The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
...not to mention that the whole point of the Christian crusades mounted in 1099 were in response to the Islamic jihadist crusades that had been pounding ruthlessly for 300+ years on the doors of Europe.
After the Christian Crusades, Islam again started a second wave of jihadist crusading that was finally halted in Vienna in 1683 by the Polish king.
oh yeah. and that date was Sept.11, 1683.
and no, Islam had not been in palestine until mohamed decided to start a political/warfare campaign against everyone not bowing down to him and his idea of god.
Islam's war has been waging for 1400 years against anything not itself. Hamas, Hezbollah and the modern mujahideen and jihadist fighters are not crazy radicals that have hijacked a religion. These people are following Muhamad's ideology to the core. Read your Koran sometime, and remember two things: the Islamic doctrine of abrogation lets earlier commands be overruled by later commands
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The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
The problem with that, is Christianity is a relatively new religion to the people in that particular region of the world. No no, don't get yourself in a tizzy... Christianity did not exist before Christ... or are you saying that it was sheer luck that he happened to bear the last name that is the corner stone of the name of the religion that holds him in such High Esteem?
So these are people who as a people, have lived in that area before Christ was an itch in Big Daddy's pants (assuming that God wears pants). Trying to use *THAT* Religion as the determining factor in this, is like throwing Napalm over your house to make it fire-proof.
And some FYI to others that may read this... Romans used the term Palestine in reference to the very same region now referred to as Palestine. So the idea of Palestinian land dates back MUCH further than late 19th/early 20th century as some have suggested here. The Muslim Presence in Jerusalem began in the 7th century with the Arab conquest of Jerusalem. Oh, and also, as I've read here, apparently since they continue to fight, these people are accused of loving violence over food and over their children. Well, Christians must LOATHE their children, after rounding up 35,000 of them between the 4th and 5th Crusades and sending them off to fight a war. Of course, there was no Children's crusade, because those children were sold into slavery long before they ever got to the Holy Land. So neither side has clean hands in this. Not the participants, nor the observers.
...not to mention that the whole point of the Christian crusades mounted in 1099 were in response to the Islamic jihadist crusades that had been pounding ruthlessly for 300+ years on the doors of Europe. After the Christian Crusades, Islam again started a second wave of jihadist crusading that was finally halted in Vienna in 1683 by the Polish king. oh yeah. and that date was Sept.11, 1683. and no, Islam had not been in palestine until mohamed decided to start a political/warfare campaign against everyone not bowing down to him and his idea of god. Islam's war has been waging for 1400 years against anything not itself. Hamas, Hezbollah and the modern mujahideen and jihadist fighters are not crazy radicals that have hijacked a religion. These people are following Muhamad's ideology to the core. Read your Koran sometime, and remember two things: the Islamic doctrine of abrogation lets earlier commands be overruled by later commands