The >From idiocy is an artifact of the craptacular Unix mbox format, not sendmail. Remember, not/everthing/ horrible about electronic mail can be laid at the feet of sendmail.
It's a feature of some object-oriented-scheme-like languages (Dylan, ScriptX), that might be expressed in Python.
Let's not forget the language that made multiple dispatch popular (for certain values of popular): Common Lisp. CLOS is still the best expression of multiple dispatch around (although Dylan sure is nifty.)
More to the point, it's the primary reason (at least as far as I can discern) for not including the beautiful stackless patches into the core distro. Which is a shame, as Stackless Python is a thing of beauty.
Is that those are CANADIAN mbps, worth about 60% of USAn mbps. So the ADJUSTED numbers are 2-4mbps Canadian, 1.2-2.4mbps USAn, which sounds just about right.
I'll try another KDE build tonight, but the last time I tried it (a 2.0mumble build, out of/usr/ports) Konqueror was totally unstable. And how good is Konqueror's keyboard-ability? The reason I started using Opera is that everything is keyboard controlled, which is important as I don't like to stress my poor RSI wrists any more than is absolutely necessary.
But performance wise, they're still dogs compared to the big boys. Sun is selling on name alone for the most part these days; even their vaunted reliability is a thing of the past (no ECC on the Starfire cache? WTF?)
SPARC has always been the slowest family of processors, and there's no sign that this'll change.
> As for lambdas, if you want to write lisp, use lisp.
Note: I/like/ Python. But I don't understand why Guido put such useless lambda forms in the language. Either don't do them at all, or make sure that you include proper lambdas. The half-assed version that Python has to suffer with is just the wrong compromise to make.
True, true, true. Ok, so it's the pathetic excuse for lambdas IN ADDITION TO reference counting that keeps Python firmly in the world of joke languages. But it's so close! It's frustrating in the extreme to have to deal with a language that's ALMOST the right thing. Why can't more people get on the LISP bus? Are they just so ignorant (please don't answer)?
There's only ONE reason not to use Python: the weak-as-shit lambda forms. Now that the language supports proper lexical scoping, and with Tismer's brilliant stackless patches, the only thing keeping Python a joke language is the shittiness of the lambdas.
You people are making the problem MUCH harder than it has to be! Look around: I'll just bet that there are several networked computers with dedicated, HARDWARE interpreters, for the most powerful language of them all:
PostScript
C'mon! What's with all the unnecessary complexity? And as an added bonus, we can all start leveraging our huge investment in OpenStep (GNUStep for the FSF-inclined.)
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True enough. But when is EV8 scheduled to launch? I was under the impression that POWER4 and EV7 were going to appear more or less at the same time, with EV8 much later.
And while I don't doubt that an eight-way POWER4 unit will be as terrifyingly expensive as it is fast, would an equivalent EV8 system be any cheaper? Either way, it'll be interesting at the high end again, now that Alpha finally has competition.
Peace,
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Re: and what of the multicore PPC?
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You seem to be talking about the IBM POWER4 chip. Which looks to stomp the living shit out of anything and everything short of Alpha EV7. IA-64? Don't make me laugh.
I wouldn't say that the Economist leans to the right; their sole thrust is what Europeans still (correctly, IMHO) call "liberalism," that is, the beneficial power of the free market. They'll publish things that would have both the American "left" and "right" hopping mad.
It's a great magazine -- really the only source for quality international news in the States. I've taken it for years, and I'm as anti-capital as you can get.
Well, the Buddhists in Tibet and China most definitely persecuted the Manichean clergy, among others, forcing conversions, seizing assets, etc. This is in addition to the various brutal wars fought over less lofty ideals, like imperial expansion.
How about the persecution of religious in the Soviet Union? An athiest state, torturing and murdering believers? Sounds like organized, religious persecution to me, and I'm a damn athiest.
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Thanks for an actual informative post, a rarity here on /.
Peace,
(jfb)
Gnus does. Support the idea of pluggable backends, that is.
Peace,
(jfb)
The >From idiocy is an artifact of the craptacular Unix mbox format, not sendmail. Remember, not /everthing/ horrible about electronic mail can be laid at the feet of sendmail.
Peace,
(jfb)
Let's not forget the language that made multiple dispatch popular (for certain values of popular): Common Lisp. CLOS is still the best expression of multiple dispatch around (although Dylan sure is nifty.)
Peace,
(jfb)
More to the point, it's the primary reason (at least as far as I can discern) for not including the beautiful stackless patches into the core distro. Which is a shame, as Stackless Python is a thing of beauty.
Peace,
(jfb)
Why include a lambda form at all in it's current, useless, state? Was some Schemer holding a gun to your head, or what?
Oh, and many many thanks for a beautiful language.
(jfb)
Gordon Lightfoot?
Triumph?
Keep 'em coming,
(jfb)
"Hello, my name is Bengo, I like to climb on things! Eek eek, can I have a banana?"
I love that record.
I like hubcaps, antfarms, etc.
(jfb)
Is that those are CANADIAN mbps, worth about 60% of USAn mbps. So the ADJUSTED numbers are 2-4mbps Canadian, 1.2-2.4mbps USAn, which sounds just about right.
Peace,
(jfb)
I'll try another KDE build tonight, but the last time I tried it (a 2.0mumble build, out of /usr/ports) Konqueror was totally unstable. And how good is Konqueror's keyboard-ability? The reason I started using Opera is that everything is keyboard controlled, which is important as I don't like to stress my poor RSI wrists any more than is absolutely necessary.
Peace,
(jfb)
To run the only usable web browser available for any Unix (save OS X, natch): Opera?
(jfb)
But performance wise, they're still dogs compared to the big boys. Sun is selling on name alone for the most part these days; even their vaunted reliability is a thing of the past (no ECC on the Starfire cache? WTF?)
SPARC has always been the slowest family of processors, and there's no sign that this'll change.
(jfb)
Poorly.
(jfb)
> As for lambdas, if you want to write lisp, use lisp.
/like/ Python. But I don't understand why Guido put such useless lambda forms in the language. Either don't do them at all, or make sure that you include proper lambdas. The half-assed version that Python has to suffer with is just the wrong compromise to make.
Note: I
That said, Stackless rules.
Peace,
(jfb)
True, true, true. Ok, so it's the pathetic excuse for lambdas IN ADDITION TO reference counting that keeps Python firmly in the world of joke languages. But it's so close! It's frustrating in the extreme to have to deal with a language that's ALMOST the right thing. Why can't more people get on the LISP bus? Are they just so ignorant (please don't answer)?
Peace,
(jfb)
There's only ONE reason not to use Python: the weak-as-shit lambda forms. Now that the language supports proper lexical scoping, and with Tismer's brilliant stackless patches, the only thing keeping Python a joke language is the shittiness of the lambdas.
Start a petition!
(jfb)
Werner Herzog made an AMAZING film about the fires in the Gulf:
http://us.imdb.com/Title?0104706
Highly recommended.
(jfb)
That's more or less what I figured. It will be an interesting couple of years.
(jfb)
You people are making the problem MUCH harder than it has to be! Look around: I'll just bet that there are several networked computers with dedicated, HARDWARE interpreters, for the most powerful language of them all:
PostScript
C'mon! What's with all the unnecessary complexity? And as an added bonus, we can all start leveraging our huge investment in OpenStep (GNUStep for the FSF-inclined.)
(jfb)
True enough. But when is EV8 scheduled to launch? I was under the impression that POWER4 and EV7 were going to appear more or less at the same time, with EV8 much later.
And while I don't doubt that an eight-way POWER4 unit will be as terrifyingly expensive as it is fast, would an equivalent EV8 system be any cheaper? Either way, it'll be interesting at the high end again, now that Alpha finally has competition.
Peace,
(jfb)
Long live Big Blue!
(jfb)
I wouldn't say that the Economist leans to the right; their sole thrust is what Europeans still (correctly, IMHO) call "liberalism," that is, the beneficial power of the free market. They'll publish things that would have both the American "left" and "right" hopping mad.
.02$,
It's a great magazine -- really the only source for quality international news in the States. I've taken it for years, and I'm as anti-capital as you can get.
Just my
(jfb)
Well, the Buddhists in Tibet and China most definitely persecuted the Manichean clergy, among others, forcing conversions, seizing assets, etc. This is in addition to the various brutal wars fought over less lofty ideals, like imperial expansion.
(jfb)
How about the persecution of religious in the Soviet Union? An athiest state, torturing and murdering believers? Sounds like organized, religious persecution to me, and I'm a damn athiest.
(jfb)
P.S. I can't recall any non-believers being killed by Bhuddists or other non-deistic religions. Care to back that up?
Don't know much about the history of Central Asia, do you? The Tibetans were a pretty bloodthirsty lot of empire builders, Buddism or no.
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