Oops. You mean a $100 Linksys hub. However, if you really know where to get a new or used router for a hundred bucks I'll buy it... And I'll eat my new pad of post-it notes too! BTW, it more than likely IS using ethernet. I'm just guessing that their satellite system was designed back in the days when they didn't really figure they'd have to handle residential IP distridution. That's a sham, err, shame! At any rate, they'll have to produce a two-way, no-router access system before I would ever sonsider it. Well, nothing's ever written in stone.
they stepped over it. ignorance makes no difference to the fact that a basic human right has been violated... yet again. and i'm a conservative. try that on me and you'll wake up with a mouth full of broken teeth. then you'll have to make your sales with a broken smile. no smile, no sale. no sale, no money. no money... need i elaborate?
but I would say that there real motive is to try to stop people imitating their style, and is really not about any real fear of market confusion.
That doesn't make sense. Why would YOU stop people from imitating YOUR style? I mean, it's YOUR style isn't it? Maybe you don't mind if your style gets ripped off. Maybe you do. "small time themer" could have asked first and ripped off later. Maybe Apple IS concerned about market confusion. They know more about that than I do. They might even know more about that than YOU do.
I would also say that it is rather petty of them to go after small time themers, that pose no threat to their business.
Okay, you got me there. But what about the poor schmuck college grad working for two years out of college, working at Apple, pouring his/her creativity and soul into making that beautiful aqua interface? Maybe they're only making 25k per year and have to face a layoff next year because nobody gives a shit about Aqua anymore because anyone can get it anywhere for free now?
But in this case, they are taking something that everyone knows isn't osx and making it "taste" like osx.
In court, you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that everyone knows it's not osx. Which, I'm sure you would agree is a far-fetched proposal at best. Not everyone knows it isn't osx. Some people don't even know what an os is. Hard to believe but very true -and to a larger extent than you think. And really, that's beside the point. In Apple's case, osx is trade dress. The reason being that someone could use Aqua-ish graphics being *displayed* on a wintel pc to aid in the sale of that pc and thereby affect Apple's sales. Actually, I think there would be a better argument for this by calling it a willful dilution of product value by another company. But I'm not a student of law and I may have that wrong.
What's going on here has absolutely nothing to do with "..ripping off all somebodies work and sell it with your name on it.."
Oh really. I guess my comprehension skills just aren't up to yours.
What's going on here is a loser corporation with too many loser lawyers with nothing really important to do, trying to intimidate a website that specializes in skins that **kinda** look their OS..
No. What's going on here is that a bunch of people wasted the last two years of their pathetic lives pouring their creativity and soul into crafting a beautiful interface and people are ripping it off. You must've been that kid at the beach that kicked over the other kids' sand castles because they looked better than yours.
>>People who think that they have some deity given right to "own" something. Who said that you have the right to earn a living off of some ill-defined notion that humans have of property.
Damn straight! I just spent over 1000 man hours developing a trademarked high-performance CGI. If I ever find that someone has decided to use my trademark to help them sell their own goods I'll sue their colective ass off. This would be different if the program made itself. I wouldn't feel in any way inclined to do so in that instance. But that's not reality. The reality is that I put a lot of work into this and make no mistake about it... I OWN EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF WORK THAT I PUT INTO IT. This is called intellectual property. If you're trying to imply that that intellectual property was created before I was or that something else like nature created it, then I *must* insist that you visit a drug rehab facility because the THC has taken over your mind.
>>But Red Hat certainly does not fall into the same realm as Microsoft and Intel, get a clue.
Uh, okay. Are you trying to say that Red Hat is *not* interested in making as much money as MS and Intel? That maybe Red Hat does *not* employ aggressive, money-hungry marketing directors? While this may be true, I doubt it. Maybe I need to get a clue. Maybe you need to get a clue. I use Linux. But I'm not blind because of it.
>>I couldn't care less if Apple releases OS X for Intel, I will not do business with a company that behaves like this.
So you'd rather do business with? Intel? Well, *they* certainly don't behave like that. Or maybe Microsoft? Nope, they don't don't do that either. Or maybe RedHat? Oh sure, they don't mind seeing other companies selling software with the RedHat logo on it.
C'mon guy! Your reasoning behind not doing business with Apple means you shouldn't be doing business with anyone. Maybe you should go into business for yourself. I'd like that because I'd be able to rip off all your work and sell it with my name on it. I know you wouldn't mind because you aren't like that. Right?
>>As for those who say that Internet-distributed apps via Mozilla-XUL or MS-.NET are the future, you are omitting an important human element: Territory. My workstation is my territory; I want to control it's config to suit my tastes, I want to determine its design tradeoffs (e.g. speed v. portability), etc. I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning.
Wow! There's been something I haven't liked about the MS-.NET idea that's really been irking me. And it's not because it's a MS deal being crammed down people's throats. I think you nailed it with that one paragraph. Territory and toiletries really gives me the impression of communism and a vision of too much control by one company. I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, now I realize it won't work.
Sure looks like a flow of something. I'm surprised I haven't heard that it may actually be oil or some other liquid with a high boiling point. Does it have to be water? Another point that contradicts the contradiction that it was actually made by snow or a glacier a long time ago is the fact that one of the sequnces in the JPL archive shows a picture of a crater a year or two ago and one from recently with a significant geological change. If you look at the trail a boulder left on the side of the crater after it fell down it sure gives you the impression that what you see is what you get. I mean, the trail it left looks like a boulder rolled down the side of a sandy crater wall! So that suggests to me that if I see what looks like a flow, it's probably a flow. And it's probably recent. All the other boulder trails have already been filled in with sand or else we'd see them everywhere. Question is, how long does it take for the sand to cover the boulder trail? Guess we'll just have to wait and see. We know where to look now at least.
Confucius once said, "It is better to remain a fool and keep one's mouth shut than to speak and remove all doubt" Sorry if I misquoted. I suppose that would make me the fool. Beer does that, I think. Social problems aside I think it's at least a forward-looking, healthy-minded approach to solving maybe some of their problems.
These are all pretty-much great pieces of advice from my point of view. You're in the software business now. Screw the business plan. Ship the first demo tomorrow. If it works on the customer's system you just generated desperately needed cash flow. If it doesn't, no damage. You can now get whatever investment you need without trying to polish a turd. If a customer wants their money back AND they want to keep the program... Do it! Let any customer rape you so they don't become indignant and call their lawyer. Or worse yet, bad-mouth your company to anyone, especially a potential customer. This is true on any level. And you can easily afford to do this because you followed the number one rule of business in the free market economy: "Charge what the market will bear." And as a side-note from my own experience, do not ever get PO'd at your partner(s) because things are going WAAAY slower than any of you had anticipated. As was said earlier, the amount of learning even during bad-times is ridiculously high even when it seems wrong. Good luck.
I haven't really been able to get the right numbers on this. Scenario: Linux and NT are afflicted with similar security breach. How long does it take for MS to plug hole? How long does it take for Linux to plug hole? Is it possible that everyone knowing how to get in is better than only fifteen people knowing how to get in? It really looks like MS is trying to do its best to compromise. Question is, will MS now fully share the information about how the system was breached? They can't do that because they've already painted themselves into the corner on that one. But my guess would be that they're gonna try to sell it like they were Linux incarnate. Well, not much of a guess I suppose.
I think it's really sick that every single one of us is posting a reply to this topic on a machine that is at least TWICE as powerful as one of those two calculators. (I'm REALLY bad with numerical comparisons... and capitalisation... and spelling). Really, buy the cheaper one. If you really gotta see a good graph use the calculator you typed your question/topic to slashdot on. I've taken as much math as the next guy and he'll tell you right off that the name 'o the calc' don't make it any easier. At least pick the one that LOOKS cooler. Matching apparel is a must. Now that I think about it, you must buy both. Yes, both. Tomorrow, kaki... HP. Then jeans... TI. I would definitely have to go with both. Trust me my man... Image is everything.
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Oops. You mean a $100 Linksys hub. However, if you really know where to get a new or used router for a hundred bucks I'll buy it... And I'll eat my new pad of post-it notes too! BTW, it more than likely IS using ethernet. I'm just guessing that their satellite system was designed back in the days when they didn't really figure they'd have to handle residential IP distridution. That's a sham, err, shame! At any rate, they'll have to produce a two-way, no-router access system before I would ever sonsider it. Well, nothing's ever written in stone.
they stepped over it. ignorance makes no difference to the fact that a basic human right has been violated... yet again. and i'm a conservative. try that on me and you'll wake up with a mouth full of broken teeth. then you'll have to make your sales with a broken smile. no smile, no sale. no sale, no money. no money... need i elaborate?
In court, you would have to prove beyond a balence of probability that everyone knows it's not osx.
Is this right?
Also, is *balence* supposed to be *balance*?
That doesn't make sense. Why would YOU stop people from imitating YOUR style? I mean, it's YOUR style isn't it? Maybe you don't mind if your style gets ripped off. Maybe you do. "small time themer" could have asked first and ripped off later. Maybe Apple IS concerned about market confusion. They know more about that than I do. They might even know more about that than YOU do.
I would also say that it is rather petty of them to go after small time themers, that pose no threat to their business.
Okay, you got me there. But what about the poor schmuck college grad working for two years out of college, working at Apple, pouring his/her creativity and soul into making that beautiful aqua interface? Maybe they're only making 25k per year and have to face a layoff next year because nobody gives a shit about Aqua anymore because anyone can get it anywhere for free now?
In court, you would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that everyone knows it's not osx. Which, I'm sure you would agree is a far-fetched proposal at best. Not everyone knows it isn't osx. Some people don't even know what an os is. Hard to believe but very true -and to a larger extent than you think. And really, that's beside the point. In Apple's case, osx is trade dress. The reason being that someone could use Aqua-ish graphics being *displayed* on a wintel pc to aid in the sale of that pc and thereby affect Apple's sales. Actually, I think there would be a better argument for this by calling it a willful dilution of product value by another company. But I'm not a student of law and I may have that wrong.
Oh really. I guess my comprehension skills just aren't up to yours.
What's going on here is a loser corporation with too many loser lawyers with nothing really important to do, trying to intimidate a website that specializes in skins that **kinda** look their OS..
No. What's going on here is that a bunch of people wasted the last two years of their pathetic lives pouring their creativity and soul into crafting a beautiful interface and people are ripping it off. You must've been that kid at the beach that kicked over the other kids' sand castles because they looked better than yours.
Why don't YOU "Get a clue.."
>>People who think that they have some deity given right to "own" something. Who said that you have the right to earn a living off of some ill-defined notion that humans have of property.
Damn straight! I just spent over 1000 man hours developing a trademarked high-performance CGI. If I ever find that someone has decided to use my trademark to help them sell their own goods I'll sue their colective ass off. This would be different if the program made itself. I wouldn't feel in any way inclined to do so in that instance. But that's not reality. The reality is that I put a lot of work into this and make no mistake about it... I OWN EVERY SINGLE MINUTE OF WORK THAT I PUT INTO IT. This is called intellectual property. If you're trying to imply that that intellectual property was created before I was or that something else like nature created it, then I *must* insist that you visit a drug rehab facility because the THC has taken over your mind.
Uh, okay. Are you trying to say that Red Hat is *not* interested in making as much money as MS and Intel? That maybe Red Hat does *not* employ aggressive, money-hungry marketing directors? While this may be true, I doubt it. Maybe I need to get a clue. Maybe you need to get a clue. I use Linux. But I'm not blind because of it.
So you'd rather do business with? Intel? Well, *they* certainly don't behave like that. Or maybe Microsoft? Nope, they don't don't do that either. Or maybe RedHat? Oh sure, they don't mind seeing other companies selling software with the RedHat logo on it.
C'mon guy! Your reasoning behind not doing business with Apple means you shouldn't be doing business with anyone. Maybe you should go into business for yourself. I'd like that because I'd be able to rip off all your work and sell it with my name on it. I know you wouldn't mind because you aren't like that. Right?
>>As for those who say that Internet-distributed apps via Mozilla-XUL or MS-.NET are the future, you are omitting an important human element: Territory. My workstation is my territory; I want to control it's config to suit my tastes, I want to determine its design tradeoffs (e.g. speed v. portability), etc. I would not be comfortable with getting all my apps via the Net no matter the speed, for it would just as weird as living in barracks and getting my toiletries by ration every morning. Wow! There's been something I haven't liked about the MS-.NET idea that's really been irking me. And it's not because it's a MS deal being crammed down people's throats. I think you nailed it with that one paragraph. Territory and toiletries really gives me the impression of communism and a vision of too much control by one company. I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, now I realize it won't work.
Sure looks like a flow of something. I'm surprised I haven't heard that it may actually be oil or some other liquid with a high boiling point. Does it have to be water? Another point that contradicts the contradiction that it was actually made by snow or a glacier a long time ago is the fact that one of the sequnces in the JPL archive shows a picture of a crater a year or two ago and one from recently with a significant geological change. If you look at the trail a boulder left on the side of the crater after it fell down it sure gives you the impression that what you see is what you get. I mean, the trail it left looks like a boulder rolled down the side of a sandy crater wall! So that suggests to me that if I see what looks like a flow, it's probably a flow. And it's probably recent. All the other boulder trails have already been filled in with sand or else we'd see them everywhere. Question is, how long does it take for the sand to cover the boulder trail? Guess we'll just have to wait and see. We know where to look now at least.
...Well, maybe if it was an African-American Floppy-D.
They'll never show a 3-1/2-inch Floppy D being mounted on the Discovery channel like they should.
Confucius once said, "It is better to remain a fool and keep one's mouth shut than to speak and remove all doubt" Sorry if I misquoted. I suppose that would make me the fool. Beer does that, I think. Social problems aside I think it's at least a forward-looking, healthy-minded approach to solving maybe some of their problems.
These are all pretty-much great pieces of advice from my point of view. You're in the software business now. Screw the business plan. Ship the first demo tomorrow. If it works on the customer's system you just generated desperately needed cash flow. If it doesn't, no damage. You can now get whatever investment you need without trying to polish a turd. If a customer wants their money back AND they want to keep the program... Do it! Let any customer rape you so they don't become indignant and call their lawyer. Or worse yet, bad-mouth your company to anyone, especially a potential customer. This is true on any level. And you can easily afford to do this because you followed the number one rule of business in the free market economy: "Charge what the market will bear." And as a side-note from my own experience, do not ever get PO'd at your partner(s) because things are going WAAAY slower than any of you had anticipated. As was said earlier, the amount of learning even during bad-times is ridiculously high even when it seems wrong. Good luck.
I haven't really been able to get the right numbers on this. Scenario: Linux and NT are afflicted with similar security breach. How long does it take for MS to plug hole? How long does it take for Linux to plug hole? Is it possible that everyone knowing how to get in is better than only fifteen people knowing how to get in? It really looks like MS is trying to do its best to compromise. Question is, will MS now fully share the information about how the system was breached? They can't do that because they've already painted themselves into the corner on that one. But my guess would be that they're gonna try to sell it like they were Linux incarnate. Well, not much of a guess I suppose.
I think it's really sick that every single one of us is posting a reply to this topic on a machine that is at least TWICE as powerful as one of those two calculators. (I'm REALLY bad with numerical comparisons... and capitalisation... and spelling). Really, buy the cheaper one. If you really gotta see a good graph use the calculator you typed your question/topic to slashdot on. I've taken as much math as the next guy and he'll tell you right off that the name 'o the calc' don't make it any easier. At least pick the one that LOOKS cooler. Matching apparel is a must. Now that I think about it, you must buy both. Yes, both. Tomorrow, kaki... HP. Then jeans... TI. I would definitely have to go with both. Trust me my man... Image is everything.