It doesn't matter. "Stifles innovation" is nonsense.
By showing source code, you not only let your competitors see the finished product and nifty new functionality, but how you implemented them as well, so that they can learn and benefit from it.
How does this mass effort to educate everything it touches make "open source" software "stifle innovation?"
My conclusion is the same as those of the others: Microsoft is scared shitless, and on the run. Laugh loudly.
Ahem. How are things like Linux not free? You can d/l ISOs of the latest Redhat for free. If I'm installing a BSD OS like OpenBSD, I download a floppy, and install over the fat pipe for free. What part of free isn't free again?
Damn straight. Do you know how furious they are that they can't just lower prices to force Open Source development out of business?
Actually, the "gratis" factor of free software will slowly force them out of business -- they may have money, but they can't afford to give stuff away forever, whereas free software can.
The fact that free software developers aren't generally out to make a buck gives them a huge advantage that M$ will never have.
I hope a company picks on big artists for digital distribution and doing something like stephen king, a buck a download, money would go STRAIGHT to them and the record label would stop it's own piracy (i.e. ripping many artists off and taking the public for complete morons).
You do realize that Stephen King, famous horror author, adored by many, that even he failed in his internet book effort? And stopped the distribution as a result?
Wow!!! You know how to interpret the bible correctly??
Somehow, people have been killing each other for hundreds, perhaps a thousand years because of this book, and how they interpret it... but you know how to interpret it correctly? Wow!
** You must know how to interpret it correctly, if you know that 'stupid religious groups' are interpreting it wrong, correct?
I agree with your points, but you know as well as everyone else that a single data point (you) cannot be, and is not, a persuasive argument. That said:
there is someone we should be pointing our fingers at, and it's the parents out there, or as I like to call them, the fuckups.
I subscribe to the idea of being born as a tabula rasa (clean slate), and being shaped mostly by the environment. If the environment (mostly your parents) makes you a killer, that's what you'll be. Eric and Dylan's parents should be in jail for mistreating their progeny, and causing them to do terrible things.
Same thing with the rest of America, but it would be very politically incorrect for a politician to point the finger at the masses of fuckups errr parents out there, and tell them how they screwed up, and how they're responsible for the state of the US. That man would be right, but would never get elected.
So we'll just busy ourselves with singling out more scapegoats, while ignoring a problem. The herd will never notice...
Schools don't have to teach morals, parents should be doing that. I listen more to my parents about morals than I would listen to my religion professor, anyhow.
That said, it's not politically correct for a politican to get up there, and tell America's parents what fuckups they are, and that they are responsible for what's happening in this country.
A man like that would never get elected. Telling it like it is just doesn't work when talking to the herd...
More education has to be given to parents and even kids that M rated games should only be viewed by adults. Hell, can you imagine if 10-year olds across the nation were all watching Hannibal without their parents knowing its contents? Nightmare city.
DEAR GOD!!! We'd have a bunch of creepy little monsters running around with scalping knives looking to eat nubile young females!!! Oh wait... <rolls eyes>
Does the games industry want to be tarred with the same reputation as the cigarette industry? They will get it if they continue saying that they have to market violent QIII type games at children, right or wrong (rightly, in my view).
Your analogy does not hold water. The cigarette industry produces a product that, in practically all studies except the few that the industry itself funded, shows cigarettes to be dangerous, addictive, carcinogenic, yadda yadda.
There exists no such clear consensus with video games. While you can find many links to studies that show cigarettes to be Bad For You(tm), you will find a) very few studies on games in the first place and b) a widely ranging series of opinions c) that the studies are not funded by the likes of Electronic Arts.
That said, explain again how the game companies' marketing and direction of games at kids causes violence and makes them like the cigarette industry again please?
True. But Lieberman would have been nothing more than a decoration, just like Gore was for the last 8 years.
That said, he's nothing more than a conservative in left-wing clothing. While his assuming the VP office would have been a step forward in racial relations, he would have more than made up for it by his conservative stance on media.
Ummm... you think the teenage underpaid clerk gives a care who rents their games? Lemme guess -- you also think that kids today need to _sneak_ into R rated movies too?
I'll also add that Win2k is very stable, 63 k worth of bugs be damned. Yet another reason not to switch, heh.
Also, as for programming: most all the unix tools have been ported to Windows, we have Mingw32 and Cygwin for POSIX support, etc., etc. -- there's just no good reason for the average user to switch.
You don't seem to understand. this new protection requires signed drivers, and MS will simply refuse to sign the drivers for your card, making it unsupported. So no matter how great it is, it'll just be totally unusable.
Okay, so the murder example was a bit extreme, but the point exists.
It comes down to the fact that notice must be given for things like photographing and recording, whether one is on public or private property. That's the way it is in most states.
The fact that the _government_ was doing this on private property opens up yet another can of worms, namely about what happens when a public entity surreptitiously records citizens on private property using equipment built from public funds.
You know how when you call a PRIVATE phone system of a company, how they still have to warn you that they may record your conversation "for training purposes?" And how they can't leave that out? How is this any different?
This is like saying "I can murder you, if you're standing in my house."
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My, my, and you're an Anonymous Coward. What are you hiding? Come out, come out, where ever you are!
Because the players have many expensive lawyers, and aren't worth the trouble. Being able to harass common citizens in the guise of just doing what the computer said, however, gives many a cop a woody.
Either way, it's a bad thing. If they really are doing what the computer says, then welcome to the age where goddamn pieces of silicon decide our fates. If they're just using the computers as an excuse, then welcome to the world's newest fascist state!
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It has no need to be perfect, or even functional. All they have to do is get info about where a criminal will be at a certain time, and then claim that this device recognized them. Everyone claps politely, goes back to business.
What do you have then? A dummy device that vastly extends police powers to stop, arrest, search, detain, and question anyone they like, all because a computer supposedly told them to do so.
The cops aren't at all stupid, and have come up with yet another way to hasten our descent into a police state. Hurrah. <sigh>.
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Because the technology is absolutely certain to generate false positives, and this gives the cops yet another reason to harass citizens.
Look, remember that software that purportedly filtered pr0n on the 'net based on heutristics about shades of pink? Remember what a fuckup it was? Do you want software of this ilk suggesting to the cops that they haul you in for some questioning?
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Rubbish. In the US, at least, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and while this system tests innocence, I don't want a fucking computer telling the cops that maybe I'm a bank robber and they should haul me in for interrogation for a few days.
It's like piracy in the home -- sure, it may be illegal, but it's going to be hard to prosecute. And yes, they could string a few people up to make examples of them, but that gets to be bad publicity, as we all know.
As for the actual manufacture of the circumvention devices -- China, Russia, New Zealand, Australia, and other countries that don't give a flying fuck about the DCMA and related laws will supply us. And since I expect that most of these devices will be software or schematics for do-it-yourself projects in one way or another, I don't expect difficulties with import, either.
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It doesn't matter. "Stifles innovation" is nonsense.
By showing source code, you not only let your competitors see the finished product and nifty new functionality, but how you implemented them as well, so that they can learn and benefit from it.
How does this mass effort to educate everything it touches make "open source" software "stifle innovation?"
My conclusion is the same as those of the others: Microsoft is scared shitless, and on the run. Laugh loudly.
Ahem. How are things like Linux not free? You can d/l ISOs of the latest Redhat for free. If I'm installing a BSD OS like OpenBSD, I download a floppy, and install over the fat pipe for free. What part of free isn't free again?
Damn straight. Do you know how furious they are that they can't just lower prices to force Open Source development out of business?
Actually, the "gratis" factor of free software will slowly force them out of business -- they may have money, but they can't afford to give stuff away forever, whereas free software can.
The fact that free software developers aren't generally out to make a buck gives them a huge advantage that M$ will never have.
I hope a company picks on big artists for digital distribution and doing something like stephen king, a buck a download, money would go STRAIGHT to them and the record label would stop it's own piracy (i.e. ripping many artists off and taking the public for complete morons).
You do realize that Stephen King, famous horror author, adored by many, that even he failed in his internet book effort? And stopped the distribution as a result?
Because the voters (parents) scream to the goverment "we don't want to do our job!"
"You take care of these little monsters that we spawned!"
"We just want to go back to watching monday night football and having affairs!"
The average parent is a hopeless fuckup, but try getting a politican to tell the masses that...
Wow!!! You know how to interpret the bible correctly??
... but you know how to interpret it correctly? Wow!
Somehow, people have been killing each other for hundreds, perhaps a thousand years because of this book, and how they interpret it
** You must know how to interpret it correctly, if you know that 'stupid religious groups' are interpreting it wrong, correct?
I agree with your points, but you know as well as everyone else that a single data point (you) cannot be, and is not, a persuasive argument. That said:
there is someone we should be pointing our fingers at, and it's the parents out there, or as I like to call them, the fuckups.
I subscribe to the idea of being born as a tabula rasa (clean slate), and being shaped mostly by the environment. If the environment (mostly your parents) makes you a killer, that's what you'll be. Eric and Dylan's parents should be in jail for mistreating their progeny, and causing them to do terrible things.
Same thing with the rest of America, but it would be very politically incorrect for a politician to point the finger at the masses of fuckups errr parents out there, and tell them how they screwed up, and how they're responsible for the state of the US. That man would be right, but would never get elected.
So we'll just busy ourselves with singling out more scapegoats, while ignoring a problem. The herd will never notice...
Schools don't have to teach morals, parents should be doing that. I listen more to my parents about morals than I would listen to my religion professor, anyhow.
That said, it's not politically correct for a politican to get up there, and tell America's parents what fuckups they are, and that they are responsible for what's happening in this country.
A man like that would never get elected. Telling it like it is just doesn't work when talking to the herd...
More education has to be given to parents and even kids that M rated games should only be viewed by adults. Hell, can you imagine if 10-year olds across the nation were all watching Hannibal without their parents knowing its contents? Nightmare city.
... <rolls eyes>
DEAR GOD!!! We'd have a bunch of creepy little monsters running around with scalping knives looking to eat nubile young females!!! Oh wait
Does the games industry want to be tarred with the same reputation as the cigarette industry? They will get it if they continue saying that they have to market violent QIII type games at children, right or wrong (rightly, in my view).
Your analogy does not hold water. The cigarette industry produces a product that, in practically all studies except the few that the industry itself funded, shows cigarettes to be dangerous, addictive, carcinogenic, yadda yadda.
There exists no such clear consensus with video games. While you can find many links to studies that show cigarettes to be Bad For You(tm), you will find a) very few studies on games in the first place and b) a widely ranging series of opinions c) that the studies are not funded by the likes of Electronic Arts.
That said, explain again how the game companies' marketing and direction of games at kids causes violence and makes them like the cigarette industry again please?
True. But Lieberman would have been nothing more than a decoration, just like Gore was for the last 8 years.
That said, he's nothing more than a conservative in left-wing clothing. While his assuming the VP office would have been a step forward in racial relations, he would have more than made up for it by his conservative stance on media.
They deprecated your old 486 and Pentium, didn't they?
Ummm ... you think the teenage underpaid clerk gives a care who rents their games? Lemme guess -- you also think that kids today need to _sneak_ into R rated movies too?
You just pointed out why people don't switch -- lack of interoperability with the establishment.
I'll also add that Win2k is very stable, 63 k worth of bugs be damned. Yet another reason not to switch, heh.
Also, as for programming: most all the unix tools have been ported to Windows, we have Mingw32 and Cygwin for POSIX support, etc., etc. -- there's just no good reason for the average user to switch.
You don't seem to understand. this new protection requires signed drivers, and MS will simply refuse to sign the drivers for your card, making it unsupported. So no matter how great it is, it'll just be totally unusable.
There was none in this situation. Case closed.
Okay, so the murder example was a bit extreme, but the point exists.
It comes down to the fact that notice must be given for things like photographing and recording, whether one is on public or private property. That's the way it is in most states.
The fact that the _government_ was doing this on private property opens up yet another can of worms, namely about what happens when a public entity surreptitiously records citizens on private property using equipment built from public funds.
You know how when you call a PRIVATE phone system of a company, how they still have to warn you that they may record your conversation "for training purposes?" And how they can't leave that out? How is this any different?
This is like saying "I can murder you, if you're standing in my house."
My, my, and you're an Anonymous Coward. What are you hiding? Come out, come out, where ever you are!
Because the players have many expensive lawyers, and aren't worth the trouble. Being able to harass common citizens in the guise of just doing what the computer said, however, gives many a cop a woody.
Either way, it's a bad thing. If they really are doing what the computer says, then welcome to the age where goddamn pieces of silicon decide our fates. If they're just using the computers as an excuse, then welcome to the world's newest fascist state!
It has no need to be perfect, or even functional. All they have to do is get info about where a criminal will be at a certain time, and then claim that this device recognized them. Everyone claps politely, goes back to business.
What do you have then? A dummy device that vastly extends police powers to stop, arrest, search, detain, and question anyone they like, all because a computer supposedly told them to do so.
The cops aren't at all stupid, and have come up with yet another way to hasten our descent into a police state. Hurrah. <sigh>.
Because the technology is absolutely certain to generate false positives, and this gives the cops yet another reason to harass citizens.
Look, remember that software that purportedly filtered pr0n on the 'net based on heutristics about shades of pink? Remember what a fuckup it was? Do you want software of this ilk suggesting to the cops that they haul you in for some questioning?
Rubbish. In the US, at least, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and while this system tests innocence, I don't want a fucking computer telling the cops that maybe I'm a bank robber and they should haul me in for interrogation for a few days.
It's like piracy in the home -- sure, it may be illegal, but it's going to be hard to prosecute. And yes, they could string a few people up to make examples of them, but that gets to be bad publicity, as we all know.
As for the actual manufacture of the circumvention devices -- China, Russia, New Zealand, Australia, and other countries that don't give a flying fuck about the DCMA and related laws will supply us. And since I expect that most of these devices will be software or schematics for do-it-yourself projects in one way or another, I don't expect difficulties with import, either.
To the RIAA/MPAA: pffffffffffbt!