FU. Take you noise to another site, leave. You tried all the channels and you can get your way? too bad. That doesn't mean you can pollute it for other people.
It's a web site. Of all the thing you want to expend energy on, for some reason the slashdot beta ranks at the top?
This is just phase one of there plan. Phase three is set to do 20,000 MW of grid generated, 2000 MW of off grid generation, and 20 million sq. mt. of solar collectors.
" The underlying assumption there is "perhaps it's not cost effective, except that forcefully taking someone's paycheck has no cost, so any tax money used is magical free money that can turn a bad idea into a good idea"."
incorrect. Typical libertarian unable to think deep or practical about anything statement.
IT's about getting a start to something new. IT's about market penetration. The most cost effective plan in the world doesn't matter if the current layer and market forces don't allow it to play in the market
"If it's not cost effective, it's not, period" You can say period all you want, that doesn't make it true.
You should also consider the cost of not using clean power, and the current hydrocarbon using plants don't have to pay for the majority of their mess.
"does not magically make it cost effective." Doesn't mean it's not either. At the end, how much in total did it cost the tax payers vs what they would have paid other wise Just for clarification, tax money is not your money. It's societies money.
It's complex, and there are a lot of factors. IF you can't understand, or be bothered to look at the complexities, that fine, just stop spouting your simplistic crap.
Fuel tat we could be using. The waste from a new technology plant using the previous plants 'waste' would return the back ground radiation level in 200-500 years.
So maybe we should build some of those. Creates energy, and deals with the long term wast issue.
Most fossil fuels basically get a pass on there waste costs.
"low and intermediate level nuclear waste " Just so we know what that means:
Low level waste (LLW) is generated from hospitals and industry, as well as the nuclear fuel cycle. Low-level wastes include paper, rags, tools, clothing, filters, and other materials which contain small amounts of mostly short-lived radioactivity. Materials that originate from any region of an Active Area are commonly designated as LLW as a precautionary measure even if there is only a remote possibility of being contaminated with radioactive materials. Such LLW typically exhibits no higher radioactivity than one would expect from the same material disposed of in a non-active area, such as a normal office block. Some high-activity LLW requires shielding during handling and transport but most LLW is suitable for shallow land burial. To reduce its volume, it is often compacted or incinerated before disposal. Low-level waste is divided into four classes: class A, class B, class C, and Greater Than Class C (GTCC). Intermediate-level waste[edit]
Intermediate-level waste (ILW) contains higher amounts of radioactivity and in general require shielding, but not cooling.[30] Intermediate-level wastes includes resins, chemical sludge and metal nuclear fuel cladding, as well as contaminated materials from reactor decommissioning. It may be solidified in concrete or bitumen for disposal. As a general rule, short-lived waste (mainly non-fuel materials from reactors) is buried in shallow repositories, while long-lived waste (from fuel and fuel reprocessing) is deposited in geological repository. U.S. regulations do not define this category of waste; the term is used in Europe and elsewhere.
No, it isn't bullshit. If it is replacing power the would only be needed during the hottest part of that day would require 4 nuclear plants.
Part of the plan is solar thermal;which cna be a 24 hour power source. I don't know why the article doesn't mention those. Anyways, your ire is confusing.
It's not like India doesn't also have a thorium nuclear program. I am pro nuclear, but less nuclear and more solar is a good thing. Using them together is a smart thing.
Because low educated superstitious louts can't be trusted to take care of them, or at least not destroy them. This goes for anyplace with low education superstitious louts, not just India
wrong. Maybe you should read the report? Best case 220 mm, worse case 500mm
Where the hell are you getting 1 meter from?
Just so you know, event happening have been closer to worse case then best case, in general.
And do you really think it won't effect you much just becasue you don't live in a city below sea level(of which there will be any more in the next 85 years.
All those people will move, to where you are at. Infrastructure rices will increase faster then tax base growth.
That is why we, society, should be spending money now. Because it will be cheaper and spread out of a longer period. Or we wait until it's critical and deal the the much., much more expensive situation.
You don't live on an island. You, one way or another, use port cities.
" for 100 years or more with inadequate dikes " I agree. Sadly dykes aren't free.
NO it hasn't. Geez, 1 article form 2005, and it doesn't measure mass; which has been declining. I will admit, that was one of the better attempts at cherry picking. It's been loosing more mass then gaining: http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessm...
really, what is your problem? The science is sound. I wonder, do you know the science? i mean, you seem to cherry pick the predictions of the science, but do you know even the basics of the science?
In the case of basal sliding, the entire glacier slides over its bed. This type of motion is enhanced if the bed is soft sediment, if the glacier bed is thawed and if meltwater is prevalent.
It's the FASTER melting that causing the increase of speed. You do understand this is about increased melting, right?
She wants to be a game programmer. We try to get her into all the program we can to support that, after school programs and non school weekend programs. as for math, that teacher pretty much destroyed her interest. I'm slowly trying to bring her around.
As a point of note, she has Asperger's syndrome (high level) so once she is set in something(I'm no good at math) it's takes a lot of time to get her to warm up to it. Her teacher was one of the very few people I ever met that I would have taken a baseball bat to if it were not for the fact I wouldn't be able to support my family. And no, I am not proud of having that avenue of thought.
which would solve the;problem; which is boys and girls are directed away from certain fields and a young age. If that wasn't happening to the degree it is, and we still have a gender disparity, then you would have a point.
I actually follow the latest neurological events and studies.And it is a myth. There is no demarcation among gender in how the brain works. Ragini Verma is a mathematician. She that study is outside her expertise, and she isn't a neurologist.
The study come down to an interpretation of radiologist pictures. It's a horrible 'study' and , at best, might indicate more studying be required.
Never, ever, link a science study to me you don't understand or haven't read. I will hand you your ass on a Bayesian platter.
" I have yet to really meet any of these people, but they must be absolutely everywhere" good for you. I have seen it in teachers, I've seen it in religious circles, I've seen it in the media. Frankly. you must just not be paying attention. I didn't use to then my daughter started having issues at school. I went to talk to her teachers, and a couple of them said those specific words. Then I started paying closer attention. Obviously looking for something means you will find it, so I am very careful to take note when it's something that can be interpreted the way I see it, or actually words that are said.
"That somehow men and women only populate the fields of interests and careers they do, because of big meanies imposing sexist and genderist constructs upon them during their formative years?" Let me be clear on what I am saying. I'll try to use small words, since you are bent on twisting what I say:
There is a myth that girls and boys are hard wired in different and specific ways. We need to stop with that myth becasue it removes options from kids. If a kid is told repeatedly they are able to do certain kinds of work, and they are also getting the confirmation from adults, they are far less likely to take up those fields.
And yes, this happens to boys as well. As a person anecdote(yeah yeah) I took archery and self defense in high school instead of baseball and football. I was told by teachers that self defense and archery are for girls, and boy play football and baseball. I took it anyways, but almost every other boy ended up dropping it and changing .
I see this still happening in PE, and culinary courses at my sons high school. It's pretty blantent,
"are the current programs making things better or worse"
except voter , for the most part, only get there info from an echo chamber.
By every measure we have, thing have gotten better in the use since 2009. Yet people tlak like things are worse. Stocks, high, unemployment, down, and so on.
easy to say, hard to do when you know that there lackeys will respond by killing your kids and family. Possible your entire group. 'Yeah, I got's gun. I fix everything' sure looks good on paper, rarely works. I blame action movies for this stupid silver bullet mentality...also werewolves.
Yeah, community where people have multiple wives and then children will have serious genetic issues in just a couple of generations. So there is a reason for not allowing it.
". Our current president is the most conservative president our country has ever had, " well, there it is. The stupidest statement on slashdot to date.
" but don't complain about what the politicians are doing if you take no part in selecting them." why not? I don't remember reading where not voting means your opinions on what they are doing are invalid.
"Men and women have differently wired brains, more news at 11." That. Is. False. Stop propagating that myth. Young girls get told that lie, then believe it and don't go into STEM becasue "they aren't wired for it"
"Anyways why is it such a "social problem" that they aren't interested? " That's not the problem, the problem is there are directed away from it, usually by idiots saying things like "Men and women have differently wired brains"
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FU. Take you noise to another site, leave. You tried all the channels and you can get your way? too bad. That doesn't mean you can pollute it for other people.
It's a web site. Of all the thing you want to expend energy on, for some reason the slashdot beta ranks at the top?
Shew, fly!
Good bye.
This is just phase one of there plan. Phase three is set to do 20,000 MW of grid generated, 2000 MW of off grid generation, and 20 million sq. mt. of solar collectors.
SO, yes a big step. http://mnre.gov.in/file-manage...
" The underlying assumption there is "perhaps it's not cost effective, except that forcefully taking someone's paycheck has no cost, so any tax money used is magical free money that can turn a bad idea into a good idea"."
incorrect. Typical libertarian unable to think deep or practical about anything statement.
IT's about getting a start to something new. IT's about market penetration. The most cost effective plan in the world doesn't matter if the current layer and market forces don't allow it to play in the market
"If it's not cost effective, it's not, period"
You can say period all you want, that doesn't make it true.
You should also consider the cost of not using clean power, and the current hydrocarbon using plants don't have to pay for the majority of their mess.
"does not magically make it cost effective."
Doesn't mean it's not either. At the end, how much in total did it cost the tax payers vs what they would have paid other wise
Just for clarification, tax money is not your money. It's societies money.
It's complex, and there are a lot of factors. IF you can't understand, or be bothered to look at the complexities, that fine, just stop spouting your simplistic crap.
But it isn't just PV, at least according to the plan. I have no idea why the article doesn't mention that, is ST isn't happening, then why the change?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...
Fuel tat we could be using.
The waste from a new technology plant using the previous plants 'waste' would return the back ground radiation level in 200-500 years.
So maybe we should build some of those. Creates energy, and deals with the long term wast issue.
Most fossil fuels basically get a pass on there waste costs.
"low and intermediate level nuclear waste "
Just so we know what that means:
Low level waste (LLW) is generated from hospitals and industry, as well as the nuclear fuel cycle. Low-level wastes include paper, rags, tools, clothing, filters, and other materials which contain small amounts of mostly short-lived radioactivity. Materials that originate from any region of an Active Area are commonly designated as LLW as a precautionary measure even if there is only a remote possibility of being contaminated with radioactive materials. Such LLW typically exhibits no higher radioactivity than one would expect from the same material disposed of in a non-active area, such as a normal office block.
Some high-activity LLW requires shielding during handling and transport but most LLW is suitable for shallow land burial. To reduce its volume, it is often compacted or incinerated before disposal. Low-level waste is divided into four classes: class A, class B, class C, and Greater Than Class C (GTCC).
Intermediate-level waste[edit]
Intermediate-level waste (ILW) contains higher amounts of radioactivity and in general require shielding, but not cooling.[30] Intermediate-level wastes includes resins, chemical sludge and metal nuclear fuel cladding, as well as contaminated materials from reactor decommissioning. It may be solidified in concrete or bitumen for disposal. As a general rule, short-lived waste (mainly non-fuel materials from reactors) is buried in shallow repositories, while long-lived waste (from fuel and fuel reprocessing) is deposited in geological repository. U.S. regulations do not define this category of waste; the term is used in Europe and elsewhere.
No, it isn't bullshit. If it is replacing power the would only be needed during the hottest part of that day would require 4 nuclear plants.
Part of the plan is solar thermal;which cna be a 24 hour power source. I don't know why the article doesn't mention those.
Anyways, your ire is confusing.
It's not like India doesn't also have a thorium nuclear program.
I am pro nuclear, but less nuclear and more solar is a good thing. Using them together is a smart thing.
Because low educated superstitious louts can't be trusted to take care of them, or at least not destroy them.
This goes for anyplace with low education superstitious louts, not just India
wrong. Maybe you should read the report?
Best case 220 mm, worse case 500mm
Where the hell are you getting 1 meter from?
Just so you know, event happening have been closer to worse case then best case, in general.
And do you really think it won't effect you much just becasue you don't live in a city below sea level(of which there will be any more in the next 85 years.
All those people will move, to where you are at. Infrastructure rices will increase faster then tax base growth.
That is why we, society, should be spending money now. Because it will be cheaper and spread out of a longer period.
Or we wait until it's critical and deal the the much., much more expensive situation.
You don't live on an island. You, one way or another, use port cities.
" for 100 years or more with inadequate dikes "
I agree. Sadly dykes aren't free.
No it isn't. why the hell would you say that? This article talks about it
the amplified green house effect is EVERYWHERE we look.
NO it hasn't. Geez, 1 article form 2005, and it doesn't measure mass; which has been declining.
I will admit, that was one of the better attempts at cherry picking.
It's been loosing more mass then gaining:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessm...
really, what is your problem? The science is sound. I wonder, do you know the science? i mean, you seem to cherry pick the predictions of the science, but do you know even the basics of the science?
In the case of basal sliding, the entire glacier slides over its bed. This type of motion is enhanced if the bed is soft sediment, if the glacier bed is thawed and if meltwater is prevalent.
It's the FASTER melting that causing the increase of speed.
You do understand this is about increased melting, right?
And their you are. well done, you fuck twad.
The internet is grown up, how about you give it a try?
I joined a union and have a contract that pays overtime. It is surprising how many late night calls can suddenly wait till morning.
1) That's a small % of STEM jobs.
2) That depend on you interest. Scientists, MDs, and anyone in the STEM field that is a contractor
Yes, we do need to address those issue. But as soon as you get a group of people together to address them, the any union crazies come out.
She wants to be a game programmer. We try to get her into all the program we can to support that, after school programs and non school weekend programs.
as for math, that teacher pretty much destroyed her interest. I'm slowly trying to bring her around.
As a point of note, she has Asperger's syndrome (high level) so once she is set in something(I'm no good at math) it's takes a lot of time to get her to warm up to it.
Her teacher was one of the very few people I ever met that I would have taken a baseball bat to if it were not for the fact I wouldn't be able to support my family. And no, I am not proud of having that avenue of thought.
which would solve the ;problem; which is boys and girls are directed away from certain fields and a young age.
If that wasn't happening to the degree it is, and we still have a gender disparity, then you would have a point.
I actually follow the latest neurological events and studies.And it is a myth. There is no demarcation among gender in how the brain works.
Ragini Verma is a mathematician. She that study is outside her expertise, and she isn't a neurologist.
The study come down to an interpretation of radiologist pictures. It's a horrible 'study' and , at best, might indicate more studying be required.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news...
Never, ever, link a science study to me you don't understand or haven't read. I will hand you your ass on a Bayesian platter.
" I have yet to really meet any of these people, but they must be absolutely everywhere"
good for you. I have seen it in teachers, I've seen it in religious circles, I've seen it in the media. Frankly. you must just not be paying attention. I didn't use to then my daughter started having issues at school. I went to talk to her teachers, and a couple of them said those specific words. Then I started paying closer attention. Obviously looking for something means you will find it, so I am very careful to take note when it's something that can be interpreted the way I see it, or actually words that are said.
"That somehow men and women only populate the fields of interests and careers they do, because of big meanies imposing sexist and genderist constructs upon them during their formative years?"
Let me be clear on what I am saying. I'll try to use small words, since you are bent on twisting what I say:
There is a myth that girls and boys are hard wired in different and specific ways. We need to stop with that myth becasue it removes options from kids. If a kid is told repeatedly they are able to do certain kinds of work, and they are also getting the confirmation from adults, they are far less likely to take up those fields.
And yes, this happens to boys as well. As a person anecdote(yeah yeah) I took archery and self defense in high school instead of baseball and football. I was told by teachers that self defense and archery are for girls, and boy play football and baseball. I took it anyways, but almost every other boy ended up dropping it and changing .
I see this still happening in PE, and culinary courses at my sons high school. It's pretty blantent,
good. I don't want creativity in Assembly, I want solid engineering.
"are the current programs making things better or worse"
except voter , for the most part, only get there info from an echo chamber.
By every measure we have, thing have gotten better in the use since 2009. Yet people tlak like things are worse.
Stocks, high, unemployment, down, and so on.
easy to say, hard to do when you know that there lackeys will respond by killing your kids and family. Possible your entire group.
'Yeah, I got's gun. I fix everything' sure looks good on paper, rarely works.
I blame action movies for this stupid silver bullet mentality...also werewolves.
Yeah, community where people have multiple wives and then children will have serious genetic issues in just a couple of generations. So there is a reason for not allowing it.
". Our current president is the most conservative president our country has ever had, "
well, there it is. The stupidest statement on slashdot to date.
" but don't complain about what the politicians are doing if you take no part in selecting them."
why not? I don't remember reading where not voting means your opinions on what they are doing are invalid.
"Men and women have differently wired brains, more news at 11."
That. Is. False. Stop propagating that myth. Young girls get told that lie, then believe it and don't go into STEM becasue "they aren't wired for it"
"Anyways why is it such a "social problem" that they aren't interested? "
That's not the problem, the problem is there are directed away from it, usually by idiots saying things like "Men and women have differently wired brains"