Every time news 1/100th as damaging as these came out under Bush, there was an outcry.
Mostly among non-republicans. Now that a democrat is in power, fewer democrats are speaking out when said democrat abusing his power. It's what happens every single time.
And when Bush was in office fewer Republicans were speaking out against him. I have no use for the hypocrisy on either side, but don't pretend it doesn't happen on both sides. Many Republicans use Benghazi in every other sentence these days, but from those same people I heard lots of rationalizations about why we invaded a country that not only didn't have WMD's, but for which there were very good reasons to believe ahead of time didn't have WMD's.
play the lullabies now that they got a Communist in the White House
Hate Obama as much as you like (I'll join you) but calling him a Communist means nobody should take your ranting seriously. Just for laughs, care to say why calling him a Communist makes any sense, even as ranting hyperbole?
Lie to congress about getting a steroid shot and you'll be slapped with contempt. Lie about spying on Americans and half the country will call you a hero.
One thing that has long annoyed me about Java progammers is this whole, "Let's wrap every damn thing in a object."
Java was created when the current fad was "OO is the One True Paradigm". With a big enough hammer you can get any shaped peg to fit into a round hole. Alternatively you could choose a paradigm that fit the problem, but that risks being impure.
Why doesn't java use the operating system to provide that information in the first place?
Because despite being called a portable language, the real Java approach is a portable environment. I'm not debating whether that's good, bad or indifferent, but that is the approach.
Develop software - production software - in an interpreted language?
Not on my watch.
C# and Microsoft is looking better everyday.
Better let Google know they're doing it wrong then.
I always thought the Wars of the Reformation were a fascinating, if horrible, part of history. It's always fun to see them re-enacted in spirit with programming languages. Nobody is planning to destroy Bohemia though, right?
I remember back in the early 90s a friend of mine was so excited about Java. He said it was going to destroy Microsoft and desktop computers as we know it. We'd live in a wonderful fully networked world running completely on Java. It would make the problem of differing platforms obsolete because anything written for one platform would seamlessly run on every other.
I replied that while Java would have its uses, overall it would not make a dent in anything the general user actual does on computers. I think time has proven me right. The fact that Oracle is gripping it so tightly as to nearly kill it, isn't helping my friend's position either.
I said the same thing. Java's success was due to Sun's marketing department more than anything else. I guess the time had come for YALTEAL (yet another language to end all languages).
Before I get flamed, I should say I'm not anti-Java. It has its uses - probably more than I appreciate because Java isn't suitable for my work. However it is not a general purpose programming language, to the extent that such a thing can exist. It's not suitable for low level (device driver, deeply embedded, etc.) and its speed impediment makes it unsuitable for things where that really matters.
The time to move away from Java was as soon as Oracle bought Sun.
I don't know if Python is the answer for everyone, and I know changing to a different language is about as big of a pain as there is, but the jig was up after Sun was bought.
What's your point? For how many of those things were these monitoring programs necessary? They only started in 2007. They weren't able to do this kind of work before that? I find that hard to believe. The FBI could have prevented 9/11 if only headquarters had listened to the field offices, and no widespread monitoring like this would have been necessary. Since 9/11 they're more on the ball. Good. And they were plenty on the ball through 2006, before these programs started. It's called police work, and it was done very successfully for many years without massive surveillance.
Yet more evidence that the terrorists have won.... This "we're dog meat" shit is embarrassing as all hell.
It helps if you put "dog meat" in its original context.
The FBI, NSA, CIA are just too stupid, moronic, retarded to actually work within the Constitution of the United States of America and therefore have to violate it in order to do - attempt - their job.
If they were truly smart, they could work within the confines of the Constitution. But they can't - they are stupid. The terrorists are smart and we're dog meat because our security services are stupid.
Security services have to eliminate basic freedoms to achieve their goals; which means they are morons.
In which case it pretty obvious that he's complaining about the laziness and incompetence of our "security" services, not hiding under a table from the terrorists.
The companies denied knowing a code name (PRISM) and using a specific method for giving data to the gov't (backdoors). They didn't deny participating in a program to give data to the government. ABC News has a good analysis of their statements:
Also all the companies say they only do it in accordance with the law. That may well be true, but so what? That doesn't mean the law isn't corrupt, or that they didn't get an overly broad FISA court order that comes with a gag. I really can't blame these companies as they have little choice. The problem is with the government.
You have it backwards, your 1.5% have no representatives to even complain to
So? Let's say you voted for Obama (I did in 2008). What are you going to do, threaten to vote Republican if he doesn't stop wiping his ass with the Constitution? Barack to George: pass the toilet paper.
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Every time news 1/100th as damaging as these came out under Bush, there was an outcry.
Mostly among non-republicans. Now that a democrat is in power, fewer democrats are speaking out when said democrat abusing his power. It's what happens every single time.
And when Bush was in office fewer Republicans were speaking out against him. I have no use for the hypocrisy on either side, but don't pretend it doesn't happen on both sides. Many Republicans use Benghazi in every other sentence these days, but from those same people I heard lots of rationalizations about why we invaded a country that not only didn't have WMD's, but for which there were very good reasons to believe ahead of time didn't have WMD's.
play the lullabies now that they got a Communist in the White House
Hate Obama as much as you like (I'll join you) but calling him a Communist means nobody should take your ranting seriously. Just for laughs, care to say why calling him a Communist makes any sense, even as ranting hyperbole?
Lie to congress about getting a steroid shot and you'll be slapped with contempt. Lie about spying on Americans and half the country will call you a hero.
In the Wars of the Programming Languages, no episode was more vicious than the Whitespace Battles.
In fact, the idea that you would use whitespace to denote ANYTHING is ludicrous.
Yesyou'reabsolutelyright.Weshouldjustgetridofitentirely.Itsavessomuchtimetypingwhenyoudon'thavetousethespacebaratall.
CLOSEBUTYOUHAVETOGETRIDOFTHEPUNCTUATIONMARKSTOOITSCALLEDSCRIPTUMCONTINUUM
One thing that has long annoyed me about Java progammers is this whole, "Let's wrap every damn thing in a object."
Java was created when the current fad was "OO is the One True Paradigm". With a big enough hammer you can get any shaped peg to fit into a round hole. Alternatively you could choose a paradigm that fit the problem, but that risks being impure.
No, C++ is faster by as much as 3x. There are plenty of apps where that doesn't matter much, and plenty of others where it does.
Why doesn't java use the operating system to provide that information in the first place?
Because despite being called a portable language, the real Java approach is a portable environment. I'm not debating whether that's good, bad or indifferent, but that is the approach.
it's Time to switch to python
Develop software - production software - in an interpreted language?
Not on my watch.
C# and Microsoft is looking better everyday.
Better let Google know they're doing it wrong then.
I always thought the Wars of the Reformation were a fascinating, if horrible, part of history. It's always fun to see them re-enacted in spirit with programming languages. Nobody is planning to destroy Bohemia though, right?
I remember back in the early 90s a friend of mine was so excited about Java. He said it was going to destroy Microsoft and desktop computers as we know it. We'd live in a wonderful fully networked world running completely on Java. It would make the problem of differing platforms obsolete because anything written for one platform would seamlessly run on every other.
I replied that while Java would have its uses, overall it would not make a dent in anything the general user actual does on computers. I think time has proven me right. The fact that Oracle is gripping it so tightly as to nearly kill it, isn't helping my friend's position either.
I said the same thing. Java's success was due to Sun's marketing department more than anything else. I guess the time had come for YALTEAL (yet another language to end all languages).
Before I get flamed, I should say I'm not anti-Java. It has its uses - probably more than I appreciate because Java isn't suitable for my work. However it is not a general purpose programming language, to the extent that such a thing can exist. It's not suitable for low level (device driver, deeply embedded, etc.) and its speed impediment makes it unsuitable for things where that really matters.
The time to move away from Java was as soon as Oracle bought Sun.
I don't know if Python is the answer for everyone, and I know changing to a different language is about as big of a pain as there is, but the jig was up after Sun was bought.
Those get ignored. Things like "OWS" or "Fourth Amendment" get flagged.
It worked for J. Edgar.
It was a joke.
What's your point? For how many of those things were these monitoring programs necessary? They only started in 2007. They weren't able to do this kind of work before that? I find that hard to believe. The FBI could have prevented 9/11 if only headquarters had listened to the field offices, and no widespread monitoring like this would have been necessary. Since 9/11 they're more on the ball. Good. And they were plenty on the ball through 2006, before these programs started. It's called police work, and it was done very successfully for many years without massive surveillance.
"The terrorists are smart and we're dog meat"
Yet more evidence that the terrorists have won. ... This "we're dog meat" shit is embarrassing as all hell.
It helps if you put "dog meat" in its original context.
The FBI, NSA, CIA are just too stupid, moronic, retarded to actually work within the Constitution of the United States of America and therefore have to violate it in order to do - attempt - their job. If they were truly smart, they could work within the confines of the Constitution. But they can't - they are stupid. The terrorists are smart and we're dog meat because our security services are stupid. Security services have to eliminate basic freedoms to achieve their goals; which means they are morons.
In which case it pretty obvious that he's complaining about the laziness and incompetence of our "security" services, not hiding under a table from the terrorists.
Alas the other guy won. I think. He did, right?
There were two candidates?
FB a division of the Illuminati? No way would they be associated with a cut-rate scam like FB. Google sure, but not FB.
Is it a chocolate statue wrapped in pretty colored foil? I used to love getting those for Easter.
The companies denied knowing a code name (PRISM) and using a specific method for giving data to the gov't (backdoors). They didn't deny participating in a program to give data to the government. ABC News has a good analysis of their statements:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/nsa-prism-dissecting-technology-companies-adamant-denial-involvement/story?id=19350095
Also all the companies say they only do it in accordance with the law. That may well be true, but so what? That doesn't mean the law isn't corrupt, or that they didn't get an overly broad FISA court order that comes with a gag. I really can't blame these companies as they have little choice. The problem is with the government.
You have it backwards, your 1.5% have no representatives to even complain to
So? Let's say you voted for Obama (I did in 2008). What are you going to do, threaten to vote Republican if he doesn't stop wiping his ass with the Constitution? Barack to George: pass the toilet paper.
they have been very clear they don't give out access without court orders
So? Orders can come from the FISA court. Who knows how broad they are? Who is going to complain about them since they're secret?
In all fairness I don't blame FB, the big G, etc. They don't have much choice in following court orders. The problem lies with the government.
being dropped off at the office by black SUV's
Limo service for your commute? Cool perk.
you have the right to remain silent
Not anymore.
Have you never considered that Google itself may be a department of the NSA?
Or maybe the NSA is a Google department.