Taxes are a necessary evil. No one who lives in a country can say that they don't take advantage of some benefit of taxes. I might be able to move to another company, but I have to work for some company. Just as I have to live in some country and pay the corresponding taxes. A corporation doesn't tax me, but they sure as heck only pay me the minimum that they can get me for.
And then you'll get bored and start a business or work. I know many retired people that can't just 'sit around'. If you are a motivated person that doesn't go away.
Why would you say that? As long as the majority are NOT taking advantage of programs that will be cut then it will pass, assuming that all the people who have something to lose don't see some other advantage in it.
I've seen a few people say that they would start their own businesses IF they had a basic income to fall back on. It's understandable, because starting a business is a huge risk if you don't have family money to back you if it fails. This doesn't sound like promoting mediocrity to me at all, this sounds like allowing people to find their potential instead of withering away behind a desk.
Why is it ok for a CEO to make 800x the salary of everyone else working for their company? Why is that not considered living off of the hard work of others? What is the difference if the money comes through a private corporation or through the government?
The American Dream used to give people hope. Now it is becoming apparent that it was just a lie to get the non-wealthy to work harder for the wealthy. If that isn't cultural disruption I don't know what is.
- Much of the population is getting older and probably lonelier, with little retirement savings
- Families are very important for support yet people feel they must move away from that support structure in pursuit of a career
- The places where there are 'plentiful jobs' are becoming much more condensed; people must move where living is expensive and far away from work
- People run to the empty promise of social media to keep them connected and then find out social media really isn't a replacement for actual socializing
- Social media and technology in general has given bullies and mental abusers a much louder voice with a further reach
- We are losing anything to look forward to in the workplace. There used to be something called a career but today people pretty much hit their cap at 25, in fact you've won the lottery if you make it to 40 without getting laid off and having to start over.
- Life has been crowded out by work and long commutes. Working long hours used to be for people who were after a six figure salary. Today working long hours means you keep your job.
- The economy sucks, despite the fact that we are being told it doesn't.
- Changes on the horizon such as the sharing economy threaten to make the economy suck even more. What we are headed for something more than a depression economically speaking. We are headed for pure misery for 60% of the population.
- Most of the promises that America makes that keeps people vital.. promises like 'work hard and you can get ahead' and the 'american dream' are now apparently a bunch of meaningless lies. America only remains a truth for the wealthy. Everyone else is being sold down the river as the country ushers in cheap labor alternatives. We thought we had a better quality of life then the average person from India but now we are funding out there is no national interest in sustaining any of it.
Burger King moved it's headquarters to Canada, yet still does business in the US. Many technology companies are allowed to reach into India for resources as many times as they want to no matter where they are headquartered. There doesn't seem to be any kind of meaningful restrictions preventing companies from hopping borders in order to take the advantages of that nation. The sad part about this is that the labor in that nation is probably cheap because that nation has treated its people terribly.
It seems that a person needs to be an accountant, know an accountant, or have enough to pay for an account in order to take advantage of these progressive tax laws which are supposed to help us all.
Globalization has opened doors. These doors allow the misery of other third world nations to flow into the US. All are affected except of course for the wealthy who had the good sense to stand out of the way as they opened them.
Some people work to live, and don't want to be training all the time when they're off work. Not having personal time that is *really yours* is a reason for suicide right there.
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That depends where you live. It seems like the hotspots are shrinking and pulling everyone into crap living conditions.
Taxes are a necessary evil. No one who lives in a country can say that they don't take advantage of some benefit of taxes. I might be able to move to another company, but I have to work for some company. Just as I have to live in some country and pay the corresponding taxes. A corporation doesn't tax me, but they sure as heck only pay me the minimum that they can get me for.
Most Europeans understand the concept of common good. Only in America do citizens adamantly resist helpful programs from the government.
We're talking about poverty money here as a safety net. Not a million dollars.
My reasoning is that people will be self-interested, which is what I am seeing a lot of in this thread.
It has been said a few times that he has nothing to do with the policies that bankrupted them. He basically inherited the bag of turds.
The people who would sit around are on welfare anyway.. or out committing crimes.
Bitcoin can't buy enough of the Kool-Aid for you to drink?
You don't think living above the poverty line will be reason enough for people to become plumbers? Interesting stance.
And then you'll get bored and start a business or work. I know many retired people that can't just 'sit around'. If you are a motivated person that doesn't go away.
And I've been told by Slashdot peeps that EVERYONE in IT is making at least $100K and I must be an idiot if I'm not.
Why would you say that? As long as the majority are NOT taking advantage of programs that will be cut then it will pass, assuming that all the people who have something to lose don't see some other advantage in it.
No, this is social democracy. Basic income becomes just another government program for the good of the people.
I've seen a few people say that they would start their own businesses IF they had a basic income to fall back on. It's understandable, because starting a business is a huge risk if you don't have family money to back you if it fails. This doesn't sound like promoting mediocrity to me at all, this sounds like allowing people to find their potential instead of withering away behind a desk.
Well, some people don't like those things. Especially doing the same thing week after week.
Why is it ok for a CEO to make 800x the salary of everyone else working for their company? Why is that not considered living off of the hard work of others? What is the difference if the money comes through a private corporation or through the government?
Because America rewards large egos, and not solutions to problems.
The American Dream used to give people hope. Now it is becoming apparent that it was just a lie to get the non-wealthy to work harder for the wealthy. If that isn't cultural disruption I don't know what is.
- Much of the population is getting older and probably lonelier, with little retirement savings
- Families are very important for support yet people feel they must move away from that support structure in pursuit of a career
- The places where there are 'plentiful jobs' are becoming much more condensed; people must move where living is expensive and far away from work
- People run to the empty promise of social media to keep them connected and then find out social media really isn't a replacement for actual socializing
- Social media and technology in general has given bullies and mental abusers a much louder voice with a further reach
- We are losing anything to look forward to in the workplace. There used to be something called a career but today people pretty much hit their cap at 25, in fact you've won the lottery if you make it to 40 without getting laid off and having to start over.
- Life has been crowded out by work and long commutes. Working long hours used to be for people who were after a six figure salary. Today working long hours means you keep your job.
- The economy sucks, despite the fact that we are being told it doesn't.
- Changes on the horizon such as the sharing economy threaten to make the economy suck even more. What we are headed for something more than a depression economically speaking. We are headed for pure misery for 60% of the population.
- Most of the promises that America makes that keeps people vital.. promises like 'work hard and you can get ahead' and the 'american dream' are now apparently a bunch of meaningless lies. America only remains a truth for the wealthy. Everyone else is being sold down the river as the country ushers in cheap labor alternatives. We thought we had a better quality of life then the average person from India but now we are funding out there is no national interest in sustaining any of it.
Burger King moved it's headquarters to Canada, yet still does business in the US. Many technology companies are allowed to reach into India for resources as many times as they want to no matter where they are headquartered. There doesn't seem to be any kind of meaningful restrictions preventing companies from hopping borders in order to take the advantages of that nation. The sad part about this is that the labor in that nation is probably cheap because that nation has treated its people terribly.
It seems that a person needs to be an accountant, know an accountant, or have enough to pay for an account in order to take advantage of these progressive tax laws which are supposed to help us all.
Globalization has opened doors. These doors allow the misery of other third world nations to flow into the US. All are affected except of course for the wealthy who had the good sense to stand out of the way as they opened them.
Some people work to live, and don't want to be training all the time when they're off work. Not having personal time that is *really yours* is a reason for suicide right there.
Were you willing to move anywhere in the country?
One thing that keeps me from being suicidal is having local family support.
Not a mistake... he did exactly what the American dream dictates what people should do. Take a risk, carve out a happy life for yourself.