religious extremist who killed people... But where's the list of people who decided NOT to go out murdering people, because their religious beliefs forbid it?
I can assure you, I have a perfectly heathy ego, but thanks for the concern.
The placebo effect has been studied and discussed ad-museum, so I don't see what this is going to add. In addition, /. is generally a technology site, with a bit of lower-level science thrown-in... We certainly don't see psychology stories on a daily basis.
I maintain my assertion that this story was posted just to start a religion flamewar. And the comments that have since piled-up certainly don't disprove my statement.
I'm sure there have been innumerable such cases, though they tend to fall on racial or cultural lines, since what you believe isn't terribly visible.
Certainly, there have been several atheistic states throughout history that have executed any and all of those who were caught practicing religion.
You want to assert that religion causes atrocities (against other religions). Perhaps...
However, I'd firmly assert that religion has also PREVENTED untold numbers of atrocities (that atheists might have perpetrated, whether for cultural, racial, financial, or other reasons), because the intended victim was the same religion as the potential perpetrator.
Certainly this is observable with Muslims right now. Terrorists claim they are performing Jihad, while most clerics denounce their behavior, and undermine their claim of justification by pointing out that Jihad is forbidden if it kills other Muslims in the process...
The Old Testament certainly says, quite literally, that you should kill homosexuals.
As for the New Testament, one could easily dismiss Jesus' compassion and forgiveness as being a one-time exception, and not an instruction to completely dismiss what the old book very explicitly said you should do.
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