OpenVMS runs on the 64-bit Alpha chips. VMS (in it's original form) is no longer supported (VAX hardware or VMS OS) by Compaq due to many huge Y2K issues. OpenVMS is the successor.
Wow. There's not a shred of accuracy in that entire statement.
OpenVMS was a name change for marketing purposes, nothing more. Nothing changed in the code base.
There were not "many huge Y2K issues" in OpenVMS; the base OS was Y2K-compliant the first day it shipped in 1977.
Compaq is discontinuing the VAX for the same reason that DEC discontinued the PDP-11; it's obsolete technology that isn't economically worthwhile to manufacture anymore.
Now, WHY they choose to continue that piece of crap is beyond me.;)
Well, for one thing, it's the OS that runs all of Intel's chip production lines.
To quote that Pinhead guy from the first movie: "No. It's not."
As Shadowlion said, it's much more akin to things like the SCSL. You can put out your own game using D20, sure, as long as you don't include character creation/experience -- which, since playing and developing the characters is rather the point of a role-playing game, is as if Linux had a license that allowed you to create your own distribution as long as you didn't include any user interface, so everyone who wanted to access your Linux system had to buy the shell from Linus (along with paying for a bunch of applications which had nothing to do with what you were doing with your macine, but that's the breaks).
This is just another marketing-driven perversion of the Open Source concept. Sad, really.
It's like a MIX101 Lite radio station of classical music.
This reminds me of an SF story -- from Analog SF/F magazine, IIRC -- that depicted a future where it had become impossible to compose an original work of music; with a database containing every known musical composition in hostory available, everthing that someone came up with would turn out to match something done before, even if the composer had never heard the work they were "copying". Scary thought, isn't it?
I think they should just pass some kind of "mickey-mouse act" which would extend protection on mickey mouse et. al, but stop preventing us from getting access to the thousands of other works which come under the wider law now in place.
That's sounds to me like a perfectly good and workable suggestion, and wouldn't even be that hard to do; just make a provision in the copyright law that says that copyrights to works involving trademarked characters (where the copyright and tradmark are held by the same entity) last for as long as the trademark is valid plus some number of years (25, perhaps?). I'm sure corporations would prefer that approach to having to pay off Congress every 20 years, but those bodies of work without an active maintainer could enter public domain earlier (back to a 50 year or life+25 span). Everybody gains, or am I missing something?
The first real 32-bit process from Intel maybe. Dec released their first 16 bit processor in 1970. I'm sure that by the time the 386 was introduced, they'd been doing 32 bit for ages and were starting to move to 64 bit processors. Never mind that a machine with one of those processors would have a six digit price tag.
FWIW, DEC introduced the 32-bit VAX processor in 1977, and the 64-bit Alpha in 1992; Intel intoduced the 386DX in 1985. Oh, and many of the systems using those processors had four and five-digit price tags, too:}
I love this word "coopetition". (Well, I don't know it's new, but I've never seen it before). In one word, it describes exactly why and how the open source model can work.
Sad-but-true dept: the word was coined by Ray Noorda, the founder of Novell, not too very long before attempting to "co-op-ete" with Microsoft nearly destroyed Novell and got him tossed out on his ear.
When did "innovate" become a synonym for "destroy all comptetiton"?
Heh. Don't get too worried: we've got 'em under control. Be happy they're using the core of kerberos so it won't be hard to detect and fix the changes they made.
Wouldn't that be "reverse-engineering an access control" under the DMCA?
(and yes, I know that the DMCA is supposed to permit that for purposes of "interoperability", but the court's already thrown that part out.)
When did "innovate" become a synonym for "suppress competition"?
Just some nits to pick with an otherwise first-class posting:
(the largest iron WinNT was ever ported to, BTW, were Sun and Alpha ports--and those two ports are supposedly being discontinued)
WinNT didn't have a Sun port; the non-Intel versions were MIPS, PowerPC, and Alpha, none of which survived to make it to the shipping version of Windows 2000.
In fact, the ONLY Big Iron I know of at ALL that uses anything close to a GUI are a) the Alpha and Sun ports of Windows NT and b) a terminal and configuration program for OS/2 designed to act as a console for booting AS/400 boxen running OS/400 (in other words, the OS/2 program largely replaces the blinkenlights).
OpenVMS also has a GUI, the X11-based DECwindows (one can reasonably argue that VMS is a minicomputer OS on steroids, and not true Big Iron at all, but it's certainly more mainframe than its bastard stepchild NT).
-- When did "innovate" become a synonym for "suppress competition"?
So what do we want? We want acceptance of Linux as an alternative to the norm. We want wider application support. We want games. But I don't necessarily feel that taking Linux "mass-market" is the only way to get those. (And I do agree with the only ways Linux could get really "mass-market" are a) make it really dumbed down or b) make everyone in the world suddenly get a lot more tech saavy - unlikely).
I'd be curious to hear what you all think about this....
Every time Slashdot posts an article about increasing Linux usage by non-geeks, the same batch of creebs about "dumbing-down" the OS gets posted. Now, I've been doing computing since my first programming courses in 1971, so I realize that some of this is good old classic Unix bigotry (I'm old enough that I went to Berkeley before Unix, if you can fathom that:) but setting that aside, it's astonishes me all over again every time I see it.
What all these people seem to be saying, over and over again, is that the best efforts of the Open Source Community are not capable of evolving a set of common standards that will allow either the use of graphical applications and tools or the use of the command line, as desired.
I'm sorry, but no corporation controls me. No corporation possibly could. You are mistaking money for power. The only thing that can take away your freedom is government, because only they have the force necessary to do it.
Hear, hear! I've been pushing this idea on Slashdot for a long time. Governments are intrinsically more dangerous and untrustworthy than corporations. Give me a choice between big government and big corporations and I'll pick corporations every time.
When the government becomes the bought-and-paid-for puppet of the corporations, what is the significant difference?
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There no reson to be going to other planets to have our pictures taken when we could be using the money to feed all the malnourished and starving people around the world. Have you ever watched anybody starve to death? It's horrible. Feeding them is much more important for the human race than sending a few people to some other big rock to stand on.
You know, that's a breathtakingly stupid statement.
If it wasn't for the inventment in space, far more of those people around the world would be suffering far worse than they are now.
With satellite-based instruments giving us a clearer picture of the earth's weather than we could ever approach without them, and with the sort of resource analysis that they provide, it has been possible to both increase the land available for crop production in less developed parts of the world and to provide better warning of the effects of severe weather all over the world.
Not only that, but the technologies derived from space programs have provided huge improvements in medical care (especially portability), making it possible for doctors working in the most primitive field conditions to treat patients that would have been beyond hope forty years ago.
Also importantly, the communications revolution made possible by space technology also provided the world with a clear view of the effects of poverty. The power of live satellite feeds from places like Somalia, actually bringing the suffering into the view of the affluent world, provides motivation for much of the contributions that go to relief organizations, not to mention the benefits that come from the fact that it's that much harder for an oppressor to exploit or slaughter a population without being noticed.
Then there are the educational opportunities that are afforded by improved communications -- but I think I've made my point.
Can we join forces and get CNN, MSNBC, ABC, BBC, everyone and see the (Microsoft like : ) bulliness that is eminating from these big corporations?
I was pleasantly surprised to read this CNN story on Jon Johanson's arrest. It's one of the very few times a major media source hasn't done an article screaming "evil pirate hackers copying DVDs!" right off the bat.
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That should have been "Nearly 40 replies"...
Nearly 30 replies and nobody has made the obligatory Beowulf Cluster comment?
Wow. My Win95 (for games) crashes a lot, but I haven't head it screaming obscenties yet. Did M$ add that for Win98, or is it a Theme Pack?
Wow. There's not a shred of accuracy in that entire statement.
OpenVMS was a name change for marketing purposes, nothing more. Nothing changed in the code base.
There were not "many huge Y2K issues" in OpenVMS; the base OS was Y2K-compliant the first day it shipped in 1977.
Compaq is discontinuing the VAX for the same reason that DEC discontinued the PDP-11; it's obsolete technology that isn't economically worthwhile to manufacture anymore.
Now, WHY they choose to continue that piece of crap is beyond me. ;)
Well, for one thing, it's the OS that runs all of Intel's chip production lines.
To quote that Pinhead guy from the first movie: "No. It's not."
As Shadowlion said, it's much more akin to things like the SCSL. You can put out your own game using D20, sure, as long as you don't include character creation/experience -- which, since playing and developing the characters is rather the point of a role-playing game, is as if Linux had a license that allowed you to create your own distribution as long as you didn't include any user interface, so everyone who wanted to access your Linux system had to buy the shell from Linus (along with paying for a bunch of applications which had nothing to do with what you were doing with your macine, but that's the breaks).
This is just another marketing-driven perversion of the Open Source concept. Sad, really.
This reminds me of an SF story -- from Analog SF/F magazine, IIRC -- that depicted a future where it had become impossible to compose an original work of music; with a database containing every known musical composition in hostory available, everthing that someone came up with would turn out to match something done before, even if the composer had never heard the work they were "copying". Scary thought, isn't it?
That's sounds to me like a perfectly good and workable suggestion, and wouldn't even be that hard to do; just make a provision in the copyright law that says that copyrights to works involving trademarked characters (where the copyright and tradmark are held by the same entity) last for as long as the trademark is valid plus some number of years (25, perhaps?). I'm sure corporations would prefer that approach to having to pay off Congress every 20 years, but those bodies of work without an active maintainer could enter public domain earlier (back to a 50 year or life+25 span). Everybody gains, or am I missing something?
FWIW, DEC introduced the 32-bit VAX processor in 1977, and the 64-bit Alpha in 1992; Intel intoduced the 386DX in 1985. Oh, and many of the systems using those processors had four and five-digit price tags, too :}
Sad-but-true dept: the word was coined by Ray Noorda, the founder of Novell, not too very long before attempting to "co-op-ete" with Microsoft nearly destroyed Novell and got him tossed out on his ear.
When did "innovate" become a synonym for "destroy all comptetiton"?
Wouldn't that be "reverse-engineering an access control" under the DMCA?
(and yes, I know that the DMCA is supposed to permit that for purposes of "interoperability", but the court's already thrown that part out.)
When did "innovate" become a synonym for "suppress competition"?
(the largest iron WinNT was ever ported to, BTW, were Sun and Alpha ports--and those two ports are supposedly being discontinued)
WinNT didn't have a Sun port; the non-Intel versions were MIPS, PowerPC, and Alpha, none of which survived to make it to the shipping version of Windows 2000.
In fact, the ONLY Big Iron I know of at ALL that uses anything close to a GUI are a) the Alpha and Sun ports of Windows NT and b) a terminal and configuration program for OS/2 designed to act as a console for booting AS/400 boxen running OS/400 (in other words, the OS/2 program largely replaces the blinkenlights).
OpenVMS also has a GUI, the X11-based DECwindows (one can reasonably argue that VMS is a minicomputer OS on steroids, and not true Big Iron at all, but it's certainly more mainframe than its bastard stepchild NT).
-- When did "innovate" become a synonym for "suppress competition"?
So what do we want? We want acceptance of Linux as an alternative to the norm. We want wider application support. We want games. But I don't necessarily feel that taking Linux "mass-market" is the only way to get those. (And I do agree with the only ways Linux could get really "mass-market" are a) make it really dumbed down or b) make everyone in the world suddenly get a lot more tech saavy - unlikely).
I'd be curious to hear what you all think about this....
Every time Slashdot posts an article about increasing Linux usage by non-geeks, the same batch of creebs about "dumbing-down" the OS gets posted. Now, I've been doing computing since my first programming courses in 1971, so I realize that some of this is good old classic Unix bigotry (I'm old enough that I went to Berkeley before Unix, if you can fathom that :) but setting that aside, it's astonishes me all over again every time I see it.
What all these people seem to be saying, over and over again, is that the best efforts of the Open Source Community are not capable of evolving a set of common standards that will allow either the use of graphical applications and tools or the use of the command line, as desired.
Do you really believe that? I don't.
Hear, hear! I've been pushing this idea on Slashdot for a long time. Governments are intrinsically more dangerous and untrustworthy than corporations. Give me a choice between big government and big corporations and I'll pick corporations every time.
When the government becomes the bought-and-paid-for puppet of the corporations, what is the significant difference?
There no reson to be going to other planets to have our pictures taken when we could be using the money to feed all the malnourished and starving people around the world. Have you ever watched anybody starve to death? It's horrible. Feeding them is much more important for the human race than sending a few people to some other big rock to stand on.
You know, that's a breathtakingly stupid statement.
If it wasn't for the inventment in space, far more of those people around the world would be suffering far worse than they are now.
With satellite-based instruments giving us a clearer picture of the earth's weather than we could ever approach without them, and with the sort of resource analysis that they provide, it has been possible to both increase the land available for crop production in less developed parts of the world and to provide better warning of the effects of severe weather all over the world.
Not only that, but the technologies derived from space programs have provided huge improvements in medical care (especially portability), making it possible for doctors working in the most primitive field conditions to treat patients that would have been beyond hope forty years ago.
Also importantly, the communications revolution made possible by space technology also provided the world with a clear view of the effects of poverty. The power of live satellite feeds from places like Somalia, actually bringing the suffering into the view of the affluent world, provides motivation for much of the contributions that go to relief organizations, not to mention the benefits that come from the fact that it's that much harder for an oppressor to exploit or slaughter a population without being noticed.
Then there are the educational opportunities that are afforded by improved communications -- but I think I've made my point.
Can we join forces and get CNN, MSNBC, ABC, BBC, everyone and see the (Microsoft like : ) bulliness that is eminating from these big corporations?
I was pleasantly surprised to read this CNN story on Jon Johanson's arrest. It's one of the very few times a major media source hasn't done an article screaming "evil pirate hackers copying DVDs!" right off the bat.