>>>99% do not have the money to pay for their own care, the reality is most private bankruptcies are the result of a medical issue.
False. Over 90% of personal bankruptcies are caused by too much debt, either on credit cards or mortgages. .
>>>who do you think pays when the patient files bankruptcy?
Bill Gates or his equivalent CEO. It comes out of the corporate profits and pockets of the CEOs, executives, and managers (who get smaller bonuses as a result). That's progressivism in action - take money from the rich.
>>.the rest of the goddamn civilized world shows us that the system we're trying to build here is the one that actually works, and it is ours that is the known-broken one. >>>
No not really. Out current system is the better system, and the stats back that up:
OVERALL CANCER SURVIVAL RATE WOMEN American - 63 European - 56% MEN American 66% European 47% (The best is Sweden at just 61% - the UK is only 45%)
PREVENTATIVE CARE - regular annual pap smears American - 85% British - 58% PREVENTATIVE CARE - regular annual mammograms American - 84% British - 63% Australia; Canada; New Zealand - 69%
PROSTATE 5-YEAR CANCER SURVIVOR RATE 99%- United States 89% - Canada 77% - United Kingdom
>>>That's a very good point, it's a known fact non-citizens and illegal immigrants don't get sick or need help in any way.
Sarcasm set aside..... it's also a known fact the illegals are not eligible, even if Obamacare passed. So you'd still have about 10 million uninsured Americans under an Uncle Sam HMO system.
- the law - a constitution (tradition) that was supreme to the government - engineering of buildings, waterways, et cetera - overthrow of monarchs and replacing them with an elected republic - rationality above all, even in warfare (the soldiers operated like a machine)
All of that was invented while Rome was still just a fledgling city-state.
I didn't say you can't study art, theater, or football.
I said it shouldn't be mandated, or have extremely-limited tax dollars wasted upon it. Mandatory courses should be those that reap a monetary reward at the end of the study, such that children can have jobs to support their families. An art, drama, or football class merely leads to the unemployment line.
Furthermore... I hated every single momemt that I was forced to spend in art, music, and gym classes. I got Ds and Fs. I cosnidered that TORTURE and don't see why I had to be tortured like that as a child. So take your damn classes, and your damn torture and shove them up your ass
>>>Is it indoctrination to show a child that 2 + 2 =4?
If there's a religion that believes 2 + 2 = 5, then yes you are in violation of the parents' rights to teach whatever beliefs they may hold within their community.
On the other hand, maybe you're one of those who thinks we don't need parents or communities - - - that children are owned by the State and parent/community wishes don't matter. That's the path to tyranny by the leaders. It's also the kind of justification that was used to execute Jews during the 1940s, or Christians in 100s/200s A.D. Rome
>>>...and so once again the constitution proves what an utter fail it is. Situations change over time
Well then I guess it's a good thing the Constitution can be amended. If you think we need Congress to regulate the schools via the DOE, then follow the proper procedure and add an amendment that reads, "Congress shall provide schools for the education of minors" or something similar. Don't just ignore the Tenth Amendment as if it doesn't exist. .
>>>the idea that the constitution should always be followed indefinitely
The purpose of a Constitution is to stop the government in D.C. from turning into a dictatorial (or oligarchical) throne of power as happened in the Roman Republic 2100 years ago. It is the Supreme Law of the Land and needs to be followed, else the government shall be restrained by no law whatsoever. We will have chaos.
This is no different from the Treaty of Lisbon, which defines what powers the EU government may exercise, and reserves all other powers to the Member States.
Hamilton was a Federalist, the party that passed the anti-free-speech Alien & Sedition Acts which was the 1790s equivalent to the Patriot Act. He was also the guy who hatched the plan to pay Revolutionary War veterans ~60 cents on the dollar, rather than pay the full amount of money published on the Bonds (the form of payment used during the war). i.e. Hamilton was an ass who enjoyed screwing the common man. His opinions are as valueless to me as the opinions of Dubya Bush.
Yeah but Hamilton did not write the Constitution. James Madison is the author of the words and best knows their meaning.
He said, "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity." (Federalist 41)
He further clarifies: "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." (James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792)
And finally if you're still confused, just read the Supreme Law for yourself, which makes clear most powers belong to the State governments, not Congress: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
>>>Except that regulating interstate commerce *is* delegated to the United States by the Constitution.
Yes true, but my cable company operates completely-and-totally within my state. That is true of most cable companies, therefore the interstate clause does not apply, and the authority to revoke the monopoly belongs to Virginia.
The answer is simple: The local government owns both the street and the pipe under the street. Comcast and Verizon and the electric company each own their separate wires that run through the pipe.
>>>A side note -- the remnants of a hurricane are NOTHING. It's just a storm;
How completely RUDE and arrogant of you to say that. The southern half of Baltimore was completely under water as the storm raged, and there was flooding all up-and-down the Chesapeake Bay and Potomac Inlet. Furthermore we have trees in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware that the storm took and *broke in half* and tossed them like twigs to crush cars & homes. It wasn't as bad as the devastation from 1972 Hurricane Agnus, but it was pretty close. How DARE you dismiss the inflicted pain as "not a storm" you self-centered asshole.
You say that as a bad thing, but then ignore that children are being taught Evolution against the wishes of the parents, and in violation of their religious beliefs. It seems to me that ANY kind of indoctrination is wrong.
I guess it depends what the EULA means by "server". ALL computers serve at least some data, even when browsing the web. So what does the IPS consider too much data? 10 gig of uploading per month is okay, but 20 isn't? They never really defined it.
For that matter, is running a bittorrent client that's constantly uploading considered a server? If so then most of us reading this forum are violating the EULA.
And then the Chinese would be stuck with the hell that is Microsoft's Internet Exploiter.
An Opera Censored is still better than that, especially if Opera can gain dominance (as they did in Russia and Eastern Europe), and lock-out MS from monopolizing the market.
No but it does indicate how "strong" the browser is compared to Mozilla - essentially equal; not a little tiny nobody as the great-great-great grandparent had indicated. .
>>>I don't use it because it's not FLOSS, and yet, it could and should be
Why? Just because you say so? Yeah well I think you should give me yoor car and computer to replace my old junk. Fortunately for both you and Opera, private property is still private property, and people don't have to put stuff in the Public domain if they don't want to.
Yes Opera "could" put their browser in FLOSS. But whether they "should" is THEIR decision, not yours, or the czar's, or the government's.
Ahhh so it's like the 2010 version of those old self-hosted BBSes! Now I understand. This means I could setup my own private forum where people would want to come chat on my computer. Or host my own files for them to download. Or... um... I don't know what else. Play games?
On second thought the days of BBSes, where we visited other people's computers, were actually quite dull.
If you're cooking your own pizza, you have the choice on what to put in it. Make it a normal pizza or a pan pizza? Make it square or round? What toppings to put on it? Unite allows you bake your own pizza in the heart of your pc, and you can choose what to put on it. Want ham? Fine! Want pineapples? Fine!.....you choose what you want to have.
Brilliant.
Now why don't people apply the same thought-pattern to government? Why do they insist upon a "one size fits all" centralized program?
That was Emperor Claudius, circa 10 B.C. He bemoaned that Roman women were walking-around in see-through dresses made of Chinese silk, men were sleeping with those same loose women, and other "moral decay" within the Republic.
And he actually may have been right. After the year 100 A.D. Rome invented very few new ideas. Heck some guy invented a primitive steam engine, and Rome never developed it. They saw no need to innovate.
Well most engineers like interacting with people, especially when solving problems, so rather than assigning one problem per engineer... try assigning one problem to a TEAM of engineers. And it doesn't have to be every day; twice a year ought to be enough where you have a "team project".
Also, why not send engineers on sales calls, so they can meet the people who desire the product?
And finally let engineers have freedom. On my last job I had to account for every 0.1 tick of the clock. If I wasn't working I wasn't allowed to charge anything
>>>Substituting experts making decisions on a national scale is a pretty good idea.
Perhaps but it's not authorized. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words the right to regulate education belongs to your local State government, until you expand the Constitution with an amendment.
>>>Not necessarily... doctors and lawyers also are notorious for making big bucks, but that doesn't somehow induce millions of high-schoolers to sit around all summer engrossed in dry legal and medical tomes. >>>
The doctors and lawyers have set-up ridiculous obstacles to joining their profession. Is it really necessary to have 6 years of post-high-school to read the law? NO. Is it really necessary to have 8 years of education to become the equivalent of an organic engineer (doctor)? No. A lot of the routine surgeries (like fixing the focal length of eyes, or removing tonsils) are no more difficult than what I do when soldering & debugging a circuit card, but I only needed 4 years.
Because of these obstacles it can cost $250,000 just to earn the right to call yourself a lawyer or organic engineer (doctor), which is ridiculous in my opinion. A four-year-degree (~$80,000) plus some on-the-job experience ought to be enough.
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>>>99% do not have the money to pay for their own care, the reality is most private bankruptcies are the result of a medical issue.
False. Over 90% of personal bankruptcies are caused by too much debt, either on credit cards or mortgages.
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>>>who do you think pays when the patient files bankruptcy?
Bill Gates or his equivalent CEO. It comes out of the corporate profits and pockets of the CEOs, executives, and managers (who get smaller bonuses as a result). That's progressivism in action - take money from the rich.
>>.the rest of the goddamn civilized world shows us that the system we're trying to build here is the one that actually works, and it is ours that is the known-broken one.
>>>
No not really. Out current system is the better system, and the stats back that up:
OVERALL CANCER SURVIVAL RATE
WOMEN
American - 63
European - 56%
MEN
American 66%
European 47% (The best is Sweden at just 61% - the UK is only 45%)
PREVENTATIVE CARE - regular annual pap smears
American - 85%
British - 58%
PREVENTATIVE CARE - regular annual mammograms
American - 84%
British - 63%
Australia; Canada; New Zealand - 69%
PROSTATE 5-YEAR CANCER SURVIVOR RATE
99%- United States
89% - Canada
77% - United Kingdom
>>>That's a very good point, it's a known fact non-citizens and illegal immigrants don't get sick or need help in any way.
Sarcasm set aside..... it's also a known fact the illegals are not eligible, even if Obamacare passed. So you'd still have about 10 million uninsured Americans under an Uncle Sam HMO system.
FALSE. Rome invented:
- the law
- a constitution (tradition) that was supreme to the government
- engineering of buildings, waterways, et cetera
- overthrow of monarchs and replacing them with an elected republic
- rationality above all, even in warfare (the soldiers operated like a machine)
All of that was invented while Rome was still just a fledgling city-state.
I didn't say you can't study art, theater, or football.
I said it shouldn't be mandated, or have extremely-limited tax dollars wasted upon it. Mandatory courses should be those that reap a monetary reward at the end of the study, such that children can have jobs to support their families. An art, drama, or football class merely leads to the unemployment line.
Furthermore. .. I hated every single momemt that I was forced to spend in art, music, and gym classes. I got Ds and Fs. I cosnidered that TORTURE and don't see why I had to be tortured like that as a child. So take your damn classes, and your damn torture and shove them up your ass
Actually I meant ALL engineers should be able to go on sales calls, not just a few select persons
>>>Is it indoctrination to show a child that 2 + 2 =4?
If there's a religion that believes 2 + 2 = 5, then yes you are in violation of the parents' rights to teach whatever beliefs they may hold within their community.
On the other hand, maybe you're one of those who thinks we don't need parents or communities - - - that children are owned by the State and parent/community wishes don't matter. That's the path to tyranny by the leaders. It's also the kind of justification that was used to execute Jews during the 1940s, or Christians in 100s/200s A.D. Rome
>>>...and so once again the constitution proves what an utter fail it is. Situations change over time
Well then I guess it's a good thing the Constitution can be amended. If you think we need Congress to regulate the schools via the DOE, then follow the proper procedure and add an amendment that reads, "Congress shall provide schools for the education of minors" or something similar. Don't just ignore the Tenth Amendment as if it doesn't exist.
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>>>the idea that the constitution should always be followed indefinitely
The purpose of a Constitution is to stop the government in D.C. from turning into a dictatorial (or oligarchical) throne of power as happened in the Roman Republic 2100 years ago. It is the Supreme Law of the Land and needs to be followed, else the government shall be restrained by no law whatsoever. We will have chaos.
This is no different from the Treaty of Lisbon, which defines what powers the EU government may exercise, and reserves all other powers to the Member States.
P.S.
Hamilton was a Federalist, the party that passed the anti-free-speech Alien & Sedition Acts which was the 1790s equivalent to the Patriot Act. He was also the guy who hatched the plan to pay Revolutionary War veterans ~60 cents on the dollar, rather than pay the full amount of money published on the Bonds (the form of payment used during the war). i.e. Hamilton was an ass who enjoyed screwing the common man. His opinions are as valueless to me as the opinions of Dubya Bush.
Yeah but Hamilton did not write the Constitution. James Madison is the author of the words and best knows their meaning.
He said, "For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity." (Federalist 41)
He further clarifies: "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." (James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792)
And finally if you're still confused, just read the Supreme Law for yourself, which makes clear most powers belong to the State governments, not Congress: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
>>>Except that regulating interstate commerce *is* delegated to the United States by the Constitution.
Yes true, but my cable company operates completely-and-totally within my state. That is true of most cable companies, therefore the interstate clause does not apply, and the authority to revoke the monopoly belongs to Virginia.
Wow. You sure make a big deal out of nothing.
The answer is simple: The local government owns both the street and the pipe under the street. Comcast and Verizon and the electric company each own their separate wires that run through the pipe.
>>>A side note -- the remnants of a hurricane are NOTHING. It's just a storm;
How completely RUDE and arrogant of you to say that. The southern half of Baltimore was completely under water as the storm raged, and there was flooding all up-and-down the Chesapeake Bay and Potomac Inlet. Furthermore we have trees in Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware that the storm took and *broke in half* and tossed them like twigs to crush cars & homes. It wasn't as bad as the devastation from 1972 Hurricane Agnus, but it was pretty close. How DARE you dismiss the inflicted pain as "not a storm" you self-centered asshole.
Or as we say on slashdot - You insensitive clod!
You say that as a bad thing, but then ignore that children are being taught Evolution against the wishes of the parents, and in violation of their religious beliefs. It seems to me that ANY kind of indoctrination is wrong.
I guess it depends what the EULA means by "server". ALL computers serve at least some data, even when browsing the web. So what does the IPS consider too much data? 10 gig of uploading per month is okay, but 20 isn't? They never really defined it.
For that matter, is running a bittorrent client that's constantly uploading considered a server? If so then most of us reading this forum are violating the EULA.
And then the Chinese would be stuck with the hell that is Microsoft's Internet Exploiter.
An Opera Censored is still better than that, especially if Opera can gain dominance (as they did in Russia and Eastern Europe), and lock-out MS from monopolizing the market.
>>>Revenue != profit
No but it does indicate how "strong" the browser is compared to Mozilla - essentially equal; not a little tiny nobody as the great-great-great grandparent had indicated.
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>>>I don't use it because it's not FLOSS, and yet, it could and should be
Why? Just because you say so? Yeah well I think you should give me yoor car and computer to replace my old junk. Fortunately for both you and Opera, private property is still private property, and people don't have to put stuff in the Public domain if they don't want to.
Yes Opera "could" put their browser in FLOSS. But whether they "should" is THEIR decision, not yours, or the czar's, or the government's.
Ahhh so it's like the 2010 version of those old self-hosted BBSes! Now I understand. This means I could setup my own private forum where people would want to come chat on my computer. Or host my own files for them to download. Or... um... I don't know what else. Play games?
On second thought the days of BBSes, where we visited other people's computers, were actually quite dull.
If you're cooking your own pizza, you have the choice on what to put in it. Make it a normal pizza or a pan pizza? Make it square or round? What toppings to put on it? Unite allows you bake your own pizza in the heart of your pc, and you can choose what to put on it. Want ham? Fine! Want pineapples? Fine! .....you choose what you want to have.
Brilliant.
Now why don't people apply the same thought-pattern to government?
Why do they insist upon a "one size fits all" centralized program?
>>>Science is fun; learning it in school is not.
That's the exact opposite of what I just said. I said "School is fun; the real world of science/engineering is not."
That was Emperor Claudius, circa 10 B.C. He bemoaned that Roman women were walking-around in see-through dresses made of Chinese silk, men were sleeping with those same loose women, and other "moral decay" within the Republic.
And he actually may have been right. After the year 100 A.D. Rome invented very few new ideas. Heck some guy invented a primitive steam engine, and Rome never developed it. They saw no need to innovate.
The world already has more Art and Theater and Football graduates than it needs. Why expand the pool?
Well most engineers like interacting with people, especially when solving problems, so rather than assigning one problem per engineer... try assigning one problem to a TEAM of engineers. And it doesn't have to be every day; twice a year ought to be enough where you have a "team project".
Also, why not send engineers on sales calls, so they can meet the people who desire the product?
And finally let engineers have freedom. On my last job I had to account for every 0.1 tick of the clock. If I wasn't working I wasn't allowed to charge anything
>>>Substituting experts making decisions on a national scale is a pretty good idea.
Perhaps but it's not authorized. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In other words the right to regulate education belongs to your local State government, until you expand the Constitution with an amendment.
>>>Not necessarily... doctors and lawyers also are notorious for making big bucks, but that doesn't somehow induce millions of high-schoolers to sit around all summer engrossed in dry legal and medical tomes.
>>>
The doctors and lawyers have set-up ridiculous obstacles to joining their profession. Is it really necessary to have 6 years of post-high-school to read the law? NO. Is it really necessary to have 8 years of education to become the equivalent of an organic engineer (doctor)? No. A lot of the routine surgeries (like fixing the focal length of eyes, or removing tonsils) are no more difficult than what I do when soldering & debugging a circuit card, but I only needed 4 years.
Because of these obstacles it can cost $250,000 just to earn the right to call yourself a lawyer or organic engineer (doctor), which is ridiculous in my opinion. A four-year-degree (~$80,000) plus some on-the-job experience ought to be enough.