Juno was purchased by NetZero which is still chugging along (and advertising on TV). When you sign-up you can choose either netzero.com or juno.com
although there's no real difference (same company).
>>>Netscape? They pretty well killed that brand off years ago.
Nope. Netscape's portal page still exists (see below). It costs me $7 a month for accelerated dialup access. The actual browser was only discontinued two years ago (March 2008).
>>>Linux CD-ROM that has Firefox on it, connects to AOL, and uses KDE as a desktop.
Why did you choose KDE instead of the standard Gnome install? If because of "lightweightness," then Lubuntu (LXDE ubuntu) is actually better since it only needs 128 megabytes to run.
If I were AOL, I would have offered high-speed to all my current dialup customers, and then used my billions worth of wealth to install a fiber direct to their home.
I still use AOL Dialup service (except it's called Netscape ISP). I've been with AOL almost nonstop since 1988, when they were called Quantum Link (a kind of primitive web for graphics-based Commodore 64s).
$7/month is hard to beat, and I can access it anywhere there's a phone line (like in hotels).
Actually what usually happens is that "mother nature" carries the Monsanto-owned genes to standard natural plants, which absorb the genes and pass them on to their seedlings. Then Monsanto sues the farmers for owning their genes without paying for it, enve though it's not the farmers fault (it's the bees and wind that did it). Then the farmers find themselves driven into bankruptcy by legal expenses.
Pretty soon Monsanto will have driven all the independent farmers out of business, and they'll have no competition.
>>>People with degrees in their field make, on average, more money than people who do not
That assumes that you work every year until you retire. But with recent events (2000 dot-com crash; 2008-10 housing crash) where engineers/programmers are losing their jobs year after year, a factory worker who worked nonstop from age 18 to 70 would actually have a higher lifetime income.
I've already lost about 3 years worth of income since 1990, and two other software engineers I know lost 2 years because of layoffs. Subtract the ~$100,000 cost of college, and the net result is that my non-college friends are ahead of us in terms of lifetime income. And even when I did get back on path with engineering, I was making little more than a factory worker (my neighbor gets $25/hour at Kelloggs).
I think you're splitting hairs. You're trying to claim MacOS is alive and AmigaOS is dead, but that's simply not the case. Commodore went bankrupt, but the Amiga OS managed to survive... continuing on from Amiga OS3.0 to 3.5 to 3.9 and now 4.0
>>>MacOS X actually took off.
Until it was terminated and replaced with NeXT. So if I wanted to be anal like you are, then I could say MacOS is dead. But I won't do that because I think the distinction is trivial and pointless. So if your claim about Amiga OS 3.x/4.x not being real.
That's not really what I said - I was making the point that, given the choice between playing a game on the 64-color Amiga or a 4/16 color PC, the PC version of the game sucked.
>>>Before IBM jumped on the bandwagon, the little computers people bought for themselves were known as personal computers.
Not not really. They were called "kits" or "hobbyist computers" or "home computers" in the 70s. The term personal computer was a term that never existed prior to IBM inventing it.
Furthermore to say something like Atari 800 PC or Commodore Amiga PC or Apple Macintosh PC would have got you heavily flamed in the 1980s and 90s online forums. It was an insult against the users of these machines and the machines themselves. Today? Not so much but I'd still advise against it. Macintosh is a home computer. Not an IBM POS/2... I mean PC.
If you don't believe me, I challenge you to find an ad prior to 1982 with the phrase "personal computer". You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
>>>Especially coming from a Mac, don't you feel more than a little dirty having to hack the registry to get shit to work?
No because my Macs were never all that stable either. I've seen the spinning circle of death more times than I wanted to, and overall I'd rate Windows XP more stable than OS 6, 7, 9, or 10.2 were.
>>>9 1/2 year old Mac laptop... OS X 104, and can run all the things you listed.
It won't run the latest Safari (requires 10.5 and up) or iTunes (ditto). Firefox 4 won't be runnable either when it's released. So you wasted ~$200 on OS X upgrades, whereas I spent $0.00 upgrading my Win98 laptop that still runs virtually everything.
>>>my 2003 powerbook doesn't run snow leopard, but is now stuck at leopard, because it's a powerPC based machine,
I'm amazed. My powermac won't run 10.5 leopard at all, because the processor is too slow. And of course 10.4 is no longer supported by Apple, so that means I'm stuck running old, obsolete browsers. NOW contrast that with microsoft's long cycle, where Windows98 can still run the latest Firefox or Opera. Businesses demand that kind of long term support.
When I see updates I usually wait a month to see if there's word-of-mouth about problem with it. For example I had heard the recent Firefox update 3.6.Whatever broke people's Youtube Downloader Addons. i.e. It was buggy.
So I just didn't bother. However if the update had been forced, then I would have suffered the same problem those early adopters faced .
Toshiba is rated #2 in long term reliability, Apple is rated #4.
http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2010/04/most-reliable-laptop-brands-are.html - But of course you will now come back and tell me why thee FACTS should be ignored, in order to bolster your religious belief that Apple is better quality than Toshiba. It's like debating evolution with a Christian... you never get anywhere. .
>>>Windows laptops, unless they happen to be a Mac, are good for about a year and a half. Then they get pretty annoying. After 3 years, they are nearly unusable. By year 5, lets be honest, they collect dust and prevent papers from blowing away, and nothing else. >>>
My Winodws98 laptop is over ten years and works just fine. An OS 9 Macbook? Not so much. Won't run Opera, won't run Safari, won't run iTunes, won't run IE. (They all require 10.4 or higher.)
Not really. My friend's Acura has "Honda" stamped all over it - the windows, inside the glovebox, and on various parts of the engine. Same company; same parts; same basic car.
>>>Overpriced is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. If you're not familiar with the Apple platform
I've been using them off-and-on since 1991. I forget which model was my first, but it was a one piece so probably the Mac SE (68000 based). Then a Quadra (68040), then the first PowerMac, followed by a Power G4 model running 10.5
The reason I used Commodores, Amigas, and Macs was because Windows 3.x was a piece of shit. I'm not exaggerating. Worst desktop I've ever used.
>>>Toshibas feel like they're going to fall apart if you move them around too much
I've never used Toshibas**, but let's just assume you're correct*. When the Toshiba dies 4 or 5 years from now, you can then upgrade to the latest Windows NT 8 machine with 20-core CPU, and you will still have spent less money (about 800 dollars) than your four-year-old, aging MacBook cost you ($1000).
PC == shorthard for IBM PC or IBM PC compatible(s). To say something like Atari 800 PC or Commodore Amiga PC or Apple Macintosh PC would have got you heavily flamed in the 1980s and 90s online forums. It was an insult against the users of these machines and the machines themselves. Today? Not so much but I'd still advise against it.
Macintosh is a home computer. Not an IBM POS... I mean PC.
I'm not lying but maybe the teacher was - SHE'S the one who said it cost her $1500.
The cheapest MacBook is still $1000..... still a hell of a lot more than $350 or $450 for the WIN7 machine. Way overpriced. Why buy an Acura when a Honda is just as good (and made by the same company besides)?
>>>That means they are still at home, still largely unphased by the costs of college
Good point. A former teacher just asked my recommendation for her college-bound kid. I searched the advertisements and said, "Here's a nice HP laptop for $350, or you can get the better Toshiba with double the RAM for $450. Both hav the latest Windows 7 OS." Well my ex-teacher followed my advice but her kid had a fit and insisted she "had" to have a MacBook...... they ended-up spending $1500.
Kids don't care if they drive their parents into bankruptcy. Or whether or not they can get Linux for free. They want what they want, regardless of cost. ----- (Oh and don't give me crap about Macs being better - the $1500 model actually had 1 GB less memory and 500 megahertz slower speed than the $450 Toshiba laptop.)
>>>I do not think Linux is such a terrible operating system that it would see no use whatsoever
Maybe it is being used, but the students checked "Windows" because that's the primary OS installed on their machine? I'm surrpsied how far Mac has come. When I visited Penn State 1.5 years ago, I went to all the old Mac labs but they no longer existed. Everything had been converted to IBM PC compatibles. Ditto another local college which had just 6 Macs on the whole campus (located in the music building).
So it surprises me that colleges have seemingly gone 100% PC when their own students are choosing a 50-50 split. I wonder why the schools no longer have Mac labs as they had in the 90s?
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Juno was purchased by NetZero which is still chugging along (and advertising on TV).
When you sign-up you can choose either netzero.com or juno.com
although there's no real difference (same company).
Probably about the same number of households that watch TV via an antenna (i.e. 20 million).
>>>Netscape? They pretty well killed that brand off years ago.
Nope. Netscape's portal page still exists (see below). It costs me $7 a month for accelerated dialup access. The actual browser was only discontinued two years ago (March 2008).
http://isp.netscape.com/
http://www.getnetscape.com/ (for new customers)
>>>Linux CD-ROM that has Firefox on it, connects to AOL, and uses KDE as a desktop.
Why did you choose KDE instead of the standard Gnome install? If because of "lightweightness," then Lubuntu (LXDE ubuntu) is actually better since it only needs 128 megabytes to run.
If I were AOL, I would have offered high-speed to all my current dialup customers, and then used my billions worth of wealth to install a fiber direct to their home.
>>>Are they still selling dial-up service?
I still use AOL Dialup service (except it's called Netscape ISP). I've been with AOL almost nonstop since 1988, when they were called Quantum Link (a kind of primitive web for graphics-based Commodore 64s).
$7/month is hard to beat, and I can access it anywhere there's a phone line (like in hotels).
Actually what usually happens is that "mother nature" carries the Monsanto-owned genes to standard natural plants, which absorb the genes and pass them on to their seedlings. Then Monsanto sues the farmers for owning their genes without paying for it, enve though it's not the farmers fault (it's the bees and wind that did it). Then the farmers find themselves driven into bankruptcy by legal expenses.
Pretty soon Monsanto will have driven all the independent farmers out of business, and they'll have no competition.
Isn't copyright great?
>>>People with degrees in their field make, on average, more money than people who do not
That assumes that you work every year until you retire. But with recent events (2000 dot-com crash; 2008-10 housing crash) where engineers/programmers are losing their jobs year after year, a factory worker who worked nonstop from age 18 to 70 would actually have a higher lifetime income.
I've already lost about 3 years worth of income since 1990, and two other software engineers I know lost 2 years because of layoffs. Subtract the ~$100,000 cost of college, and the net result is that my non-college friends are ahead of us in terms of lifetime income. And even when I did get back on path with engineering, I was making little more than a factory worker (my neighbor gets $25/hour at Kelloggs).
I think you're splitting hairs. You're trying to claim MacOS is alive and AmigaOS is dead, but that's simply not the case. Commodore went bankrupt, but the Amiga OS managed to survive... continuing on from Amiga OS3.0 to 3.5 to 3.9 and now 4.0
>>>MacOS X actually took off.
Until it was terminated and replaced with NeXT. So if I wanted to be anal like you are, then I could say MacOS is dead. But I won't do that because I think the distinction is trivial and pointless. So if your claim about Amiga OS 3.x/4.x not being real.
That's not really what I said - I was making the point that, given the choice between playing a game on the 64-color Amiga or a 4/16 color PC, the PC version of the game sucked.
>>>Before IBM jumped on the bandwagon, the little computers people bought for themselves were known as personal computers.
Not not really. They were called "kits" or "hobbyist computers" or "home computers" in the 70s. The term personal computer was a term that never existed prior to IBM inventing it.
Furthermore to say something like Atari 800 PC or Commodore Amiga PC or Apple Macintosh PC would have got you heavily flamed in the 1980s and 90s online forums. It was an insult against the users of these machines and the machines themselves. Today? Not so much but I'd still advise against it. Macintosh is a home computer. Not an IBM POS/2... I mean PC.
If you don't believe me, I challenge you to find an ad
prior to 1982 with the phrase "personal computer".
You won't find it because it doesn't exist.
>>>Especially coming from a Mac, don't you feel more than a little dirty having to hack the registry to get shit to work?
No because my Macs were never all that stable either. I've seen the spinning circle of death more times than I wanted to, and overall I'd rate Windows XP more stable than OS 6, 7, 9, or 10.2 were.
>>>9 1/2 year old Mac laptop... OS X 104, and can run all the things you listed.
It won't run the latest Safari (requires 10.5 and up) or iTunes (ditto). Firefox 4 won't be runnable either when it's released. So you wasted ~$200 on OS X upgrades, whereas I spent $0.00 upgrading my Win98 laptop that still runs virtually everything.
>>>my 2003 powerbook doesn't run snow leopard, but is now stuck at leopard, because it's a powerPC based machine,
I'm amazed. My powermac won't run 10.5 leopard at all, because the processor is too slow. And of course 10.4 is no longer supported by Apple, so that means I'm stuck running old, obsolete browsers. NOW contrast that with microsoft's long cycle, where Windows98 can still run the latest Firefox or Opera. Businesses demand that kind of long term support.
>>>Most of the rest comes from being in actual contact with other people.
Especially the female kind.
j/k. I actually did gain most of my knowledge from homework solutions, not from people or my professors (who were great at putting me to sleep).
When I see updates I usually wait a month to see if there's word-of-mouth about problem with it. For example I had heard the recent Firefox update 3.6.Whatever broke people's Youtube Downloader Addons. i.e. It was buggy.
So I just didn't bother. However if the update had been forced, then I would have suffered the same problem those early adopters faced
.
>>>you are missing an important detail: quality.
Toshiba is rated #2 in long term reliability,
Apple is rated #4.
http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2010/04/most-reliable-laptop-brands-are.html - But of course you will now come back and tell me why thee FACTS should be ignored, in order to bolster your religious belief that Apple is better quality than Toshiba. It's like debating evolution with a Christian... you never get anywhere.
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>>>Windows laptops, unless they happen to be a Mac, are good for about a year and a half. Then they get pretty annoying. After 3 years, they are nearly unusable. By year 5, lets be honest, they collect dust and prevent papers from blowing away, and nothing else.
>>>
My Winodws98 laptop is over ten years and works just fine.
An OS 9 Macbook? Not so much.
Won't run Opera, won't run Safari, won't run iTunes, won't run IE. (They all require 10.4 or higher.)
>>>They use the SAME INSTRUCTION SET.
No they really don't. It's why you can't run Mac OS on an IBM PC-compatible, without some major hacking.
>>>Because they're different!
Not really. My friend's Acura has "Honda" stamped all over it - the windows, inside the glovebox, and on various parts of the engine. Same company; same parts; same basic car.
>>>Overpriced is your opinion, and you're welcome to it. If you're not familiar with the Apple platform
I've been using them off-and-on since 1991. I forget which model was my first, but it was a one piece so probably the Mac SE (68000 based). Then a Quadra (68040), then the first PowerMac, followed by a Power G4 model running 10.5
The reason I used Commodores, Amigas, and Macs was because Windows 3.x was a piece of shit. I'm not exaggerating. Worst desktop I've ever used.
>>>Toshibas feel like they're going to fall apart if you move them around too much
I've never used Toshibas**, but let's just assume you're correct*. When the Toshiba dies 4 or 5 years from now, you can then upgrade to the latest Windows NT 8 machine with 20-core CPU, and you will still have spent less money (about 800 dollars) than your four-year-old, aging MacBook cost you ($1000).
* :-) http://voyager8.blogspot.com/2010/04/most-reliable-laptop-brands-are.html
* You're probably wrong. Toshiba is rated as the 2nd most reliable brand. Apple's #4.
*
** Personally I'm waiting for an AmigaBook.
FYI: Macs are PCs by definition.
Only if you want to insult it.
PC == shorthard for IBM PC or IBM PC compatible(s). To say something like Atari 800 PC or Commodore Amiga PC or Apple Macintosh PC would have got you heavily flamed in the 1980s and 90s online forums. It was an insult against the users of these machines and the machines themselves. Today? Not so much but I'd still advise against it.
Macintosh is a home computer.
Not an IBM POS... I mean PC.
I'm not lying but maybe the teacher was - SHE'S the one who said it cost her $1500.
The cheapest MacBook is still $1000..... still a hell of a lot more than $350 or $450 for the WIN7 machine. Way overpriced. Why buy an Acura when a Honda is just as good (and made by the same company besides)?
>>>That means they are still at home, still largely unphased by the costs of college
Good point. A former teacher just asked my recommendation for her college-bound kid. I searched the advertisements and said, "Here's a nice HP laptop for $350, or you can get the better Toshiba with double the RAM for $450. Both hav the latest Windows 7 OS." Well my ex-teacher followed my advice but her kid had a fit and insisted she "had" to have a MacBook...... they ended-up spending $1500.
Kids don't care if they drive their parents into bankruptcy. Or whether or not they can get Linux for free. They want what they want, regardless of cost. ----- (Oh and don't give me crap about Macs being better - the $1500 model actually had 1 GB less memory and 500 megahertz slower speed than the $450 Toshiba laptop.)
>>>I do not think Linux is such a terrible operating system that it would see no use whatsoever
Maybe it is being used, but the students checked "Windows" because that's the primary OS installed on their machine? I'm surrpsied how far Mac has come. When I visited Penn State 1.5 years ago, I went to all the old Mac labs but they no longer existed. Everything had been converted to IBM PC compatibles. Ditto another local college which had just 6 Macs on the whole campus (located in the music building).
So it surprises me that colleges have seemingly gone 100% PC when their own students are choosing a 50-50 split.
I wonder why the schools no longer have Mac labs as they had in the 90s?