If you wish me to buy something from you you had best peak my interest. I do not buy things that have piqued my interest. It results in my being leery, the exact opposite of what I believe you are trying to achieve.
My posts are full of misspellings. Rife even. It's for its, there for their for they're, as well as even more odious stuff. Lots of incorrect fonetix. Sometimes I go all aphasiac and lock on a word. When that happens, rather than just stare at the screen for 5 minutes in a little catatonia, I'll write down anything just to get on with it and hope I go back and correct it later. Sometimes I don't.
In this case, however, I had orginally written "pique," deleted it and substituted "peak," because "peak" is what I meant. A minor play on words.
You might wish to look up the synonyms of the words yourself.
Distributing a single episode to a select number of people via pressed media is significantly different than distributing all of the episodes to anyone who wants them via the Internet.
It most certainly is; and you did not get the latter idea from anything I said.
My point is, for better or for worse, it is exclusively HBO's decision as to how they distribute their content.
And I have said nothing to contrevene that.
Even if, on the whole, distributing all or some of their programs via BT would be beneficial to them does not allow consumers to do so unless HBO gives explicit permission.
Julia Fischer is providing mp3s of full movements of Bach's solo violin sonatas and concertos from her website. As a result I'm going to one of her concerts where I expect to buy a $40 CD from her directly. I don't spend $40 on a CD lightly.
Snippets suck. For everybody.
As a side note, I seem to recall BestBuy had a free DVD single of the first Rome episode.
And according to first respondant they are even mailing them out, AOL style. They might be starting to get it.
Isn't part of the point of HBO that you don't get interruptions in the movies ?
I'd rather thought so myself, hence my puzzlement at another respondants objection to the provision of downloads because of the loss of advertising revenue. In fact, if you had to go to an HBO page to download them they would garner some.
Why would they choose not to do so? Probably because the bottom line is they believe their profits will not improve because of doing so.
Why did I write my post? Probably because I believe they are wrong. In fact, since another poster indicates that they are distributing episodes for free on pressed media it would seem that HBO is at least beginning to agree with me.
If episodes are available (commercial free) online, will more or less people watch them on TV, with ads (if less, then HBO loses money)?
The last time I was an HBO subscriber they did not have ads. That was the point of paying a subscription fee and their business model.
If they now have ads what about that would induce me to become a subscriber again when so much other advertising supported material is freely available?
And if they do, in fact, have ads, why would they distribute them online without them? That would be silly.
We aren't constitutionally guaranteed anonymity, as we're expected to take responsibility for what we say.
I have every right to publish a pamphlet or newspaper article and not put my real name to it, and distribute at will.
In fact, that's exactly what the authors of The Federalist Papers did. That is, in fact, why they are refered to as The Federalist Papers.
I may not have a Constitutional protection of anonimty, but I have every Constitutional right to publish anonymously.
You do not have a Constitutional right to the identity of an author, and hence the protection of anonymity comes about left handedly. This is by design, just as the Fourth Ammendment exists because it was recongnized that the governement would, sooner or later, pass illegal and offensive laws, but would be prevented the legal means of enforcing them.
The very reason the government has tried so hard, and so successfully, to nullify it.
Would you still buy the cheese if you could take as much of it as you wanted, whenever you wanted, for free?
Perhaps that is why the supermarket does not allow me to do that, and why I did not recommend that HBO do that. Did you actually read my post, or just skim it and pop out an argument responding to what you thought I was saying?
I will, nonetheless, give you something of a response to your post.
Every week I am in the habit of reading three or four local weekly newspapers. They give them to me, as well as to everyone else, for free.
How do you suppose they do that?
There's more than one way to skin a cat, or a customer. Your job as the seller isn't to force your customers to adopt your business model. Your job is to identify qualified customers and indentify a means by which they will be glad to give you their money.
. ..they're offering a service where you get a lot of movies. ..
Which in the agregate is a block of cheese.
"watch a clip of the new episode".
A clip is an ad, not a sample. Get thee hence and read just the first story of The Thousand Nights and a Night. Ya know, that Scherazade thingy. Read the story of Scherazade too.
The first story is entitiled, "The First Entertainment Being the Tale of The Fisherman and the Jinni."
Here's a clip:
O toiler through the glooms of night in peril and in pain, The toiling stint for daily bread comes not by might and main.
Maybe that's enough to peak your interest. Maybe not. In any case, as an ad, it really just informs you of the product's existence. It and it alone will rarely induce you to purchase. Especially since you've seen ads before. You know they are manipulatively deceptive, cherry picked bits which usually do not represent the actual experience.
But if you read the First Entertainment and like it you will be compelled to read the second. You'll see why if you give it a try, and I really do encourage you to do so. That's a personal endorsment. More valuable than an ad from the "content creator."
And guess what? You can download it for free at Project Gutenberg. You'll find it under Burton, Richard.
It goes to seventeen volumes containing every storyline ever concieved by man, including Vitameatavegamine; and Rome.
If you don't have money to purchase something, do without. There are plenty of free entertainment services available.
I have the money. I spend some of it on entertainment services, however, it is not my mission to give it to them. It is their mission to get it from me. I am under no obligation to cooperate. In fact, I rather resist. If you do not I'd be perfectly happy to get a post office box you can send your money to.
Personally I insist on getting value for my money and I am the sole arbiter of what constitutes value for my money. Because it's mine.
There are plenty of free entertainment services available.
Exactly! In fact, I make money by providing these, so I'm intimately acquainted with the phenomenon. When you avail yourself of my free entertainment services you are not my customer. You are my product which I am reselling to someone else. I also provide paid entertainment services, which you would likely not avail yourself of if you had not first seen one of my free services. Yes, I'm playing both ends agains the middle for my own benefit. Welcome to the middle. But if you do not feel you recieve value when I charge you I will lose you as a direct customer. That would make me unhappy.
If you really want to see ROME. ..
You seem to have missed the point that I don't. See my first paragraph.
Problem solved.
I don't have a problem. HBO does. See my previous paragraph. I think you might have some issues with the whole buyer/seller relationship. I can't afford to misunderstand this as my income is derived from it directly. Please send money to my post office box.
As for a download on demand service, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to do that if they could be reasonably certain that you could not then redistribute that video to 20,000 or so of your closest friends over P2P.
Well, thank God that their failure to do so prevents that from happening!
Here is the one thing, the only thing, they can be absolutely certain of; media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed. This is an innate property of the business they are in.
If they don't like that they have two choices, 1)Get out of the business. They are no more required to sell media than I am to buy it, 2)Deal with it.
The one who figures out how to deal with it while keeping the customer happy is the one that will still be around and thriving ten years from now.
The customer is control, because their money is theirs.
Deal with it.
I have to, because if I don't I go hungry, not in ten years, but tommorow. Spend a year or two as a street performer. It'll learn ya.
But you cannot make the argument, "well, because the supermaret gives free samples, I am entitled to take free cheese, even when they are not giving out free samples."
I am puzzled by the fact that you seem to believe I have made that argument. I have done nothing of the kind. Perhaps you need to go read my post again and try to see what those who moderated me saw.
You have cable, but you had to download the first five episodes? Does your cable provider not offer Video On Demand?
Mine does. Oddly enough it won't let me watch anything from HBO. You see, I'm not a subscriber. Therefore I remain clueless as to why I should become one.
Okay, most cable providers that offer the VOD also provide Personal Video Recorders to their customers. You could also pop for a DVD Recorder and record it. Again, why with the downloading??
Why should he be forced to pay more for capabilties he's already purchased? Why doesn't HBO and/or his cable company set up a download on demand service for those who prefer to do it that way? It could be leveraged into selling cable internet access as well as channel subscriptions.
I can go to the supermarket and eat cheese for free. I don't have to steal it or nothin'. They even slice it up for me. They find that by simply giving cheese away they end up selling more cheese than if they don't. To a certain extent they even reduce shoplifting (most grocery shoplifting isn't hardcore theft, but casual snacking along the way and a package of bologna with one slice removed is, to the store, the same as a whole stolen package of bologna).
The free cheese whets my appetite and makes me more inclined to buy a half pound of the stuff for later.
That is, of course, if the free "cheese" they give me isn't really a pile of poison poo spray painted yellow.
I really hate when that happens.
Perhaps HBO should consider, instead of interdiction, simply giving the first few episodes away to induce subscription, that is, of course and ironically, if the show isn't too cheesy.
If they don't feel inclined to give me a free sample, at my convenience, I'm afraid I'd be inclined to believe there's something about it they don't want me to know.
Not only did we invent and build it -- we paid for it. That doesn't entitle us to something?
Sure, it entititles us to all the wire and boxes we bought, except, of course, that most of that is actually in private hands. You'll find that much of the wire and many of the boxes do not reside in and were not paid for by America.
Should CERN (the "E" in CERN does not refer to the US) "own" the web (we're talking about control of the DNS namespace here, not the internet, which is largely uncontrolable, although China's giving a good try. Bloody shame that Slashdot continues the internet/web confusion, innit?). Europe invented, built and made the initial investment. You could say that America stole it in the first place.
Or is the web, perhaps, just an idea, a set of published, open communications standards, free for anyone to impliment and use?
Or do you think that Italy has some sort of propriatary rights to radio, Scotland to steam engines and Germany to the Theory of Relativity?
As with any fame driven industry, if a person thinks that they can be one of the top 10 blogs in the entire world, then they should go for it.
But then I'd have to actually spellcheck, proof read and fact find, wouldn't I? Seems like a lot of work just for some money. I can see why most bloggers don't bother with these. Besides, fame gives me an allergic reaction. If one is famous as a profession it generally means, in practice, that people start viewing you as a resource to be exploited; and they generally succeed, otherwise you wouldn't be making money for being famous.
In any case, yeah, you're right. This article might just as well have been titled "Some poets actually make money."
Doesn't mean you want to encourage your kid to take up poetry as a full time profession.
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If you wish me to buy something from you you had best peak my interest. I do not buy things that have piqued my interest. It results in my being leery, the exact opposite of what I believe you are trying to achieve.
My posts are full of misspellings. Rife even. It's for its, there for their for they're, as well as even more odious stuff. Lots of incorrect fonetix. Sometimes I go all aphasiac and lock on a word. When that happens, rather than just stare at the screen for 5 minutes in a little catatonia, I'll write down anything just to get on with it and hope I go back and correct it later. Sometimes I don't.
In this case, however, I had orginally written "pique," deleted it and substituted "peak," because "peak" is what I meant. A minor play on words.
You might wish to look up the synonyms of the words yourself.
KFG
Distributing a single episode to a select number of people via pressed media is significantly different than distributing all of the episodes to anyone who wants them via the Internet.
It most certainly is; and you did not get the latter idea from anything I said.
My point is, for better or for worse, it is exclusively HBO's decision as to how they distribute their content.
And I have said nothing to contrevene that.
Even if, on the whole, distributing all or some of their programs via BT would be beneficial to them does not allow consumers to do so unless HBO gives explicit permission.
Are you sure you're responding to my posts?
KFG
Julia Fischer is providing mp3s of full movements of Bach's solo violin sonatas and concertos from her website. As a result I'm going to one of her concerts where I expect to buy a $40 CD from her directly. I don't spend $40 on a CD lightly.
Snippets suck. For everybody.
As a side note, I seem to recall BestBuy had a free DVD single of the first Rome episode.
And according to first respondant they are even mailing them out, AOL style. They might be starting to get it.
KFG
Through advertising ? Local sponsorships ?
Of course.
Isn't part of the point of HBO that you don't get interruptions in the movies ?
I'd rather thought so myself, hence my puzzlement at another respondants objection to the provision of downloads because of the loss of advertising revenue. In fact, if you had to go to an HBO page to download them they would garner some.
Or grossly overplayed product placements ?
Dude, they show movies.
KFG
. . .and stuck it on my check.
Cheekers are useless for catching this sort of mistake.
KFG
I bet you even know why "whets" is the correct word. . .
Well yeah, that's probably the only reason I managed to spell it correctly. I can't spell, but I do have particular interest in meaning.
I even have a certain amount of practical experience with whetting, or that knife in my pack wouldn't stay of much use for very long.
The last star I got was blue. A lovely young lady walked up and stuck it on my check. I guess it was her way of making introduction.
KFG
Maybe in your deluded world. . .
I am not responsible for the world's delusions.
KFG
Why would they choose not to do so? Probably because the bottom line is they believe their profits will not improve because of doing so.
Why did I write my post? Probably because I believe they are wrong. In fact, since another poster indicates that they are distributing episodes for free on pressed media it would seem that HBO is at least beginning to agree with me.
If episodes are available (commercial free) online, will more or less people watch them on TV, with ads (if less, then HBO loses money)?
The last time I was an HBO subscriber they did not have ads. That was the point of paying a subscription fee and their business model.
If they now have ads what about that would induce me to become a subscriber again when so much other advertising supported material is freely available?
And if they do, in fact, have ads, why would they distribute them online without them? That would be silly.
KFG
We aren't constitutionally guaranteed anonymity, as we're expected to take responsibility for what we say.
I have every right to publish a pamphlet or newspaper article and not put my real name to it, and distribute at will.
In fact, that's exactly what the authors of The Federalist Papers did. That is, in fact, why they are refered to as The Federalist Papers.
I may not have a Constitutional protection of anonimty, but I have every Constitutional right to publish anonymously.
You do not have a Constitutional right to the identity of an author, and hence the protection of anonymity comes about left handedly. This is by design, just as the Fourth Ammendment exists because it was recongnized that the governement would, sooner or later, pass illegal and offensive laws, but would be prevented the legal means of enforcing them.
The very reason the government has tried so hard, and so successfully, to nullify it.
Now they're moving on to nullifying the first.
KFG
Would you still buy the cheese if you could take as much of it as you wanted, whenever you wanted, for free?
Perhaps that is why the supermarket does not allow me to do that, and why I did not recommend that HBO do that. Did you actually read my post, or just skim it and pop out an argument responding to what you thought I was saying?
I will, nonetheless, give you something of a response to your post.
Every week I am in the habit of reading three or four local weekly newspapers. They give them to me, as well as to everyone else, for free.
How do you suppose they do that?
There's more than one way to skin a cat, or a customer. Your job as the seller isn't to force your customers to adopt your business model. Your job is to identify qualified customers and indentify a means by which they will be glad to give you their money.
KFG
. . .they're offering a service where you get a lot of movies. . .
Which in the agregate is a block of cheese.
"watch a clip of the new episode".
A clip is an ad, not a sample. Get thee hence and read just the first story of The Thousand Nights and a Night. Ya know, that Scherazade thingy. Read the story of Scherazade too.
The first story is entitiled, "The First Entertainment Being the Tale of The Fisherman and the Jinni."
Here's a clip:
O toiler through the glooms of night in peril and in pain,
The toiling stint for daily bread comes not by might and main.
Maybe that's enough to peak your interest. Maybe not. In any case, as an ad, it really just informs you of the product's existence. It and it alone will rarely induce you to purchase. Especially since you've seen ads before. You know they are manipulatively deceptive, cherry picked bits which usually do not represent the actual experience.
But if you read the First Entertainment and like it you will be compelled to read the second. You'll see why if you give it a try, and I really do encourage you to do so. That's a personal endorsment. More valuable than an ad from the "content creator."
And guess what? You can download it for free at Project Gutenberg. You'll find it under Burton, Richard.
It goes to seventeen volumes containing every storyline ever concieved by man, including Vitameatavegamine; and Rome.
And for the most part it's better written.
KFG
That, sir, is what's called "marketing".
Bingo! Give the man a prize. The prize is refered to as a "customer."
KFG
If you don't have money to purchase something, do without. There are plenty of free entertainment services available.
.
I have the money. I spend some of it on entertainment services, however, it is not my mission to give it to them. It is their mission to get it from me. I am under no obligation to cooperate. In fact, I rather resist. If you do not I'd be perfectly happy to get a post office box you can send your money to.
Personally I insist on getting value for my money and I am the sole arbiter of what constitutes value for my money. Because it's mine.
There are plenty of free entertainment services available.
Exactly! In fact, I make money by providing these, so I'm intimately acquainted with the phenomenon. When you avail yourself of my free entertainment services you are not my customer. You are my product which I am reselling to someone else. I also provide paid entertainment services, which you would likely not avail yourself of if you had not first seen one of my free services. Yes, I'm playing both ends agains the middle for my own benefit. Welcome to the middle. But if you do not feel you recieve value when I charge you I will lose you as a direct customer. That would make me unhappy.
If you really want to see ROME. .
You seem to have missed the point that I don't. See my first paragraph.
Problem solved.
I don't have a problem. HBO does. See my previous paragraph. I think you might have some issues with the whole buyer/seller relationship. I can't afford to misunderstand this as my income is derived from it directly. Please send money to my post office box.
As for a download on demand service, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to do that if they could be reasonably certain that you could not then redistribute that video to 20,000 or so of your closest friends over P2P.
Well, thank God that their failure to do so prevents that from happening!
Here is the one thing, the only thing, they can be absolutely certain of; media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed. This is an innate property of the business they are in.
If they don't like that they have two choices, 1)Get out of the business. They are no more required to sell media than I am to buy it, 2)Deal with it.
The one who figures out how to deal with it while keeping the customer happy is the one that will still be around and thriving ten years from now.
The customer is control, because their money is theirs.
Deal with it.
I have to, because if I don't I go hungry, not in ten years, but tommorow. Spend a year or two as a street performer. It'll learn ya.
KFG
But you cannot make the argument, "well, because the supermaret gives free samples, I am entitled to take free cheese, even when they are not giving out free samples."
I am puzzled by the fact that you seem to believe I have made that argument. I have done nothing of the kind. Perhaps you need to go read my post again and try to see what those who moderated me saw.
KFG
What if you can feed yourself on free cheese. . .
What if this turns out to be a negative sum game?
Most people aren't going to pay for something they can get free.
Then why is so much precious shelf space devoted to water and dirt?
KFG
You have cable, but you had to download the first five episodes? Does your cable provider not offer Video On Demand?
Mine does. Oddly enough it won't let me watch anything from HBO. You see, I'm not a subscriber. Therefore I remain clueless as to why I should become one.
Okay, most cable providers that offer the VOD also provide Personal Video Recorders to their customers. You could also pop for a DVD Recorder and record it. Again, why with the downloading??
Why should he be forced to pay more for capabilties he's already purchased? Why doesn't HBO and/or his cable company set up a download on demand service for those who prefer to do it that way? It could be leveraged into selling cable internet access as well as channel subscriptions.
KFG
. . .a friend got an unsolicited DVD from HBO in his mail. . .
Ah, I've never seen one of these. Ok, at least they're starting to learn what everyone else has known "forever."
Perhaps that "pirates" and legitimate customers are more closely intertwined than the simplistic among us would like to admit.
Sometimes the key to having a successful business is the careful regulation of theft.
KFG
I can go to the supermarket and eat cheese for free. I don't have to steal it or nothin'. They even slice it up for me. They find that by simply giving cheese away they end up selling more cheese than if they don't. To a certain extent they even reduce shoplifting (most grocery shoplifting isn't hardcore theft, but casual snacking along the way and a package of bologna with one slice removed is, to the store, the same as a whole stolen package of bologna).
The free cheese whets my appetite and makes me more inclined to buy a half pound of the stuff for later.
That is, of course, if the free "cheese" they give me isn't really a pile of poison poo spray painted yellow.
I really hate when that happens.
Perhaps HBO should consider, instead of interdiction, simply giving the first few episodes away to induce subscription, that is, of course and ironically, if the show isn't too cheesy.
If they don't feel inclined to give me a free sample, at my convenience, I'm afraid I'd be inclined to believe there's something about it they don't want me to know.
Like the fact that I wouldn't want to buy it.
KFG
And there will be a host of applications. . .
Girlfriend.
KFG
Not only did we invent and build it -- we paid for it. That doesn't entitle us to something?
Sure, it entititles us to all the wire and boxes we bought, except, of course, that most of that is actually in private hands. You'll find that much of the wire and many of the boxes do not reside in and were not paid for by America.
Should CERN (the "E" in CERN does not refer to the US) "own" the web (we're talking about control of the DNS namespace here, not the internet, which is largely uncontrolable, although China's giving a good try. Bloody shame that Slashdot continues the internet/web confusion, innit?). Europe invented, built and made the initial investment. You could say that America stole it in the first place.
Or is the web, perhaps, just an idea, a set of published, open communications standards, free for anyone to impliment and use?
Or do you think that Italy has some sort of propriatary rights to radio, Scotland to steam engines and Germany to the Theory of Relativity?
KFG
As with any fame driven industry, if a person thinks that they can be one of the top 10 blogs in the entire world, then they should go for it.
But then I'd have to actually spellcheck, proof read and fact find, wouldn't I? Seems like a lot of work just for some money. I can see why most bloggers don't bother with these. Besides, fame gives me an allergic reaction. If one is famous as a profession it generally means, in practice, that people start viewing you as a resource to be exploited; and they generally succeed, otherwise you wouldn't be making money for being famous.
In any case, yeah, you're right. This article might just as well have been titled "Some poets actually make money."
Doesn't mean you want to encourage your kid to take up poetry as a full time profession.
KFG
Well, putting aside for the moment that the story has nothing to do with new specifications of any kind:
.
.and will they all be integrated into my laptop?
How many different wireless cards will I need to use all the different technologies. .
42.
. .
Yeah, but it's going to sting like a son of a bitch.
KFG
Where on the spangled-up squid with the glued-on tits does the fire come out, exactly?
Go watch The 10th Vitim. Who knew tits could do that?
KFG
They ARE FireFox extensions.
Because Flock is FireFox forked by a Firefox developer with some sort of hidden marketing agenda.
He took FireFox, turned it into a squid, dressed it up in spangles and glued tits to it.
Careful boys, you just might get your fingers burned if you try to fondle these puppies.
KFG
Well thank God we can finally text; and even talk to each other over the Internet. It's about bloody time. Why didn't someone think of this sooner?
KFG