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POSTER 1 - EU mandated that they be listed by market share. POSTER 2 - Where? POSTER 1 - It's in the summary. POSTER 2 - No it isn't. Where did you read the EU mandated that? POSTER 2 - (silence)
I've tried Lynx multiple times, but always end-up returning to "Links". I think it's more user-friendly and easier to read the sites (like slashdot).
The thing I like about these browsers is that you can have them open at work, and to your boss they look like esoteric programming Terminal windows rather than browsers. i.e. He thinks you're working.;-)
That was my initial thought, but then I realized that most of the bottom 7 browsers are actually Internet Explorer clones, so that too is needless duplication. If there will be duplication of the IE suite, why not have duplication of the Mozilla suite too?
Besides seaMonkey is a nice small footprint service - smaller than Firefox and provides additional services like Email, Chat, and Usenet newsgroups. I think it's worth listing.
I re-read the summary. I don't see any place where the EU Government *mandates* MS display the top 12 most-popular browsers. My reading of the summary doesn't tell us who made that decision, and I initially assumed it was Microsoft itself.
So I googled it: "The EU said Tuesday that European users will be asked to choose in a Web browser bake-off among 12 free Web browsers." - http://www.crn.com/software/223101178
I use SeaMonkey on my Puppy Linux install. Why? Because it has a smaller memory footprint that allows it to fit inside RAM without needing virtual mem thrashing (HDD). So YES some people would rather use SeaMonkey than Firefox, and it really should be listed as an option rather than left off. I'm surprised no one from that team complained.
At least they included Opera. It's a good browser - the only flaw is the constant need to "mask as firefox" or "mask as explorer" since many websites refuse to talk to Opera. I wish there was a universal setting for masking. (shrug) I like the built-in Turbo mode for slow dialup or cellphone connections.
>>>Wow, someone who claims that the wealthy pay too much in taxes --
STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. I never said that. Please don't put words into my mouth.
On the contrary I think the amount of taxes the wealthy pay is just fine, and figure they (Bill Gates, Trump, Apple Corporation, et cetera) can take care of themselves without my help. My main concern is those $100,000 or below, who I don't think should have to pay any U.S. income tax. But anyone above that? Let them fend for themselves.
>>>It would be pretty presumptuous of Obama to include his as-yet-unpassed health reform bill in this year's budget, wouldn't it?
Yes it is. And yet that's exactly what he did: He assumed in his budget that the Health Bill passed in 2010 and included the corresponding "savings" from it during years 2011 to 2017.
Even so, he still shows +1 trillion in added debt each of those years.
>>>anyone who wants to start one probably is going to have to dig up the roads to start.
No not really. Must cities and suburbs have metal pipes that carry the cable, DSL, and other service lines. A competitor simply needs to run his fiber through that government-owned metal pipe.
The REAL blockage is the government itself, which gives Comcast and Verizon an exclusive license and therefore no other competitors can enter. The government is the problem (per usual).
>>>You have joined a political party which on the whole is functionally racist, ideologically homophobic and has numerous policies which are anti-intellectual to the core >>>
Yes, but that's still better than the Democratic Party alternative, which wants to give unlimited power to the central U.S. government, like a modernized version of Lenin Socialist-Communism, and treat all the citizens as too stupid to run their own lives (i.e. like serfs), therefore the government will make decisions FOR us.
I'm choosing the lesser evil of the two, because I HATE democratic anti-freedom policies.
>>>You have to be willfully ignorant to completely ignore the massive failings of our two current political parties and want to be a member.
So..... what now? Am I supposed to join the Libertarians or other third party??? When I was a registered Libertarian my preferred (L) candidate *never* won any races, so to continue supporting a losing team would be even more moronic.
The Republicans may have screwed-up from 2002 to 2008 with their warhawk policy, but the rest of their history is generally towards small government. Not perfect, no, but at least they have the ability to kick out the Big government-loving Democrats. (Which is no doubt why my favorite Congressman, Ron Paul, also abandoned the L's and went R.)
>>>Have not met a democrat with an altar to any human being at all.
Then you're not looking closely enough. There are several current and former staffmembers on President's Obama's team that are avowed communists. They may not have literal altars but it's clear they have a great deal of admiration for folks like Marx or Mao. QUOTE ANITA DUNN (communications director): "My two favorite philosophers are Mother Theresa and Mao Tse Tung." She then goes on to explain why she admires mass-murderer Chairman Mao's accomplishments. VAN JONES is another communist who Obama personally selected for his staff.
>>>prejudice.
It's not prejudice. It's an observation about specific individuals. Which IS acceptable.
>>>they are you employee, keep on their back, force them to listen
Ahhhh so young. So naive. Here's a portion of an email I sent to my Senator: "re: The debate over cutting PBS' funding: Please do cut them. We live in a 100-channel universe with many, many channels such as TLC, Discovery, History, and so on to fill PBS' role. PBS was important in the 1960s when it was a 3-channel universe, but today it's been sidelined and is no longer crucial. Furthermore I never watch PBS, and feel no desire to fund something I don't watch --- let PBS stand on donations from its viewers and/or advertising....." et cetera.
His reply: "Yes I agree that PBS should receive more funds and I plan to fight this cut in their funding....." and so on.
They DON'T listen. They are like an employee that ignores everything you say.
It's interesting you bring that up, because Massachusetts as well as most of the original 13 Member States still had official religions in 1776. One of the founders, Thomas Jefferson, considered it his second greatest accomplishment when he finally abolished Virginia's official state-sponsored religion, and amended the VA Constitution to allow freedom of worship. ("Whether my neighbor worships on god or many gods matters not to me...")
So did religion have a major impact on the first 50 years of this nation?
>>>God - religion - Two very separate and very different things: One can be taught. The other is pure faith and belongs in a church, not a classroom. >>>
You first.
Stop teaching that Earth is a "mother" and needs us to worship the holy beauty or we shall all surely kill her. Amen. ----- I'm all for not polluting our planet or our air (emissions controls on cars and power plants), but lately schools have been taking this stuff in a fashion where my niece sounds like she's WORSHIPING at school instead of learning bare facts.
I would laugh if your comment was not so insulting.
I'm a Republican and ever since I left college I've been listening to college lectures on tape, in order to expand my knowledge of history and philosophy. The idea that I must be stupid because I have an (R) after my name is almost as insulting when Pres.Carter said I must be "racist" because I attended a Tea Party Rally last April 15.
Stop prejudging people as groups.
We are not groups. We are individuals which means we ALL think differently, even if we do share the same label. Not all Republicans are uneducated brutes, or racists, just as not all Democrats have altars to Marx or Mao.
You guys are making a strong argument for why the government (Texas or otherwise) should not have a monopoly on Education funds. I'm surprised you are not demanding tax exemptions so you can send your kids to a private school which teaches evolution and atheism. (Yes I'm serious.)
I know if I was a politician, I would push very hard to make children that attend private school be exempt from school tax for that one year. Why should they pay for a classroom they are not using? That's like Comcast demanding you pay for Cable TV even when you have a Dish, or Apple demanding you pay for OS X when you chose to run windows or linux instead.
Monopolies are anti-freedom-of-choice..... it doesn't matter if the monopoly is a private company or the government. BOTH are wrong and BOTH should be broken apart whereever they happen.
>>>college has a way of forcefully opening your mind
Yeah it does. It teaches you that FDR was the savor that ended the Depression (he did not), and does not tell you about the Depression of 1920 which was actually worse in terms of drop in GDP/unemployment, but only lasted a year because the government wisely cut spending (which provided extra funds for businesses to recover). College also does not tell you about the existence of Amendments 9 and 10 in our Bill of Rights, and leads you to believe that the U.S. Congress has practically no limits on its power (obviously not true).
It took me about 5 years to unbrainwash myself of that pro-"government is your daddy" bullshit that high school and college put into my head. Government is not your friend. Government is the enemy, as the ~100 million dead citizens of the last century can attest. They trusted their governments, and the government rounded them up, lined them up against a wall, and shot them in the head.
Take some time and read the words from the Founding Fathers and others in the Age of Enlightenment (1600s-1700s). Why? Because college conveniently skipped over that part of history. Like this one: "The powers of the central government are few and explicitly defined, while those of the state governments are several." - Madison, author of the Constitution. Or: "It is only to protect our rights that we resort to government." - Jefferson. Or: "What is the militia? Why it is the whole of the People of course." - Patrick Henry
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You aren't following the thread of this conversation:
POSTER 1 - EU mandated that they be listed by market share.
POSTER 2 - Where?
POSTER 1 - It's in the summary.
POSTER 2 - No it isn't. Where did you read the EU mandated that?
POSTER 2 - (silence)
Here's the usage share in Europe from one year ago (Q1 2009). I'm trying to find more recent data:
IE 67.7%
FF 25.3%
Safari 2.6%
Opera 1.4%
Chrome 1.0%
>>>Hey! Where's Lynx?
I've tried Lynx multiple times, but always end-up returning to "Links". I think it's more user-friendly and easier to read the sites (like slashdot).
The thing I like about these browsers is that you can have them open at work, and to your boss they look like esoteric programming Terminal windows rather than browsers. i.e. He thinks you're working. ;-)
>>>Seamonkey would just be needless duplication
That was my initial thought, but then I realized that most of the bottom 7 browsers are actually Internet Explorer clones, so that too is needless duplication. If there will be duplication of the IE suite, why not have duplication of the Mozilla suite too?
Besides seaMonkey is a nice small footprint service - smaller than Firefox and provides additional services like Email, Chat, and Usenet newsgroups. I think it's worth listing.
I re-read the summary. I don't see any place where the EU Government *mandates* MS display the top 12 most-popular browsers. My reading of the summary doesn't tell us who made that decision, and I initially assumed it was Microsoft itself.
So I googled it: "The EU said Tuesday that European users will be asked to choose in a Web browser bake-off among 12 free Web browsers." - http://www.crn.com/software/223101178
>>>Real men use Wget or Curl.
Bah. Humbug! Bullsh*t. 64K ought to be enough for anybody surfing the web:
Bootup - http://www.b-sting.nl/commodore64/
HyperLink 64 - http://www.armory.com/~spectre/cwi/hl/shots.html
I use SeaMonkey on my Puppy Linux install. Why? Because it has a smaller memory footprint that allows it to fit inside RAM without needing virtual mem thrashing (HDD). So YES some people would rather use SeaMonkey than Firefox, and it really should be listed as an option rather than left off. I'm surprised no one from that team complained.
At least they included Opera. It's a good browser - the only flaw is the constant need to "mask as firefox" or "mask as explorer" since many websites refuse to talk to Opera. I wish there was a universal setting for masking. (shrug) I like the built-in Turbo mode for slow dialup or cellphone connections.
That's the first I've heard that. Where did you read that the EU government is enforcing which of the 12 browsers should be presented?
I'm surprised that Mozilla's SeaMonkey is not in there.
Or Netscape 9. I've never heard of those other browsers (except Meleon).
>>>Wow, someone who claims that the wealthy pay too much in taxes --
STRAWMAN ARGUMENT. I never said that. Please don't put words into my mouth.
On the contrary I think the amount of taxes the wealthy pay is just fine, and figure they (Bill Gates, Trump, Apple Corporation, et cetera) can take care of themselves without my help. My main concern is those $100,000 or below, who I don't think should have to pay any U.S. income tax. But anyone above that? Let them fend for themselves.
>>>Government spending is not trying to reinflate a bubble. It is ensuring that the economy returns to producing somewhere near its capacity.
>>>
In other words it's trying to reinflate the bubble (a level higher than the economy truly supports).
>>>It would be pretty presumptuous of Obama to include his as-yet-unpassed health reform bill in this year's budget, wouldn't it?
Yes it is.
And yet that's exactly what he did:
He assumed in his budget that the Health Bill passed in 2010
and included the corresponding "savings" from it during years 2011 to 2017.
Even so, he still shows +1 trillion in added debt each of those years.
Yeah Europe's really doing great.
Iceland - bankrupt
Greece - bankrupt
And the other states like the UK and France are teetering on the brink.....
>>>THE PEOPLE are not biased in favor of more US government power and therefore this bias doesn't exist.
Actually they are. Every time the People vote to give themselves free stuff, they present a bias in favor of more government and towards serfdom.
>>>anyone who wants to start one probably is going to have to dig up the roads to start.
No not really. Must cities and suburbs have metal pipes that carry the cable, DSL, and other service lines. A competitor simply needs to run his fiber through that government-owned metal pipe.
The REAL blockage is the government itself, which gives Comcast and Verizon an exclusive license and therefore no other competitors can enter. The government is the problem (per usual).
Most economists now agree the FDR's actions either made the Depression worse, or did nothing at all. It ultimately did not end until 1951.
>>>You have joined a political party which on the whole is functionally racist, ideologically homophobic and has numerous policies which are anti-intellectual to the core
>>>
Yes, but that's still better than the Democratic Party alternative, which wants to give unlimited power to the central U.S. government, like a modernized version of Lenin Socialist-Communism, and treat all the citizens as too stupid to run their own lives (i.e. like serfs), therefore the government will make decisions FOR us.
I'm choosing the lesser evil of the two, because I HATE democratic anti-freedom policies.
>>>You have to be willfully ignorant to completely ignore the massive failings of our two current political parties and want to be a member.
So..... what now? Am I supposed to join the Libertarians or other third party??? When I was a registered Libertarian my preferred (L) candidate *never* won any races, so to continue supporting a losing team would be even more moronic.
The Republicans may have screwed-up from 2002 to 2008 with their warhawk policy, but the rest of their history is generally towards small government. Not perfect, no, but at least they have the ability to kick out the Big government-loving Democrats. (Which is no doubt why my favorite Congressman, Ron Paul, also abandoned the L's and went R.)
>>>Have not met a democrat with an altar to any human being at all.
Then you're not looking closely enough. There are several current and former staffmembers on President's Obama's team that are avowed communists. They may not have literal altars but it's clear they have a great deal of admiration for folks like Marx or Mao. QUOTE ANITA DUNN (communications director): "My two favorite philosophers are Mother Theresa and Mao Tse Tung." She then goes on to explain why she admires mass-murderer Chairman Mao's accomplishments. VAN JONES is another communist who Obama personally selected for his staff.
>>>prejudice.
It's not prejudice. It's an observation about specific individuals. Which IS acceptable.
>>>they are you employee, keep on their back, force them to listen
Ahhhh so young. So naive. Here's a portion of an email I sent to my Senator: "re: The debate over cutting PBS' funding: Please do cut them. We live in a 100-channel universe with many, many channels such as TLC, Discovery, History, and so on to fill PBS' role. PBS was important in the 1960s when it was a 3-channel universe, but today it's been sidelined and is no longer crucial. Furthermore I never watch PBS, and feel no desire to fund something I don't watch --- let PBS stand on donations from its viewers and/or advertising....." et cetera.
His reply: "Yes I agree that PBS should receive more funds and I plan to fight this cut in their funding....." and so on.
They DON'T listen.
They are like an employee
that ignores everything you say.
It's interesting you bring that up, because Massachusetts as well as most of the original 13 Member States still had official religions in 1776. One of the founders, Thomas Jefferson, considered it his second greatest accomplishment when he finally abolished Virginia's official state-sponsored religion, and amended the VA Constitution to allow freedom of worship. ("Whether my neighbor worships on god or many gods matters not to me...")
So did religion have a major impact on the first 50 years of this nation?
Hell yes. ;-)
Yet another prejudiced remark/insult (stereotyping based upon their group, rather than as individuals).
Boy you're really showing your superiority there. (Not.)
>>>God - religion - Two very separate and very different things: One can be taught. The other is pure faith and belongs in a church, not a classroom.
>>>
You first.
Stop teaching that Earth is a "mother" and needs us to worship the holy beauty or we shall all surely kill her. Amen. ----- I'm all for not polluting our planet or our air (emissions controls on cars and power plants), but lately schools have been taking this stuff in a fashion where my niece sounds like she's WORSHIPING at school instead of learning bare facts.
I would laugh if your comment was not so insulting.
I'm a Republican and ever since I left college I've been listening to college lectures on tape, in order to expand my knowledge of history and philosophy. The idea that I must be stupid because I have an (R) after my name is almost as insulting when Pres.Carter said I must be "racist" because I attended a Tea Party Rally last April 15.
Stop prejudging people as groups.
We are not groups. We are individuals which means we ALL think differently, even if we do share the same label. Not all Republicans are uneducated brutes, or racists, just as not all Democrats have altars to Marx or Mao.
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You guys are making a strong argument for why the government (Texas or otherwise) should not have a monopoly on Education funds. I'm surprised you are not demanding tax exemptions so you can send your kids to a private school which teaches evolution and atheism. (Yes I'm serious.)
I know if I was a politician, I would push very hard to make children that attend private school be exempt from school tax for that one year. Why should they pay for a classroom they are not using? That's like Comcast demanding you pay for Cable TV even when you have a Dish, or Apple demanding you pay for OS X when you chose to run windows or linux instead.
Monopolies are anti-freedom-of-choice..... it doesn't matter if the monopoly is a private company or the government. BOTH are wrong and BOTH should be broken apart whereever they happen.
>>>college has a way of forcefully opening your mind
Yeah it does. It teaches you that FDR was the savor that ended the Depression (he did not), and does not tell you about the Depression of 1920 which was actually worse in terms of drop in GDP/unemployment, but only lasted a year because the government wisely cut spending (which provided extra funds for businesses to recover). College also does not tell you about the existence of Amendments 9 and 10 in our Bill of Rights, and leads you to believe that the U.S. Congress has practically no limits on its power (obviously not true).
It took me about 5 years to unbrainwash myself of that pro-"government is your daddy" bullshit that high school and college put into my head. Government is not your friend. Government is the enemy, as the ~100 million dead citizens of the last century can attest. They trusted their governments, and the government rounded them up, lined them up against a wall, and shot them in the head.
Take some time and read the words from the Founding Fathers and others in the Age of Enlightenment (1600s-1700s). Why? Because college conveniently skipped over that part of history. Like this one: "The powers of the central government are few and explicitly defined, while those of the state governments are several." - Madison, author of the Constitution. Or: "It is only to protect our rights that we resort to government." - Jefferson. Or: "What is the militia? Why it is the whole of the People of course." - Patrick Henry