I think the question is whether nature has already been screwed around with once by humanity. If we are causing global warming, then it's our responsibility to do something about that, even if it's just out of a selfish need to retain a global environment that we're well-adapted to.
I don't think anyone is interested in affecting the global climate just to be doing it; the focus is on counterbalancing or rolling back global climatic changes that we have already made or that are under way which we realize in hindsight were undesirable.
2.4.1 is a test kernel in the sense that it's at the beginning of a new stable series, and historically the beginning of the new stable series have not been as stable as the series later becomes. Although IIRC Linus was commenting on kernel traffic that the 2.4.x stable series has started off much more stable than 2.2.x, for example.
See, people can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true without either proof or at least a convincing argument. Just making smarmy remarks about "tenured professors" doesn't prove anything, it just demonstrates that you couldn't take the time to make a convincing argument.
I'm still waiting to hear why Celera didn't start ten years ago, rather than waiting seven years for the HGP to prove out the science before jumping in for the prize at the last minute. If private industry is so smart and all, why didn't they totally scoop the government-funded project before it was even begun? Maybe because they couldn't have justified the investment without a publicly-funded project to prove it was possible first?
How exactly is public funding a roadblock? If the science is so profitable to begin with, surely the commercial sector will jump in at the scent of money as has happened in this case. Public funding sure didn't stop Celera from getting the whole thing done quickly, and may have helped them prove their business case to their investors.
Contrariwise, many scientific advances would not have been begun without the government funding research in areas that industry has disregarded as unprofitable dead-ends. Where would we be without the public funding of the Internet or the space program? Granted, there's a point when government can stop funding research once it becomes profitable enough for business to carry it forward, which has already occurred for the Internet and some would argue should occur for space flight. But it's hardly an either-or decision - government-supported research is often provided in order to jump-start commercial involvement in the field, for example. The two are complementary.
I would also point out that if the publicly-funded HGP had the funding (adjusted for inflation as well as improvements in technology and basic knowledge over the past ten years) that Celera has had for the past three, it probably wouldn't have taken the public effort 10 years either. The current situation isn't really an accurate comparison between the two efforts, let alone sufficient evidence to indict publicly-funded science.
Well, it doesn't beat public tax-supported research if you want to do use the information and don't have $10K to pay Celera with. The question is more whether the public good of having an open, freely-available database of this information makes it worth the price the public paid for it. I would agree, on the basis that having a commercial competitor validates the usefulness of the information provided by the HGP. Kudos to the politicians who made this a funding priority 7 years before the business community discovered it.
I wonder what will happen when the internet generation gets control.
By that time, the internet generation will have its own moneyed interests to protect, and the youth of that time will agree that:
all the old folks blathering about freedom and privacy online are lame, and
the government/courts/public are being terribly unfair to the next big thing, and only the young folks understand it
Sure I'm cynical, but unfortunately history bears me out on this one. Ex-flower children may be still hip to the important issues of their teens and twenties, but they don't seem much more open-minded with respect to the issues of today, do they? Present company excepted, perhaps.
As much as some of us would like to
think otherwise, Microsoft, a half _trillion_ dollar company is not going away any time soon. I
personally don't think that's a bad thing even if they are in dire need of a good spanking...
I agree that it's a little over the top to start crowing about Microsoft's demise so early, but did you ever consider that the big reason that Microsoft is a half trillion dollar company is precisely because of the actions that they are in trouble for? You can't just say "they're good 'cause they're big" without considering how they got big, and what might have happened instead if they hadn't got so big or had done so differently.
Hmmm, according to the source of the page I got, "This Web site only works in browsers that support frames. It's about time you ditch Lynx and upgrade." This is with Netscape 4.x, not lynx, of course.
Seems to me that their webmaster (see above) should spend less time on the amusing answers to letters, and more time getting their screenshots page to work.
Of course, many people are able to get over their first impressions when they realize that style has masked a lack of substance (like that guy we all know who has a Ford Escort with mag wheels and the flaming paing job). Are you indicating that when it comes to web surfing, you're unable to get past superficialities?
Not that I can necessarily defend Netscape 4.x on *nix (God knows it sucks on HP-UX), but I hope you have more reasons to stick with ie on Windows other than "well, it looked so pretty when I first saw it":) Like dynamic table updates as the page loads, etc.
On the "cleaner and sharper looking" front, Evolution looks great! I've gotta try that sometime soon. Can anyone compare it to Netscape mail (which lacks the calendaring, of course, but I mostly use Netscape for mail/news anyway).
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No, that's what turned Adam Sandler into Goat Boy...
If Jack Valenti sent you a free movie on a VHS cassette, would you watch it? Of course you would.
If Jack Valenti sent you a free movie on DVD, would you watch it? You might have to buy a DVD player, but sure you would.
If he sent it to you over the free radio waves, why wouldn't you watch it? You might have to get some equipment, but there's nothing wrong with watching it. Trust me, somebody already paid to shoot the movie.
Fine with me, if those Airport/pager/cell phone users wanted privacy, they would use strong crypto on the radio waves they're beaming to all and sundry. I reserve the right to do anything I want with elecromagnetic energy that people send me for free, as long as I don't generate any harmful interference for others. I have a right to be an RF receiver!
I'm sure someone will point out that decrypting a cell phone call is illegal, and I agree that this is currently the case. However, I don't agree with this law because it only provides the appearance of privacy protection, not the fact. I could sit in my shed and listen to my neighbors on the phone for years and no one would ever know. Thus, relying on such a law to keep your phone conversations private is a mistake, and I see no reason why I should support such a law.
Not that I've actually done this, but I would have no qualms in doing so if I wanted or needed to.
I'm not unhappy with HTML per se, I just don't think it's necessary in an email. If something requires such perfect formatting, just put it on a web page and send the link in the email.
Wow, you were in such a hurry to reply that you didn't actually read any of the post you were replying to, displaying a lack of comprehension of almost every salient fact from this thread. Allow me to apply a clue-by-four:
My post, and the post to which it was a reply, were both discussing the original Kent State shootings, not the Starcraft clan.
The Kent State protesters weren't "tree huggers" at all - they were protesting the draft for the Vietnam war.
You could tell that I was discussing the original Kent State shootings because I referred to the National Guard, which weren't involved in the Starcraft clan incident.
Since I needed four clues, here's the canonical list of your spelling errors:
possesions
tecnology
blammed
boared
Thanks, and please don't change the topic on a thread ever again, at least until you're more subtle about it. At least those Starcraft lamers could spell:)
So it's OK to shoot and kill people for arson and threats? Police use of force is supposed to be appropriate to the situation at hand; I don't see how it would be appropriate to shoot and kill someone unless they were about to cause imminent serious bodily harm to another person. Threats of bodily harm? To hear you tell it, those were some pretty insecure National Guardsmen:)
What's a malay? I mean, other than a resident of Malaysia? Were you both aiming for "malaise", or what? Not that "malaise" would make any sense either...
That's amazing, because I'm not sure that I've ever communicated with anyone who was able to actually use different fonts, colors, etc. to make a real difference in their emails. I have never received an email where the extra formatting made me think "wow, this is so much better than just plain text". Most of the time I think "damn the sender to Hell for making me squint at their tiny fonts!". Has anyone ever seen a worthwhile HTML email? Don't even get me started on the people who email you a whole web page rather than just sending you a link to it...
I would be thrilled to have an option in Netscape to format incoming HTML-ized email as plain text, removing all tags and replacing paragraph tags with newlines, etc. To never look upon HTML email again would be a blessing indeed.
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I think the question is whether nature has already been screwed around with once by humanity. If we are causing global warming, then it's our responsibility to do something about that, even if it's just out of a selfish need to retain a global environment that we're well-adapted to.
I don't think anyone is interested in affecting the global climate just to be doing it; the focus is on counterbalancing or rolling back global climatic changes that we have already made or that are under way which we realize in hindsight were undesirable.
Famous last words:
Like people? :)
Stealing from canoeists? You fiend!
for the humor impaired, please re-read the first sentence of the parent post.
2.4.1 is a test kernel in the sense that it's at the beginning of a new stable series, and historically the beginning of the new stable series have not been as stable as the series later becomes. Although IIRC Linus was commenting on kernel traffic that the 2.4.x stable series has started off much more stable than 2.2.x, for example.
See, people can keep saying that, but that doesn't make it true without either proof or at least a convincing argument. Just making smarmy remarks about "tenured professors" doesn't prove anything, it just demonstrates that you couldn't take the time to make a convincing argument.
I'm still waiting to hear why Celera didn't start ten years ago, rather than waiting seven years for the HGP to prove out the science before jumping in for the prize at the last minute. If private industry is so smart and all, why didn't they totally scoop the government-funded project before it was even begun? Maybe because they couldn't have justified the investment without a publicly-funded project to prove it was possible first?
How exactly is public funding a roadblock? If the science is so profitable to begin with, surely the commercial sector will jump in at the scent of money as has happened in this case. Public funding sure didn't stop Celera from getting the whole thing done quickly, and may have helped them prove their business case to their investors.
Contrariwise, many scientific advances would not have been begun without the government funding research in areas that industry has disregarded as unprofitable dead-ends. Where would we be without the public funding of the Internet or the space program? Granted, there's a point when government can stop funding research once it becomes profitable enough for business to carry it forward, which has already occurred for the Internet and some would argue should occur for space flight. But it's hardly an either-or decision - government-supported research is often provided in order to jump-start commercial involvement in the field, for example. The two are complementary.
I would also point out that if the publicly-funded HGP had the funding (adjusted for inflation as well as improvements in technology and basic knowledge over the past ten years) that Celera has had for the past three, it probably wouldn't have taken the public effort 10 years either. The current situation isn't really an accurate comparison between the two efforts, let alone sufficient evidence to indict publicly-funded science.
Well, it doesn't beat public tax-supported research if you want to do use the information and don't have $10K to pay Celera with. The question is more whether the public good of having an open, freely-available database of this information makes it worth the price the public paid for it. I would agree, on the basis that having a commercial competitor validates the usefulness of the information provided by the HGP. Kudos to the politicians who made this a funding priority 7 years before the business community discovered it.
By that time, the internet generation will have its own moneyed interests to protect, and the youth of that time will agree that:
Sure I'm cynical, but unfortunately history bears me out on this one. Ex-flower children may be still hip to the important issues of their teens and twenties, but they don't seem much more open-minded with respect to the issues of today, do they? Present company excepted, perhaps.
I agree that it's a little over the top to start crowing about Microsoft's demise so early, but did you ever consider that the big reason that Microsoft is a half trillion dollar company is precisely because of the actions that they are in trouble for? You can't just say "they're good 'cause they're big" without considering how they got big, and what might have happened instead if they hadn't got so big or had done so differently.
Hmmm, according to the source of the page I got, "This Web site only works in browsers that support frames. It's about time you ditch Lynx and upgrade." This is with Netscape 4.x, not lynx, of course.
Seems to me that their webmaster (see above) should spend less time on the amusing answers to letters, and more time getting their screenshots page to work.
OK, how'd you do that? That seems much tougher than getting FP.
I think the point is that existing RAM is already solid-state.
It looks like someone else has a sense of humor too:
Of course, many people are able to get over their first impressions when they realize that style has masked a lack of substance (like that guy we all know who has a Ford Escort with mag wheels and the flaming paing job). Are you indicating that when it comes to web surfing, you're unable to get past superficialities?
Not that I can necessarily defend Netscape 4.x on *nix (God knows it sucks on HP-UX), but I hope you have more reasons to stick with ie on Windows other than "well, it looked so pretty when I first saw it" :) Like dynamic table updates as the page loads, etc.
On the "cleaner and sharper looking" front, Evolution looks great! I've gotta try that sometime soon. Can anyone compare it to Netscape mail (which lacks the calendaring, of course, but I mostly use Netscape for mail/news anyway).
No, that's what turned Adam Sandler into Goat Boy...
If Jack Valenti sent you a free movie on a VHS cassette, would you watch it? Of course you would.
If Jack Valenti sent you a free movie on DVD, would you watch it? You might have to buy a DVD player, but sure you would.
If he sent it to you over the free radio waves, why wouldn't you watch it? You might have to get some equipment, but there's nothing wrong with watching it. Trust me, somebody already paid to shoot the movie.
Fine with me, if those Airport/pager/cell phone users wanted privacy, they would use strong crypto on the radio waves they're beaming to all and sundry. I reserve the right to do anything I want with elecromagnetic energy that people send me for free, as long as I don't generate any harmful interference for others. I have a right to be an RF receiver!
I'm sure someone will point out that decrypting a cell phone call is illegal, and I agree that this is currently the case. However, I don't agree with this law because it only provides the appearance of privacy protection, not the fact. I could sit in my shed and listen to my neighbors on the phone for years and no one would ever know. Thus, relying on such a law to keep your phone conversations private is a mistake, and I see no reason why I should support such a law.
Not that I've actually done this, but I would have no qualms in doing so if I wanted or needed to.
I'm not unhappy with HTML per se, I just don't think it's necessary in an email. If something requires such perfect formatting, just put it on a web page and send the link in the email.
Thanks, I'll give that a try. That sounds like it could be my problem, since I've never used menudrake, just the KDE and Gnome menu editors.
Wow, you were in such a hurry to reply that you didn't actually read any of the post you were replying to, displaying a lack of comprehension of almost every salient fact from this thread. Allow me to apply a clue-by-four:
Thanks, and please don't change the topic on a thread ever again, at least until you're more subtle about it. At least those Starcraft lamers could spell :)
Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!!
So it's OK to shoot and kill people for arson and threats? Police use of force is supposed to be appropriate to the situation at hand; I don't see how it would be appropriate to shoot and kill someone unless they were about to cause imminent serious bodily harm to another person. Threats of bodily harm? To hear you tell it, those were some pretty insecure National Guardsmen :)
Aha! He was aiming for "malady" and missed the 'd'. Sometimes the smallest things cause the biggest problems of comprehension.
What's a malay? I mean, other than a resident of Malaysia? Were you both aiming for "malaise", or what? Not that "malaise" would make any sense either...
That's amazing, because I'm not sure that I've ever communicated with anyone who was able to actually use different fonts, colors, etc. to make a real difference in their emails. I have never received an email where the extra formatting made me think "wow, this is so much better than just plain text". Most of the time I think "damn the sender to Hell for making me squint at their tiny fonts!". Has anyone ever seen a worthwhile HTML email? Don't even get me started on the people who email you a whole web page rather than just sending you a link to it...
I would be thrilled to have an option in Netscape to format incoming HTML-ized email as plain text, removing all tags and replacing paragraph tags with newlines, etc. To never look upon HTML email again would be a blessing indeed.