The more educated a society is, the fewer children they have. You point has nothing to do with a robotic era.
Remember, tech comes with other tech. Once we have system talking to each other about what that are doing and our scheduled to do, they will become more efficient. Then we have more powerful system to work on really hard problems. Like better reuse and recycling, off world mining.
robotic system solve all you other issues. You need to stop applying your current way of thinking with an automated society.
It's clear tat the value you place on the chair isn't comfort, or health, but the money it costs.
Would it be a worse chair if it was sold for 250 dollar? 25 dollars?
Communism, does not mean totalitarianism. Please divorce the concepts in you mind.
" fatally flawed understanding of human nature. Workers are lazy and will not produce if they don't have to." that's factually incorrect. Don't confuse not wanting to work 80 hours a week with 'lazy'. Don't confuse low productivity due to being forced to so something you don't want to as 'lazy' However, since we are talking about replacing people with robots, that kind of makes you issue go away.
More people are being automated out of work then the creation of the automation adds to the work pool. This started at the end of the 90s.
So, what do we do when people aren't need to do most work?
I have several types of solution, but I wonder what you come up with.
Marx took a scientific view of Communism(a Form of socialism). Sally, Lenin twisted it into Leninism.
However, ti's going to happen. The question is(to me), will it happen during a US cycle of forward thinking, or in a cycle like we currently have where people are trying to make everything like it was*
*in there mind; wihch is inaccurate protrayel of the actual history of the US
"And what good is FTL drive when you still need large rockets to get off of 1G gravity wells?" because once we get into orbit we can go to the stars? Seriously, that was a stupid question.
No, there are no practical models at this time for 'FTL'(I include warp like techs in that), but do you seriously think that if we did manage it, we wouldn't go to other planets of star becasue we need to lift it into orbit first?
Entertaining book, not a practical example at all.
First off, it overlooks the bureaucracy's were created by a people so we could do very complex things well. Secondly, bureaucracy still exist in snow crash. They exist in other companies, and they exist in the management of different regions.
The government lost control to corporations being able to run everything through consistent privatization.
That's a nice 6th grade interpretation of communism, well done. I can point to mane of those exact same flaws with democracies.
Of course, if robots do the work, then why doesn't it work?
The funny thing is how most people posting are confusing Communism, Marxism, Leninism and Socialism.
The problems you state come from Leninism, not Communism itself. Leninism is what created the central market, and state control by a vanguard party, as opposed to a common rule of law. Leninism is what causes the USSR to fail. That and the military dick waving economic war.
"but they can't determine that Billy Bob had a rough 4th of July weekend, and it would be best to have him do his paperwork today instead of working on the electrical junction box that has water damage."
SO your system will dispatch people in a way no human would of thought of? Sending out nearby jobs is a lot different then taking every rule into account and letting the system dictate which jobs to do in what order even if on initially glance it doesn't seem to make sense.
I've seen some of these system, and the word that often comes tom mind when trying to pick apart why it makes certian decsions is 'creepy' Simple example. Why did it move a crew across town instead of doing a nearby jobs. seems broken, crew overrides, works nearby.. Turns out, due to a locate that needs to be done by a completely different organization, and the times the bridge will be up makes being able to do that work at that time unlikely. So it choose to have the crew do it a weak sooner. Thing like that but with 100 or more variables.
The organization no longer allow the people to over ride the work except for safety or equipment issues. They have since not needed to rehire 4 FTEs becasue the work is that much more efficient.
Like I said. Creepy.
I've seen sand boxed system running many threads of the same software and emergent behavior arise that made part of me want to unplug the computer and run for the hills!
Because it's using its rules to make decisions that humans wouldn't have thought of. Where is an expert system is just the same things humans would have done, just automated and faster.
Wrong. That's just an accusation present by people who have no data to back there assertions.
Have you ever notice that deniers don't actual attack the science? They make ad homs. lies, non sequitors, or cherry pick something they consider 'wrong' even though it's within error bars.
Blindly ignoring facts is denial-ism. If it was wrong it could be solidly shown to be wrong with high school level of scientific understanding.
Let start with AGW, No, it's not the same as Climate change.
These are all scientific facts, that you can test for yourself. Interesting note: If you can show they are wrong you would change are understanding of physics and win a number of prizes, and end up being worth a lot of money. I use the term 'visible light' and IR. They are referring to parts of the EM spectrum.
1) Visible lights strike our planet. 2) CO2 is transparent to visible light 3) When visible light strike something IR is generated. 4) Some energy is captured from the IR by CO2 5) CO2 is levels are rising 6) Human put out many,many gigatones of CO2 above that which is part of the normal cycle. This is because we dig petroleum up and burn it.
So, deniers need to explain which point up there is wrong, and as I have said, it would be trivial to do.
That AGW. So now with climate change: Climate change is the changes in the climate due to the increased amount of trapped energy from AGW.
If you have some way to show adding energy to a system in now way impacts that system, by all means, write a paper.
It's not hard. The only hard thing is predicted what will happen with increased climate at a specific level. We know what the trends will be.
The basic science is so simply,, you really need to be on some sort of agenda, a tool, or just fucking stupid.
Saying Climate change isn't real is like saying gravity doesn't accelerate all objects at the same rate.
Yes, lets butcher science so the ignorant plebes can be happy. What could go wrong? Plane was ill-defined. So now it has a more specific definition. That is all.
You know what? we will probably find more data and cause it to become even more specific.
"almost zero progress on the subject in the last 30 years. " Ah, a person who reads non of the literature making his opinion know , and being completely absolute in their ignorance.
The problem is, you break doesn't machines much finer then you do the human brain.
I see some one, recognize them, know its their birthday and wish them a happy birthday. So can a machine.
All I know is that I see machines make decisions all the time. Complex and deep decisions. I've seen machines that figured out a problem no human could. AI? it's here. Primitive to be sure, but here.
I suspect tour going to put some magic property to excuse away why it's different for a machine.
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The more educated a society is, the fewer children they have. You point has nothing to do with a robotic era.
Remember, tech comes with other tech. Once we have system talking to each other about what that are doing and our scheduled to do, they will become more efficient. Then we have more powerful system to work on really hard problems. Like better reuse and recycling, off world mining.
robotic system solve all you other issues.
You need to stop applying your current way of thinking with an automated society.
It's clear tat the value you place on the chair isn't comfort, or health, but the money it costs.
Would it be a worse chair if it was sold for 250 dollar? 25 dollars?
Communism, does not mean totalitarianism. Please divorce the concepts in you mind.
" fatally flawed understanding of human nature. Workers are lazy and will not produce if they don't have to."
that's factually incorrect. Don't confuse not wanting to work 80 hours a week with 'lazy'. Don't confuse low productivity due to being forced to so something you don't want to as 'lazy'
However, since we are talking about replacing people with robots, that kind of makes you issue go away.
More people are being automated out of work then the creation of the automation adds to the work pool. This started at the end of the 90s.
So, what do we do when people aren't need to do most work?
I have several types of solution, but I wonder what you come up with.
Marxism.
Marx took a scientific view of Communism(a Form of socialism). Sally, Lenin twisted it into Leninism.
However, ti's going to happen. The question is(to me), will it happen during a US cycle of forward thinking, or in a cycle like we currently have where people are trying to make everything like it was*
*in there mind; wihch is inaccurate protrayel of the actual history of the US
So building a fantastic infrastructure, paying well, and diversifying the economy is raping?
Please.
We don't know, and that's the problem. There may not be another way.
"And what good is FTL drive when you still need large rockets to get off of 1G gravity wells?"
because once we get into orbit we can go to the stars?
Seriously, that was a stupid question.
No, there are no practical models at this time for 'FTL'(I include warp like techs in that), but do you seriously think that if we did manage it, we wouldn't go to other planets of star becasue we need to lift it into orbit first?
Entertaining book, not a practical example at all.
First off, it overlooks the bureaucracy's were created by a people so we could do very complex things well.
Secondly, bureaucracy still exist in snow crash. They exist in other companies, and they exist in the management of different regions.
The government lost control to corporations being able to run everything through consistent privatization.
That's a nice 6th grade interpretation of communism, well done.
I can point to mane of those exact same flaws with democracies.
Of course, if robots do the work, then why doesn't it work?
The funny thing is how most people posting are confusing Communism, Marxism, Leninism and Socialism.
The problems you state come from Leninism, not Communism itself. Leninism is what created the central market, and state control by a vanguard party, as opposed to a common rule of law.
Leninism is what causes the USSR to fail. That and the military dick waving economic war.
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How about you look at China, where they seem to have a very big economy.
Anyways, robotic system will remove the reason communism failed.
So if I have robotic workers, why would people need to work?
"but they can't determine that Billy Bob had a rough 4th of July weekend, and it would be best to have him do his paperwork today instead of working on the electrical junction box that has water damage."
Says who?
You don't consider it intelligent becasue you have tricked yourself into thinking you understand it.
I'm in a union, and we do this. So you are wrong.
We already have it. Let's not allow facts and logic to actually change your narrative, you just go on being stupid.
SO your system will dispatch people in a way no human would of thought of?
Sending out nearby jobs is a lot different then taking every rule into account and letting the system dictate which jobs to do in what order even if on initially glance it doesn't seem to make sense.
I've seen some of these system, and the word that often comes tom mind when trying to pick apart why it makes certian decsions is 'creepy'
Simple example.
Why did it move a crew across town instead of doing a nearby jobs. seems broken, crew overrides, works nearby..
Turns out, due to a locate that needs to be done by a completely different organization, and the times the bridge will be up makes being able to do that work at that time unlikely. So it choose to have the crew do it a weak sooner.
Thing like that but with 100 or more variables.
The organization no longer allow the people to over ride the work except for safety or equipment issues. They have since not needed to rehire 4 FTEs becasue the work is that much more efficient.
Like I said. Creepy.
I've seen sand boxed system running many threads of the same software and emergent behavior arise that made part of me want to unplug the computer and run for the hills!
Because it's using its rules to make decisions that humans wouldn't have thought of.
Where is an expert system is just the same things humans would have done, just automated and faster.
IT's another step away form we are special and towards accuracy.
The 'sun' gets its name from when we thought it was not the same as stars.
I am getting pretty old, and I am very grateful I'm not the 'it'was this way when I was a kid and it should stay that way!' type of old person.
Wrong. That's just an accusation present by people who have no data to back there assertions.
Have you ever notice that deniers don't actual attack the science? They make ad homs. lies, non sequitors, or cherry pick something they consider 'wrong' even though it's within error bars.
Blindly ignoring facts is denial-ism. If it was wrong it could be solidly shown to be wrong with high school level of scientific understanding.
Let start with AGW, No, it's not the same as Climate change.
These are all scientific facts, that you can test for yourself. Interesting note: If you can show they are wrong you would change are understanding of physics and win a number of prizes, and end up being worth a lot of money.
I use the term 'visible light' and IR. They are referring to parts of the EM spectrum.
1) Visible lights strike our planet.
2) CO2 is transparent to visible light
3) When visible light strike something IR is generated.
4) Some energy is captured from the IR by CO2
5) CO2 is levels are rising
6) Human put out many,many gigatones of CO2 above that which is part of the normal cycle. This is because we dig petroleum up and burn it.
So, deniers need to explain which point up there is wrong, and as I have said, it would be trivial to do.
That AGW.
So now with climate change:
Climate change is the changes in the climate due to the increased amount of trapped energy from AGW.
If you have some way to show adding energy to a system in now way impacts that system, by all means, write a paper.
It's not hard.
The only hard thing is predicted what will happen with increased climate at a specific level. We know what the trends will be.
The basic science is so simply,, you really need to be on some sort of agenda, a tool, or just fucking stupid.
Saying Climate change isn't real is like saying gravity doesn't accelerate all objects at the same rate.
But you stick with just screeching like an idiot.
Yes, lets butcher science so the ignorant plebes can be happy. What could go wrong?
Plane was ill-defined. So now it has a more specific definition. That is all.
You know what? we will probably find more data and cause it to become even more specific.
and at least one that does exist.
Infinite space, finite arrangement order of particles = small infinite subset of everything.
No. You use basic universal truths to start.
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I like when people try to pick apart ID4 to look smart, only to look really stupid.
"almost zero progress on the subject in the last 30 years. "
Ah, a person who reads non of the literature making his opinion know , and being completely absolute in their ignorance.
Fuck you.
The problem is, you break doesn't machines much finer then you do the human brain.
I see some one, recognize them, know its their birthday and wish them a happy birthday.
So can a machine.
All I know is that I see machines make decisions all the time. Complex and deep decisions. I've seen machines that figured out a problem no human could.
AI? it's here. Primitive to be sure, but here.
I suspect tour going to put some magic property to excuse away why it's different for a machine.
viruses not virii. You sound like an idiot.
Define 'understand'.