eh, I'd say his dialog was WAY better than the tripe JMS spews for B5/Crusade. There's just something painful about sitting and listening to a whole episode.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
that's not a decent reason. Customers have every right to expect that they can rely on fair competition from third parties to allow them to get the fastest machine possible. Apple shoved a bicycle pump into the accellerator-makers' spokes.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Oh, and as far as MacOSRumors vs. AppleInsider, AppleInsider has long been known to spout garbage, and you can tell it's garbage when it damages Apple's image. They do it to make it look like they're scooping the other rumors sites. IIRC, they got horrendously burned on the Apple Media Player (AMP) story, which turned out to be an Apple Corporate ruse to root out leaks. AppleInsider ends up with more ad revenue that way, but they have the reputation among Mac rumors site watchers of being somewhat irresponsible with their reporting.
I hit both sites regularly, but I trust MacOSRumors more, and I think true insider sources trust them more too.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"the decision to put it there in the first place was very controversial and was mainly intended to insure that 3rd-party processor upgrade makers didn't beat them to the market with a G4"
That's simply inexcusable - if true. Unfortunately, it looks very bad for Apple, because it was the same reason Apple killed off the cloners. They were making kick ass machines that were eating Apple's lunch, big time.
The end result of this mind-set? WE - (the consumer) end up with slower machines than we otherwise would have been able to get.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
". ..and there are rumors that they will be releasing a patch in the near future to fix that. "
and so, IT guys are supposed to make purchasing decisions based on rumors?
Apple is clearly at fault here. They sit back and watch the rumors press gather the pitchforks and torches, and don't issue a press release or tech article, or tip off ADC members or anything. I don't think that they can say anything that would make this situation worse than the rumors, unless Apple IS planning on cutting off upgradability. At this point it would simply be damage control. Much desperately needed damage control. People are pissed.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
No, Steve Jobs didn't learn didly squat at NeXT, that's why he said about the Mac OS (back when Rhapsody was killed), that "the Mac OS is our crown jewel, our prized posession, and we should polish it, not throw it away".
That's complete horse shit - and so we have to wait an extra year and a half for this Carbon bastardization, instead of having had Rhapsody sooner - and continue to listen to the rest of the computing world laugh at dusty, crusty, rusty old Mac OS.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
" They can't make an official statement regarding this yet, because they can't afford a fiasco if it takes a bit longer than expected, or doesn't work right, or what not"
They've already got a fiasco on their hands. What did they think their loyal customers were going to think? DUH! be honest! Make the statement through the Tech Article system or thru Apple Developer Connection. The technical people will understand if there are delays. just say SOMETHING!
(and while your at it, let's hear your plan for YellowBox NT licensing too. What? didn't think so.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
According to the LinuxPPC people, writing an OS for the G3 "should be easy" too, but ask Be, that didn't happen either.
Technically easy, yes. Politically expedient, no.
Don't hold your breath waiting for OS X x86, it ain't gonna happen, and judging by the information vacuum on the subject of YellowBox licensing for NT, that ain't gonna happen either.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
naw, Microsoft can't do anything to get busted up by the DoJ, because they were nice and included the "NSAKEY". The big bad gvt. is going to leave MS alone. The trial is just for show to keep Sun/Netscape/AOL/Novell happy.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I like my beige G3. I've been treated well by Apple, and I think I'm gonna spring for a G4 upgrade rather than buy a G4 machine, unless this B&W upgradability issue resolves itself, so I can trust the company again.
There we go again, back to that "information vacuum" thing. ..
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Apple has fucked me over for the last time. When a company tinkers with their computers' firmware to preventprocessor upgrades. .."
See? We're back to this one again. It's not whether or not Apple DID disable the upgradability, its the fact that they're so brain dead, as to sit and watch while the press tears them apart and customers jump ship in an information vacuum.
"Only president Clinton is better at warping people's perception of reality than this guy is"
You've been an Apple customer HOW many years, and you've never heard of the "reality distortion field"?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Worst case, if my hypothetical hacker camped out on an ethernet network, someone could eventually trace the physical connection back.
In this case, you'd need some kind of directional signal analyzer to physically locate the machine and shut it down, unless the connection could be locked out at the hub.
Then there's the EM-interference devices. . .
Sorry. I'm being obtuse.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Processor upgrades aren't useful until a year or so into the lifecycle when competition and age have brought the cost to levels close to the resale difference"
If that's the case, why were people buying B&W G3's last February and slapping CPU upgrades in them right away? Because even Apple's top of the line was not as fast as the fastest upgrade cards, again proving that while the PPC may be faster than the P III (debate, argue), Apple is NOT cranking out the fastest systems they could be. They were behind the curve during the clone wars, and that's why they stomped cloning, and they're behind the curve now, and ONLY the accelerator manufacturers illuminate the truth. Apple's ROM upgrade shuts out the light on that truth.
I love my Macintosh. I hate Apple.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
ha. If it weren't for contractual obligations, Motorola would not have completed Altivec, and would have dumped the PPC two years ago. Motorola apparently hates the PPC more than Intel does.
(anyone at Moto who disagrees with this statement - please demonstrate otherwise: affordable, open PPC Clones NOW!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Maybe if Steve Jobs would fire a couple of neruons and have a Tech Note written to explain why the block is there, people wouldn't have to speculate on why Apple did this.
As it is, Apple has already shown their dark side when they brutally stomped Power Computing into the dust. (yes, it was self-defense, but if Apple had simply quit the hardware field, because it was obviously not on par with the cloners), we could be in a much better PPC hardware world today, and not have so much trepidation about these very suspicious looking maneuvers.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
It wasn't that clones were eating into Apple's profits. They were gnawing off limbs. Power Computing had an exit strategy - kick Apple's ass by making machines that totally put Apple to shame, and charge much less for them. They did that. Apple was so far behind it wasn't even funny, but Power Computing was beginning to dictate standards for the CPU, down a dead-end route, a faster version of the 604, instead of moving on to a G3. The faster 604 (Mach5) would have been a developmental dead-end for the PowerPC, but it was faster than the G3 - and maintained not only FP performance, but multiprocessor capability, which were both tradeoffs for the G3. Once Apple was decimated, Power Computing had hoped to switch over to x86, and if you recall, at the time Apple shut them down, they tried to go into the x86 market, but it was too soon for them, their designs weren't quite there yet. Had they more time, and more Apple-crunching capital, they could easily have shut down Apple, AND made a successful transition into the x86 clone market, and probably would be a worthy competitor to Dell and Compaq today. But we would have no Apple.
If Apple were to reopen cloning, they would have to simply quit the hardware market, because they simply can't compete on price/performance. Power Computing didn't have to design the motherboard or the ROMs. I AM glad that Apple's back, but I really wish there was some way to get the great hardware they're making now, out in the open so those of us who don't drive porsches can afford to buy clone systems, or build our own. (as it is, Apple is even afraid of the upgraders eating their lunch, hence the ROM hack to prevent G4 upgrades to B&W G3s. thank god I have a G3 beige!).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I have a great-uncle who was an Austrian conscript in Hitler's army. He was on active duty for a few weeks, and he said the best thing that happened to him was when his unit was captured (well, apparently, they went out of their way to surrender) - and he spent the next 4 years as a POW, one year of that doing slave labor in a French coal mine, underground for weeks at a time, living off of 500 grams of bread a day. But it was better than serving the axis.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I don't know, the thought of some kid walking into a library with an iBook in his backpack, running an AppleScript he downloaded off of some hacker web board, doing a DOS attack on the whole library network, while he sits quietly and reads a book.
That would be a problem that would be very difficult to track down.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
32mb RAM would be a mistake. Not that Apple hasn't made that one before - hey Steve, why not NO RAM?
Even though I think the iMac was a GREAT idea, especially the ballsy "no floppy" part, I'd say that 90% of the people I've talked to who have iMacs, HATE them, they're too slow. Why? Not the blazing G3 processor?
No. the base 32MB RAM, which most basic users (iMac's main target demographic) won't upgrade. 32MB RAM+MacOS primative VM= SLOOOOOWWW computing experience. For every person who complained I recommended going to 64MB, (the original G3 pro had a promotion to upgrade from 32 to 64 for free, and that worked GREAT for my desktop!). For every person who DID follow my rec. there was a happy camper.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
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Heh, I think Guinness should be a regular on "Highlander" the series.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
eh, I'd say his dialog was WAY better than the tripe JMS spews for B5/Crusade. There's just something painful about sitting and listening to a whole episode.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
that's not a decent reason. Customers have every right to expect that they can rely on fair competition from third parties to allow them to get the fastest machine possible. Apple shoved a bicycle pump into the accellerator-makers' spokes.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Oh, and as far as MacOSRumors vs. AppleInsider, AppleInsider has long been known to spout garbage, and you can tell it's garbage when it damages Apple's image. They do it to make it look like they're scooping the other rumors sites. IIRC, they got horrendously burned on the Apple Media Player (AMP) story, which turned out to be an Apple Corporate ruse to root out leaks. AppleInsider ends up with more ad revenue that way, but they have the reputation among Mac rumors site watchers of being somewhat irresponsible with their reporting.
I hit both sites regularly, but I trust MacOSRumors more, and I think true insider sources trust them more too.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"the decision to put it there in
the first place was very controversial and was mainly intended to insure that 3rd-party processor
upgrade makers didn't beat them to the market with a G4"
That's simply inexcusable - if true. Unfortunately, it looks very bad for Apple, because it was the same reason Apple killed off the cloners. They were making kick ass machines that were eating Apple's lunch, big time.
The end result of this mind-set?
WE - (the consumer) end up with slower machines than we otherwise would have been able to get.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
". . .and there are
rumors that they will be releasing a patch in the near future to fix that. "
and so, IT guys are supposed to make purchasing decisions based on rumors?
Apple is clearly at fault here. They sit back and watch the rumors press gather the pitchforks and torches, and don't issue a press release or tech article, or tip off ADC members or anything. I don't think that they can say anything that would make this situation worse than the rumors, unless Apple IS planning on cutting off upgradability. At this point it would simply be damage control. Much desperately needed damage control. People are pissed.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Grackle, IIRC
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
No, Steve Jobs didn't learn didly squat at NeXT, that's why he said about the Mac OS (back when Rhapsody was killed), that "the Mac OS is our crown jewel, our prized posession, and we should polish it, not throw it away".
That's complete horse shit - and so we have to wait an extra year and a half for this Carbon bastardization, instead of having had Rhapsody sooner - and continue to listen to the rest of the computing world laugh at dusty, crusty, rusty old Mac OS.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
" They can't make an official statement
regarding this yet, because they can't afford a fiasco if it takes a bit longer than expected, or doesn't
work right, or what not"
They've already got a fiasco on their hands. What did they think their loyal customers were going to think?
DUH! be honest! Make the statement through the Tech Article system or thru Apple Developer Connection. The technical people will understand if there are delays. just say SOMETHING!
(and while your at it, let's hear your plan for YellowBox NT licensing too. What? didn't think so.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
According to the LinuxPPC people, writing an OS for the G3 "should be easy" too, but ask Be, that didn't happen either.
Technically easy, yes.
Politically expedient, no.
Don't hold your breath waiting for OS X x86, it ain't gonna happen, and judging by the information vacuum on the subject of YellowBox licensing for NT, that ain't gonna happen either.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Mac rumors site bullshit.
Until Apple releases a tech article detailing the hows and why's we're still living in an information vacuum, created by Apple.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
naw, Microsoft can't do anything to get busted up by the DoJ, because they were nice and included the "NSAKEY". The big bad gvt. is going to leave MS alone. The trial is just for show to keep Sun/Netscape/AOL/Novell happy.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I like my beige G3. I've been treated well by Apple, and I think I'm gonna spring for a G4 upgrade rather than buy a G4 machine, unless this B&W upgradability issue resolves itself, so I can trust the company again.
.
There we go again, back to that "information vacuum" thing. .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
e) are there even similar-speed PII's in portables?
I think not.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Apple has fucked me over for the last time. When a company tinkers with their computers' firmware ."
to preventprocessor upgrades. .
See? We're back to this one again. It's not whether or not Apple DID disable the upgradability, its the fact that they're so brain dead, as to sit and watch while the press tears them apart and customers jump ship in an information vacuum.
"Only president Clinton is better at warping people's perception of reality than this guy is"
You've been an Apple customer HOW many years, and you've never heard of the "reality distortion field"?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
unless he had a hack.
Worst case, if my hypothetical hacker camped out on an ethernet network, someone could eventually trace the physical connection back.
In this case, you'd need some kind of directional signal analyzer to physically locate the machine and shut it down, unless the connection could be locked out at the hub.
Then there's the EM-interference devices. . .
Sorry. I'm being obtuse.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
"Processor
upgrades aren't useful until a year or so into the lifecycle when competition and age have brought the
cost to levels close to the resale difference"
If that's the case, why were people buying B&W G3's last February and slapping CPU upgrades in them right away? Because even Apple's top of the line was not as fast as the fastest upgrade cards, again proving that while the PPC may be faster than the P III (debate, argue), Apple is NOT cranking out the fastest systems they could be. They were behind the curve during the clone wars, and that's why they stomped cloning, and they're behind the curve now, and ONLY the accelerator manufacturers illuminate the truth. Apple's ROM upgrade shuts out the light on that truth.
I love my Macintosh. I hate Apple.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
ha. If it weren't for contractual obligations, Motorola would not have completed Altivec, and would have dumped the PPC two years ago. Motorola apparently hates the PPC more than Intel does.
(anyone at Moto who disagrees with this statement - please demonstrate otherwise: affordable, open PPC Clones NOW!)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Maybe if Steve Jobs would fire a couple of neruons and have a Tech Note written to explain why the block is there, people wouldn't have to speculate on why Apple did this.
As it is, Apple has already shown their dark side when they brutally stomped Power Computing into the dust. (yes, it was self-defense, but if Apple had simply quit the hardware field, because it was obviously not on par with the cloners), we could be in a much better PPC hardware world today, and not have so much trepidation about these very suspicious looking maneuvers.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
It wasn't that clones were eating into Apple's profits. They were gnawing off limbs. Power Computing had an exit strategy - kick Apple's ass by making machines that totally put Apple to shame, and charge much less for them. They did that. Apple was so far behind it wasn't even funny, but Power Computing was beginning to dictate standards for the CPU, down a dead-end route, a faster version of the 604, instead of moving on to a G3. The faster 604 (Mach5) would have been a developmental dead-end for the PowerPC, but it was faster than the G3 - and maintained not only FP performance, but multiprocessor capability, which were both tradeoffs for the G3.
Once Apple was decimated, Power Computing had hoped to switch over to x86, and if you recall, at the time Apple shut them down, they tried to go into the x86 market, but it was too soon for them, their designs weren't quite there yet. Had they more time, and more Apple-crunching capital, they could easily have shut down Apple, AND made a successful transition into the x86 clone market, and probably would be a worthy competitor to Dell and Compaq today. But we would have no Apple.
If Apple were to reopen cloning, they would have to simply quit the hardware market, because they simply can't compete on price/performance. Power Computing didn't have to design the motherboard or the ROMs.
I AM glad that Apple's back, but I really wish there was some way to get the great hardware they're making now, out in the open so those of us who don't drive porsches can afford to buy clone systems, or build our own. (as it is, Apple is even afraid of the upgraders eating their lunch, hence the ROM hack to prevent G4 upgrades to B&W G3s. thank god I have a G3 beige!).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
Tim Burton? ick. no.
He's dark, sure. But he's way too silly.
I'd rather see William Shatner direct.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I have a great-uncle who was an Austrian conscript in Hitler's army. He was on active duty for a few weeks, and he said the best thing that happened to him was when his unit was captured (well, apparently, they went out of their way to surrender) - and he spent the next 4 years as a POW, one year of that doing slave labor in a French coal mine, underground for weeks at a time, living off of 500 grams of bread a day. But it was better than serving the axis.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
I don't know, the thought of some kid walking into a library with an iBook in his backpack, running an AppleScript he downloaded off of some hacker web board, doing a DOS attack on the whole library network, while he sits quietly and reads a book.
That would be a problem that would be very difficult to track down.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
hm.
$2000 for a G4 + Monitor
$3000 for 3 iBooks
=family netQuake.
Versus
$1600 for four Mountain bikes and a sunny day.
interesting math.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
32mb RAM would be a mistake. Not that Apple hasn't made that one before - hey Steve, why not NO RAM?
Even though I think the iMac was a GREAT idea, especially the ballsy "no floppy" part, I'd say that 90% of the people I've talked to who have iMacs, HATE them, they're too slow.
Why?
Not the blazing G3 processor?
No.
the base 32MB RAM, which most basic users (iMac's main target demographic) won't upgrade. 32MB RAM+MacOS primative VM= SLOOOOOWWW computing experience. For every person who complained I recommended going to 64MB, (the original G3 pro had a promotion to upgrade from 32 to 64 for free, and that worked GREAT for my desktop!). For every person who DID follow my rec. there was a happy camper.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."