You will excuse me if I do not shed a tear for the CEOs of the auto companies who suffered hardship due to being forced to be good citizens. What did they have to give up? One of a dozen mansions? A new plane? Awww, cry me a river. Meanwhile, a few middle class workers get to hold on to the American dream by the skin of their teeth, and they, not the greedy bastards who are stealing all the wealth of the country, are to blame. Do you have economic Stockholm Syndrome? Because it sounds like you identify with your captors.
Within the last 40 years, nearly all the gains in productivity have gone to the top 1%. The middle class has barely broken even. The poor have gotten poorer. I doubt the top 1% are actually responsible for those productivity gains, in fact I'm pretty sure the rest of us did the lion's share of the work. But we got shafted instead of getting rich, with a tiny minority harvesting all the fruits of our labors.
You haven't been looking very hard, have you? Some of the most sensible laws in the country have come out of California, as well as some of the most nonsensical. That's what you get with citizen initiatives.
Sounds like you have a nice anecdote there. I'm sure your personal experience in this one instance can be applied to all unions, everywhere, for all time.
Nah, they aren't ultra liberal AT ALL. They are pseudo-liberal centrists in most areas, but economically, they are very conservative. How do you think they got all their money? It wasn't by helping the poor.
Awww, U jelly? When people stick together, they can keep from being pushed around. Maybe you like being pushed around, but I don't. Even so, union workers have lost jobs, and suffered reduced pay and hours, just like everyone else. Why blame the people who stood up for their meager middle class pay? Why not blame the greedy bastards at the top?
Right. You just heard about the evils of the UAW from totally unbiased sources. No business interests push propaganda on YOU.
spun, you are a mindless troll, and I'll call you out on it every time I see your bullshit.
The UAW is badnewsbears, through and through. Anyone who has dealt with them knows this. Anyone who has seen the work ethic of the employees they represent knows this.
Posting as AC because you and your alt accounts routinely mod my shit down.
I look forward to your presentation of proof, which I am sure is forthcoming.
Yes, I've heard business interests pushing that line before, "It's not just us, EVERYONE hates unions!" Thanks for providing an example of the type of propaganda I was talking about.
I used to do network security for a non-profit medical marijuana club in San Francisco. I can tell you that even one four hundred watt light, the bare minimum you could possibly use, would use a lot of electricity. You keep it on 24/7 for 2-3 weeks, then step down to 12/7 over the course of a week or two, and run at 12/7 for three months. A more typical setup would be four one thousand watt lights. Your electric bill would average over $800 a month for that.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense when you think about it, but these are stoner hippies we're talking about. They tend to be a little paranoid.
Besides, you can always cover your tracks by purchasing an electric kiln and running your own 'pottery business.' While such a business might use roughly the same amount of electricity overall, it would have a very different duty cycle from grow lights.
If you're sucking down a heavy amount of juice from the grid to power your grow lamps, it'll show up on a regular meter. Would the smart meters really provide any additional useful information to our brave Drug Warriors?
That doesn't matter, what matters is what the growers think it will do.
Marin Country holds a special kind of stupid. Nobody is as stupid as a rich, privileged person who thinks they are members of the counter-culture. Marin Country is full of that kind of person. San Francisco bankers and ad agency execs who think they are hip and cool because they work in San Francisco. Ex military industrial complex finks from southern California who got laid off by Reagan and found New Age spirituality. Huckster Gurus with an online degree from Spiritual American University. Marin is full of shallow people who think they are better, smarter, and closer to God than the average American.
You think the unions want to keep meter readers in business? It wouldn't be unprecedented, we still have fire-tenders on electric trains. But I'd like to see some evidence. There is a very, very strong push by business interests to smear unions going on right now.
1. Doesn't matter, the laws against theft apply to commercial enterprises as well. 2. A casino does not invite people to cheat at their slot machines, and socially engineer their staff to reset variables on their slot machines. 3. Cheating is cheating. No one invited the man to cheat. He knew what he was doing was wrong. He hired people to distract the staff. This was illegal, and immoral on his part.
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That isn't progress, though. Those are examples of conservative and fascist policies.
You will excuse me if I do not shed a tear for the CEOs of the auto companies who suffered hardship due to being forced to be good citizens. What did they have to give up? One of a dozen mansions? A new plane? Awww, cry me a river. Meanwhile, a few middle class workers get to hold on to the American dream by the skin of their teeth, and they, not the greedy bastards who are stealing all the wealth of the country, are to blame. Do you have economic Stockholm Syndrome? Because it sounds like you identify with your captors.
Within the last 40 years, nearly all the gains in productivity have gone to the top 1%. The middle class has barely broken even. The poor have gotten poorer. I doubt the top 1% are actually responsible for those productivity gains, in fact I'm pretty sure the rest of us did the lion's share of the work. But we got shafted instead of getting rich, with a tiny minority harvesting all the fruits of our labors.
Yeah, but just try getting Ofcom to stir from their sleepy comfort for anything that doesn't make them money.
He's a LIMEY! Get him!
You haven't been looking very hard, have you? Some of the most sensible laws in the country have come out of California, as well as some of the most nonsensical. That's what you get with citizen initiatives.
Real people like who, exactly? So far, it's just you and your stories. Not a lot of hard data there.
You forgot to multiply by the duty cycle, so, no.
Sounds like you have a nice anecdote there. I'm sure your personal experience in this one instance can be applied to all unions, everywhere, for all time.
Nah, they aren't ultra liberal AT ALL. They are pseudo-liberal centrists in most areas, but economically, they are very conservative. How do you think they got all their money? It wasn't by helping the poor.
You will still have characteristic twelve hour power spikes.
Your imagination sounds like a very interesting place. Is there a war going on there? Is someone fighting?
You know what I like about progressives? All the progress we've achieved.
Awww, U jelly? When people stick together, they can keep from being pushed around. Maybe you like being pushed around, but I don't. Even so, union workers have lost jobs, and suffered reduced pay and hours, just like everyone else. Why blame the people who stood up for their meager middle class pay? Why not blame the greedy bastards at the top?
Right. You just heard about the evils of the UAW from totally unbiased sources. No business interests push propaganda on YOU.
spun, you are a mindless troll, and I'll call you out on it every time I see your bullshit.
The UAW is badnewsbears, through and through.
Anyone who has dealt with them knows this.
Anyone who has seen the work ethic of the employees they represent knows this.
Posting as AC because you and your alt accounts routinely mod my shit down.
I look forward to your presentation of proof, which I am sure is forthcoming.
So, you're familiar with where my information comes from all on your own? Maybe you should apply for that $1MM psychic challenge.
I never claimed I knew, but now that you mention it, where does it come from?
A long time ago? Okay, I guess I'm getting old, the last time I rode Amtrak was 1991, and they had a fire-tender. He was basically a security guard.
Yes, I've heard business interests pushing that line before, "It's not just us, EVERYONE hates unions!" Thanks for providing an example of the type of propaganda I was talking about.
I used to do network security for a non-profit medical marijuana club in San Francisco. I can tell you that even one four hundred watt light, the bare minimum you could possibly use, would use a lot of electricity. You keep it on 24/7 for 2-3 weeks, then step down to 12/7 over the course of a week or two, and run at 12/7 for three months. A more typical setup would be four one thousand watt lights. Your electric bill would average over $800 a month for that.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense when you think about it, but these are stoner hippies we're talking about. They tend to be a little paranoid.
Besides, you can always cover your tracks by purchasing an electric kiln and running your own 'pottery business.' While such a business might use roughly the same amount of electricity overall, it would have a very different duty cycle from grow lights.
Ah, I see you've heard the propaganda I mentioned.
If you're sucking down a heavy amount of juice from the grid to power your grow lamps, it'll show up on a regular meter. Would the smart meters really provide any additional useful information to our brave Drug Warriors?
That doesn't matter, what matters is what the growers think it will do.
Marin Country holds a special kind of stupid. Nobody is as stupid as a rich, privileged person who thinks they are members of the counter-culture. Marin Country is full of that kind of person. San Francisco bankers and ad agency execs who think they are hip and cool because they work in San Francisco. Ex military industrial complex finks from southern California who got laid off by Reagan and found New Age spirituality. Huckster Gurus with an online degree from Spiritual American University. Marin is full of shallow people who think they are better, smarter, and closer to God than the average American.
Right. You just heard about the evils of the UAW from totally unbiased sources. No business interests push propaganda on YOU.
You think the unions want to keep meter readers in business? It wouldn't be unprecedented, we still have fire-tenders on electric trains. But I'd like to see some evidence. There is a very, very strong push by business interests to smear unions going on right now.
Could be the real reason for those privacy concerns, and more power to them.
1. Doesn't matter, the laws against theft apply to commercial enterprises as well.
2. A casino does not invite people to cheat at their slot machines, and socially engineer their staff to reset variables on their slot machines.
3. Cheating is cheating. No one invited the man to cheat. He knew what he was doing was wrong. He hired people to distract the staff. This was illegal, and immoral on his part.