Here's a quick test, drop your monitor's refresh rate from whatever it is down to 60Hz then switch it back up. Big difference huh? Games running at a full 60fps have a huge visual distance. You see alot less blurring which I particularly don't enjoy (the blurring of low framerates). The problem I have with the 33fps is that the same exact hardware with a different OS has such a drastic difference in hardware performance. Linux ought to be doing better than Windows, not worse.
It's a good point presuming you're transmitting from Earth to the moon but what if you're planning to go there? Liberal estimates say we could have permenent colonies on the moon in ten years while conservatives say never. If we DID go there a repeater networking could be invaluable. The repeaters could be used for a variety of things including control of probes and for receiving lower power emergency signals. If we stuck a few antennae on the far side of the moon several km apart we would have a radio telescope with an enormous baseline. As you know a bigger baseline means better resolution.
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Having new desktop OSes popping up all the time cancels out the "mature" requirement. If you want a mature desktop OS go to town with OS/2 or MacOS. Of course OS/2 is a moot point these days it does fill your requirement. With Linux many distros exist SOLEY for the purpose of making the user experience with Linux an easy one. Pop a SuSE, Corel, or Redhat CD into the drive and it'll walk you through installation and configuration. They all have system config programs that abstract the user from having to know a bunch of arcane scripting commands and config files.
This is a good point, for any OS discussion including NT. If it takes me a week to get a box up and running smoothly or I have to spend X number of hours of my day reading manuals on how to do something it adds to the overall cost of the system. Lets say I want to put in a SCSI card and hook up a RAID to a system. With Linux I have to find a SCSI adapter that will work (Adaptec 15xx series tend to work well but that may or may not suit my needs) and then get a RAID setup. If I was using many other Unix vendors finding such hardware would be easy, I call up the Unix vendor and tell them what I need. With Linux you don't have that sort of support which is a serious drawback that many people don't think about. If I have MacOS or Windows on a machine I can grab a SCSI card that in Windows or Mac compatible (has drivers written) and then order a RAID that is also certified for the OS. A really great IT dude would know these things before hand but not every company can afford such IT dudes.
Unfortunately Be is missing alot of the things c|Net was paying attention to. If every OS was as easy to set up and use as Be the desktop world would be a wonderful place.
Did you read the articles? They tell exactly why they picked either OS to win in a catagory. It was a c|net article written for the average suit or home user not dudes who think in Assembler.
Frogs and turtles are as complex as humans yet several species of each are frozen during the winter time as lakes and riverbeds freeze over. Oh well, I suppose by complexity you mean bigger animals.
What kind of power are you talking about that a Unix with a GUI lacks? A GUI is nothing more than a graphical way of communicating with your computer. The OS itself has almost no power, it's job is to provide applications with resources to compute what they need to compute. The real work gets done on the applications and the ability of the OS to keep those applications running. The OS is the road while the applications are the cars that get your ass from point A to point B. There is no reason that the road should have no signs telling you where you're going or be a stetch of dirt just because some people don't want a smooth ride. These kind of Unix arguments make me think of the "..when I was a lad we didn't have..." stories. I'm tired of hearing them. Unix like anything else has to evolve to fit a new set of needs. OSX is designed to let people work graphically. Letting people do that does not take away from the "power" of the machine. The point of the computer is to have its processor used to its fullest extent. What good would a grand new G4 do me if I were typing up docs in emacs or pico?
Lite as in modular as in being able to run any API besides BSD in the kernel. Not lite as in smaller in file size. The point of this is that people can't take out the BSD API layer and put in one for say Win32, Linux, or Be. The people writing OSX realize that the guts of a Unix system are tiny (they still are on OSX). Your symantics are wrong.
You damn troll, stop spouting out 8 year old Apple maxims. Closed hardware and closed software is bullshit and anyone with an IQ higher than 56 knows this.
On Io geologic processes that take thousands and millions of years on Earth happen in a month or year's time. It's like watching a fast motion movie on geology. Thats a good thing if you live somewhere like Japan or California with alot of fault activity or Hawai'i with its volcanos.
A solar sail is a dumb idea for anything past Saturn. If you really want to make it out of the solar system you'd need something like an Orion system with matter-antimatter reaction over a matter fusion reaction. And even then it would take a while. Crygenically freeze the people. Then send them out of the solar system like pollen.
How the hell is that far fetched? Jupiter has an enormous magnetic field. High energy particles become trapped in said field. Io's orbit is well within the lower (stronger) parts of Jupiter's magnetic field. Clark used physics and some creative thought to make his Jupiter predictions. How the fuck is that incredible?
Do you know what the Jupiter-Io flux tube is? Clark is a hell of a smart guy but he made his predictions based on OBSERVATIONS through telescopes of the moons. You people act as if no one has any idea that Jupiter had moons before Galileo flew by it. Galileo is just confirming Clark's well thought out predictions. He didn't predict anything terribly absurd or something defying the laws of physics. You dumb sheep.
This show has been dead since the movie. PLEASE STOP FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE. If you want a cool show put the Lone Gunmen into wacky situations on a weekly basis. And do yourselves a favor and get Darin Morgan to write another episode. Yet another reason to firebomb Fox headquarters.
One of the tech sites, I think it was Ars, did a comparison between an 800mhz Athlon and a 433mhz Alpha using SuSE. The Athlon beat the Alpha until they busted out Compaq's free Alpha compiler rather than using egc. After such time the Alpha beat down upon the Athlon with a mighty fury. I think the SMP aspect will be tied to the SMP capability of the x86 kernel. Hopefully the performance in SMP will be about that of a single proc using a good Alpha compiler.
the hell can people say Mac/PPC is a dying platform? The G4e is almost ready for production which means >500mhz and two vector units along with some other goodies like a smaller die size and lower power consumption (G4 Powerbooks baby). I think the real reason Mac decided to release Darwin's source was that they were using lots of stuff from the BSD 4.4 kernel and MkLinux, having some parts open while others are closed would be rather stupid. Open code also means a huge number of programmers can get ahold of it and fix problems or us it to write really tight application code that takes full advantage of the kernel's features. If any platform is in danger of dying I think it would be x86. Intel is abandoning it entirely and AMD is extending it up to 64-bits. AMD is sticking with it because they don't yet have the cash to go and make their own architecture (they have the know-how but not the mula unfortunately). Now that storage is on the cheap CISC architecture is just kicking because people are used to it. To make up for efficiency x86 chips need much higher clocks to keep up with high power RISC chips, now people want mucho processing power.
WINE and Loki are in some way comparible to having a good media API? Dude have you played Quake 3 on a Linux box? Why do you need to gain something from Darwin, you haven't contributed to its development in the slightest of ways.
I harken back to the days of Quicktime 2 and 3. There were tons of apps that used Quicktime (all different versions) that could never figure out you already had it installed. It seems like every game you bought before 1996 came with Quicktime. Those were the days!
Ah grasshoppa, you do not undastand. The Quicktime port to win32 is more than just a recompile. The win32 port is muuuuuuuuuuuuch of the Mac API ported to win32 which is a faaaaaairly uniform system. Porting to a Linux distro would cost them a good deal of time and money being that you would have to port all of the API layers to yet another OS, one which doesn't really have a standard configuration and then make it work with X.
Where does this conception come from that Macs are super expensive boxes that only the l337 can afford. If you ever take a gander at the scores the G4s get compared to Intel and AMD's chips they manage to keep up the pace with chips that have twice the clock speed. Why the hell would you want an OS to run inside an OS? There's only a small handful of instances where it would make sense. You sure are uninformed.
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Here's a quick test, drop your monitor's refresh rate from whatever it is down to 60Hz then switch it back up. Big difference huh? Games running at a full 60fps have a huge visual distance. You see alot less blurring which I particularly don't enjoy (the blurring of low framerates). The problem I have with the 33fps is that the same exact hardware with a different OS has such a drastic difference in hardware performance. Linux ought to be doing better than Windows, not worse.
It's a good point presuming you're transmitting from Earth to the moon but what if you're planning to go there? Liberal estimates say we could have permenent colonies on the moon in ten years while conservatives say never. If we DID go there a repeater networking could be invaluable. The repeaters could be used for a variety of things including control of probes and for receiving lower power emergency signals. If we stuck a few antennae on the far side of the moon several km apart we would have a radio telescope with an enormous baseline. As you know a bigger baseline means better resolution.
Having new desktop OSes popping up all the time cancels out the "mature" requirement. If you want a mature desktop OS go to town with OS/2 or MacOS. Of course OS/2 is a moot point these days it does fill your requirement. With Linux many distros exist SOLEY for the purpose of making the user experience with Linux an easy one. Pop a SuSE, Corel, or Redhat CD into the drive and it'll walk you through installation and configuration. They all have system config programs that abstract the user from having to know a bunch of arcane scripting commands and config files.
This is a good point, for any OS discussion including NT. If it takes me a week to get a box up and running smoothly or I have to spend X number of hours of my day reading manuals on how to do something it adds to the overall cost of the system. Lets say I want to put in a SCSI card and hook up a RAID to a system. With Linux I have to find a SCSI adapter that will work (Adaptec 15xx series tend to work well but that may or may not suit my needs) and then get a RAID setup. If I was using many other Unix vendors finding such hardware would be easy, I call up the Unix vendor and tell them what I need. With Linux you don't have that sort of support which is a serious drawback that many people don't think about. If I have MacOS or Windows on a machine I can grab a SCSI card that in Windows or Mac compatible (has drivers written) and then order a RAID that is also certified for the OS. A really great IT dude would know these things before hand but not every company can afford such IT dudes.
Unfortunately Be is missing alot of the things c|Net was paying attention to. If every OS was as easy to set up and use as Be the desktop world would be a wonderful place.
Did you read the articles? They tell exactly why they picked either OS to win in a catagory. It was a c|net article written for the average suit or home user not dudes who think in Assembler.
Frogs and turtles are as complex as humans yet several species of each are frozen during the winter time as lakes and riverbeds freeze over. Oh well, I suppose by complexity you mean bigger animals.
What kind of power are you talking about that a Unix with a GUI lacks? A GUI is nothing more than a graphical way of communicating with your computer. The OS itself has almost no power, it's job is to provide applications with resources to compute what they need to compute. The real work gets done on the applications and the ability of the OS to keep those applications running. The OS is the road while the applications are the cars that get your ass from point A to point B. There is no reason that the road should have no signs telling you where you're going or be a stetch of dirt just because some people don't want a smooth ride. These kind of Unix arguments make me think of the "..when I was a lad we didn't have..." stories. I'm tired of hearing them. Unix like anything else has to evolve to fit a new set of needs. OSX is designed to let people work graphically. Letting people do that does not take away from the "power" of the machine. The point of the computer is to have its processor used to its fullest extent. What good would a grand new G4 do me if I were typing up docs in emacs or pico?
Lite as in modular as in being able to run any API besides BSD in the kernel. Not lite as in smaller in file size. The point of this is that people can't take out the BSD API layer and put in one for say Win32, Linux, or Be. The people writing OSX realize that the guts of a Unix system are tiny (they still are on OSX). Your symantics are wrong.
You damn troll, stop spouting out 8 year old Apple maxims. Closed hardware and closed software is bullshit and anyone with an IQ higher than 56 knows this.
On Io geologic processes that take thousands and millions of years on Earth happen in a month or year's time. It's like watching a fast motion movie on geology. Thats a good thing if you live somewhere like Japan or California with alot of fault activity or Hawai'i with its volcanos.
A solar sail is a dumb idea for anything past Saturn. If you really want to make it out of the solar system you'd need something like an Orion system with matter-antimatter reaction over a matter fusion reaction. And even then it would take a while. Crygenically freeze the people. Then send them out of the solar system like pollen.
How the hell is that far fetched? Jupiter has an enormous magnetic field. High energy particles become trapped in said field. Io's orbit is well within the lower (stronger) parts of Jupiter's magnetic field. Clark used physics and some creative thought to make his Jupiter predictions. How the fuck is that incredible?
Do you know what the Jupiter-Io flux tube is? Clark is a hell of a smart guy but he made his predictions based on OBSERVATIONS through telescopes of the moons. You people act as if no one has any idea that Jupiter had moons before Galileo flew by it. Galileo is just confirming Clark's well thought out predictions. He didn't predict anything terribly absurd or something defying the laws of physics. You dumb sheep.
Norse for of mischief. You're thinking Logi, don't feel too bad.
Or start a nice sized war to wipe the slate for a few generations.
Infect Io? Dude, are you a fucking moron. Think Europa which is a few thousand miles out from there and you'll be closer to the truth.
Uh dude, try the fact that a thousand slashdot readers just went to the page at the same exact time. You idiot.
This show has been dead since the movie. PLEASE STOP FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE. If you want a cool show put the Lone Gunmen into wacky situations on a weekly basis. And do yourselves a favor and get Darin Morgan to write another episode. Yet another reason to firebomb Fox headquarters.
One of the tech sites, I think it was Ars, did a comparison between an 800mhz Athlon and a 433mhz Alpha using SuSE. The Athlon beat the Alpha until they busted out Compaq's free Alpha compiler rather than using egc. After such time the Alpha beat down upon the Athlon with a mighty fury. I think the SMP aspect will be tied to the SMP capability of the x86 kernel. Hopefully the performance in SMP will be about that of a single proc using a good Alpha compiler.
the hell can people say Mac/PPC is a dying platform? The G4e is almost ready for production which means >500mhz and two vector units along with some other goodies like a smaller die size and lower power consumption (G4 Powerbooks baby). I think the real reason Mac decided to release Darwin's source was that they were using lots of stuff from the BSD 4.4 kernel and MkLinux, having some parts open while others are closed would be rather stupid. Open code also means a huge number of programmers can get ahold of it and fix problems or us it to write really tight application code that takes full advantage of the kernel's features. If any platform is in danger of dying I think it would be x86. Intel is abandoning it entirely and AMD is extending it up to 64-bits. AMD is sticking with it because they don't yet have the cash to go and make their own architecture (they have the know-how but not the mula unfortunately). Now that storage is on the cheap CISC architecture is just kicking because people are used to it. To make up for efficiency x86 chips need much higher clocks to keep up with high power RISC chips, now people want mucho processing power.
WINE and Loki are in some way comparible to having a good media API? Dude have you played Quake 3 on a Linux box? Why do you need to gain something from Darwin, you haven't contributed to its development in the slightest of ways.
I harken back to the days of Quicktime 2 and 3. There were tons of apps that used Quicktime (all different versions) that could never figure out you already had it installed. It seems like every game you bought before 1996 came with Quicktime. Those were the days!
Ah grasshoppa, you do not undastand. The Quicktime port to win32 is more than just a recompile. The win32 port is muuuuuuuuuuuuch of the Mac API ported to win32 which is a faaaaaairly uniform system. Porting to a Linux distro would cost them a good deal of time and money being that you would have to port all of the API layers to yet another OS, one which doesn't really have a standard configuration and then make it work with X.
Where does this conception come from that Macs are super expensive boxes that only the l337 can afford. If you ever take a gander at the scores the G4s get compared to Intel and AMD's chips they manage to keep up the pace with chips that have twice the clock speed. Why the hell would you want an OS to run inside an OS? There's only a small handful of instances where it would make sense. You sure are uninformed.