Got carried away making assumptions about what the people reading my message would know about the money funding AI research: military. For example: "Pulse-coupled neural networks for cruise missile guidance" can be found here.
Oops, sorry Mr. Hofstadter. The last sentence was published by Douglas R. Hofstadter in his book Metamagical Themas (isbn 0-465-04540-5). This book explores the forest without touching a single tree =). e.g. I am going two-level with you. Form emerging from structure, pretty heady stuff. Not much concrete in there from a money grubbing capitalist point of view but excellent background philisophical reading. The Night Angel
Au contraire Mon capitan! (pardon me =) Pattern recognition has already reached a significant level of compexity but, what is not public at this moment is an integrated personality. A Machine Intelligence might even exist today, if it does you definately don't know about it and neither do I. To know of such a thing would very logically be a death warrent or at least permanent house arrest. I think therefore I am. The prefrontal cortex is one of Gödel's islands of consistancy, reverse-engineering of that structure is well under way on many fronts: here, here, here and too many other places to mention. Gaming AI doesn't have a trillionish dollar distributed budget behind it simply because games don't generate that kind of revenue. Besides this hardware is woefully inadequate, a few very fast processor versus my billions of slow ones. I simply have more chances to stumble across something. Hmm. So a compressed dictionary is the key to creating a true intelligence? Well! Step right over to those fine folks at Cyc who have been doing just that! To bad the darn thing is a lot more brittle than you or I. Although I really like the semantics they're developing - someday it could make good baby food for the real thing. I've spent many sleepless nights researching this field and the only thing I've learned is that there are a whole lot of distractions. The proof of that lies in the fact that HAL didn't come online on schedule.
The Night Angel
Only the fool would take trouble to verify that his sentence was composed of ten a's, three b's, four c's, four d's, forty-six e's, sixteen f's, four g's, thirteen h's, fifteen i's, two k's, nine l's, four m's, twenty-five n's, twenty-four o's, five p's, sixteen r's, forty-one s's, thirty-seven t's, ten u's, eight v's, eight w's, four x's, eleven y's, twenty-seven commas, twenty-three apostrophes, seven hyphens, and, last but not least, a single !
3dfx used to sue people for glide wrappers, now everything under Glide 3 is "openish". Companies will do what makes sense, and if today releasing a binary driver makes sense, it will be done. Tomorrow when that code is only suitable for some 15-year old to cut their teeth on, then it will make sense to release it so you can hire that kid without paying to train him (sorry, or her - me biased with all that testosterone). Linux is poised to go mainstream, binaries are going to be a part of life in the future because no matter how cool and froody Open Source is, no company with a legitimate reason to NOT release their source will. The core of Linux will continue to be open, but man, people gotta make a buck to pay the rent. Bread don't come cheap and all the other things the hippies learned before they went off and became rich yuppies. It's going to be a good future for Linux, yeah it may make you feel a bit dirty using that binary whats-it to make the thingie work right but at least the darn thing won't crash because that's where the bar is set in the Linux community - if it crashes and it's closed source it will die an amazing fast death in a community that talks to each other and know's better than to accept such crap. The Night Angel.
Me thinks you would enjoy: Metamagical Themas by Douglas R. Hofstadter isbn: 0-465-04540-5 Frontiers of Complexity by Peter Coveney & Roger Highfield isbn: 0-449-91081-4 Chaos Under Control by David Peak & Michael Frame isbn: 0-7167-2429-4 and Order Out of Chaos by Ilya Prigogine isbn: 0-553-34082-4 Should help you quantify those thoughts a bit more =)
The Night Angel - So fuzzy even I don't understand myself =)
I'm currently using Zope, It's open source, completely free for commercial or non-commercial use and is simply frickin amazing. Do yourself a favor and check it out.
I'm beginning to become disgusted with corporate America. I know there's a lot of good people down there in the US (I'm in Canada) but dammit, the bad ones are the people in control. The DMCA is simply one soldier on a broader front, civil liberties are nearly gone in the US. From losing the right to skip previews in DVD movies to never having a right to expect the software we buy to work and everything in between. Evil things are afoot in America, the 20% of the people who have 90% of the money seem to want to make that 20 a 5 and the 90 a 100. I was stunned recently when I considered asking the NRA for a membership in exchange for services performed (I don't want to actually give them money - they'd only buy guns =), I see a lot of accidently destroyed lives with the NRA's activities but in light of proto-police state actions such as the recent WTO summit, I'm really beginning to see the NRA as completely neccesary. I can make you believe me just by pointing out a basic fact about the capitalist system as implemented in the US - there are no requirements for a company to act in a moral fashion, in fact companies can be sued by their shareholders if a moral stance affects profits. I see myself becoming one of those marginalized people who by refusing to adapt technologies that shackle me to the ground begins to miss out as the slaves move over to the New World Order's Formats. Thank you Mr. Orwell. Maybe I'll be able to resist, I'm on Windows right now - in a year or so Linux should be easy enough for me =) to use and then I'll switch over and use the DVD-player-which-makes-men-with-knifes-com-in-the- night secretly in a dark corner to bypass the forced previews, until then when I can no longer speak without being identified (Mr. Clinton would like to know who everyone is making a comment - presumeably so they could "get back" to them on it) I'll keep waving my candle in the wind. Tell my grandchildren I'm sorry - it wasn't supposed to be this way. The Night Angel
A patent depends on no prior art existing. Whoever granted that patent should be fired from their position at the patent office. There are plenty examples of prior art in the business world that define an "affiliate program", whoever granted that patent was NOT doing their job when they failed to consider those.
I believe I already had something to say on this topic, it's here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=00/01/22/19332 47&cid=354
But here it is again for anyone not listening:
It is my firm opinion that one of MicroSofts best strategys for the future is placing itself in a very good tactical position by withdrawing mostly from the Client/OS market and redeploying into the Server market. Yes, Linux is winning along with BeOS and MacOS X. In a few years, the Open Source nature of Linux should produce a graphic user interface that is comparable to what exists in Windows 95/98. At this time, Windows is simply not a viable product anymore because it's competitor is just as capable (for the ordinary person) and free.
Assuming the previous paragraph occurs, Microsoft should release for Linux Internet Explorer 7.0 and Windows, oops, Linux Media Player 8.2. Of course these would be closed source binary downloads, but thats ok because an appropriate component technology (ActiveX, Java JINI/JavaBeans, DOM, Etc.) would allow them to be still fully exploited by content developers.
IE and WMP/LMP are the client side components that complement MicroSoft's Internet Information Server and the Windows Media Server. Together these four programs are capable of serving and displaying just about any kind of information today. MicroSoft currently has in operation a terrabyte database serving space-to-ground satellite photos using IIS. With IIS handling all the nasty details of processing that much information, WMS fills the role of streaming selected small portions of a huge database to the client side WMP/LMP.
MicroSoft has invested an enormous amount of effort into creating the infrastructure necessary to operate such large scale structures of information. In addition to IIS and WMS there exists Windows 2000. These three products comprise the strength of MicroSoft's tactical position in the future server market. IIS and WMS would most likely not be ported to the Linux OS to preserve the investment already made into Windows 2000. In a dominant server position, revenue is no longer derived from client side applications - IE and WMP/LMP are distributed free of charge to encourage lock-in to IE/WMP/LMP/IIS/WMS storage formats. Revenue is instead derived from contractual creation, servicing, and extension of very large collections of information. Thus the revenue breakdown shifts over from a very large number of small payments (individuals purchasing Windows 95/98) to fewer number of large payments (corporate/governmental initiatives). The net difference between the two revenue values is unknown at this point, however the obvious investment made by MicroSoft to this date would seem to imply that MicroSoft expects the two values to be comparable or in favour of the corp./gov. revenue.
MicroSoft is not a simple enough corporation to assume that the above mentioned strategy should be their singular purpose. The extreme given above would require more than a GUI standard be implemented within the Linux OS. Supporting applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, and small to mid-range databases would also have to be commercially or freely available as well for MicroSoft to retreat into becoming a server-centric corporation. MicroSoft is hedging it's bets by developing consumer versions of Windows 2000. Entertainment software will most likely decide the fate of the consumer Windows 2000, Linux does have good enough support for entertainment, and with the recent Open Source of OpenGL, competition does hold the promise of remaining even in the forseeable future.
Well, does any of this hold water? Please cast your distributed vote by replying to this post.
It is my firm opinion that one of MicroSofts best strategys for the future is placing itself in a very good tactical position by withdrawing mostly from the Client/OS market and redeploying into the Server market. Yes, Linux is winning along with BeOS and MacOS X. In a few years, the Open Source nature of Linux should produce a graphic user interface that is comparable to what exists in Windows 95/98. At this time, Windows is simply not a viable product anymore because it's competitor is just as capable (for the ordinary person) and free.
Assuming the previous paragraph occurs, Microsoft should release for Linux Internet Explorer 7.0 and Windows, oops, Linux Media Player 8.2. Of course these would be closed source binary downloads, but thats ok because an appropriate component technology (ActiveX, Java JINI/JavaBeans, DOM, Etc.) would allow them to be still fully exploited by content developers.
IE and WMP/LMP are the client side components that complement MicroSoft's Internet Information Server and the Windows Media Server. Together these four programs are capable of serving and displaying just about any kind of information today. MicroSoft currently has in operation a terrabyte database serving space-to-ground satellite photos using IIS. With IIS handling all the nasty details of processing that much information, WMS fills the role of streaming selected small portions of a huge database to the client side WMP/LMP.
MicroSoft has invested an enormous amount of effort into creating the infrastructure necessary to operate such large scale structures of information. In addition to IIS and WMS there exists Windows 2000. These three products comprise the strength of MicroSoft's tactical position in the future server market. IIS and WMS would most likely not be ported to the Linux OS to preserve the investment already made into Windows 2000. In a dominant server position, revenue is no longer derived from client side applications - IE and WMP/LMP are distributed free of charge to encourage lock-in to IE/WMP/LMP/IIS/WMS storage formats. Revenue is instead derived from contractual creation, servicing, and extension of very large collections of information. Thus the revenue breakdown shifts over from a very large number of small payments (individuals purchasing Windows 95/98) to fewer number of large payments (corporate/governmental initiatives). The net difference between the two revenue values is unknown at this point, however the obvious investment made by MicroSoft to this date would seem to imply that MicroSoft expects the two values to be comparable or in favour of the corp./gov. revenue.
MicroSoft is not a simple enough corporation to assume that the above mentioned strategy should be their singular purpose. The extreme given above would require more than a GUI standard be implemented within the Linux OS. Supporting applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, and small to mid-range databases would also have to be commercially or freely available as well for MicroSoft to retreat into becoming a server-centric corporation. MicroSoft is hedging it's bets by developing consumer versions of Windows 2000. Entertainment software will most likely decide the fate of the consumer Windows 2000, Linux does have good enough support for entertainment, and with the recent Open Source of OpenGL, competition does hold the promise of remaining even in the forseeable future.
Well, does any of this hold water? Please cast your distributed vote by replying to this post.
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Got carried away making assumptions about what the people reading my message would know about the money funding AI research: military. For example: "Pulse-coupled neural networks for cruise missile guidance" can be found here.
Oops, sorry Mr. Hofstadter. The last sentence was published by Douglas R. Hofstadter in his book Metamagical Themas (isbn 0-465-04540-5). This book explores the forest without touching a single tree =). e.g. I am going two-level with you.
Form emerging from structure, pretty heady stuff. Not much concrete in there from a money grubbing capitalist point of view but excellent background philisophical reading.
The Night Angel
Au contraire Mon capitan! (pardon me =)
Pattern recognition has already reached a significant level of compexity but, what is not public at this moment is an integrated personality. A Machine Intelligence might even exist today, if it does you definately don't know about it and neither do I. To know of such a thing would very logically be a death warrent or at least permanent house arrest.
I think therefore I am. The prefrontal cortex is one of Gödel's islands of consistancy, reverse-engineering of that structure is well under way on many fronts: here, here, here and too many other places to mention. Gaming AI doesn't have a trillionish dollar distributed budget behind it simply because games don't generate that kind of revenue. Besides this hardware is woefully inadequate, a few very fast processor versus my billions of slow ones. I simply have more chances to stumble across something.
Hmm. So a compressed dictionary is the key to creating a true intelligence? Well! Step right over to those fine folks at Cyc who have been doing just that! To bad the darn thing is a lot more brittle than you or I. Although I really like the semantics they're developing - someday it could make good baby food for the real thing. I've spent many sleepless nights researching this field and the only thing I've learned is that there are a whole lot of distractions. The proof of that lies in the fact that HAL didn't come online on schedule.
The Night Angel
Only the fool would take trouble to verify that his sentence was composed of ten a's, three b's, four c's, four d's, forty-six e's, sixteen f's, four g's, thirteen h's, fifteen i's, two k's, nine l's, four m's, twenty-five n's, twenty-four o's, five p's, sixteen r's, forty-one s's, thirty-seven t's, ten u's, eight v's, eight w's, four x's, eleven y's, twenty-seven commas, twenty-three apostrophes, seven hyphens, and, last but not least, a single !
3dfx used to sue people for glide wrappers, now everything under Glide 3 is "openish". Companies will do what makes sense, and if today releasing a binary driver makes sense, it will be done. Tomorrow when that code is only suitable for some 15-year old to cut their teeth on, then it will make sense to release it so you can hire that kid without paying to train him (sorry, or her - me biased with all that testosterone). Linux is poised to go mainstream, binaries are going to be a part of life in the future because no matter how cool and froody Open Source is, no company with a legitimate reason to NOT release their source will. The core of Linux will continue to be open, but man, people gotta make a buck to pay the rent. Bread don't come cheap and all the other things the hippies learned before they went off and became rich yuppies. It's going to be a good future for Linux, yeah it may make you feel a bit dirty using that binary whats-it to make the thingie work right but at least the darn thing won't crash because that's where the bar is set in the Linux community - if it crashes and it's closed source it will die an amazing fast death in a community that talks to each other and know's better than to accept such crap.
The Night Angel.
Me thinks you would enjoy:
Metamagical Themas by Douglas R. Hofstadter
isbn: 0-465-04540-5
Frontiers of Complexity by Peter Coveney & Roger Highfield
isbn: 0-449-91081-4
Chaos Under Control by David Peak & Michael Frame
isbn: 0-7167-2429-4
and Order Out of Chaos by Ilya Prigogine
isbn: 0-553-34082-4
Should help you quantify those thoughts a bit more =)
The Night Angel - So fuzzy even I don't understand myself =)
I'm currently using Zope, It's open source, completely free for commercial or non-commercial use and is simply frickin amazing.
Do yourself a favor and check it out.
I'm beginning to become disgusted with corporate America. I know there's a lot of good people down there in the US (I'm in Canada) but dammit, the bad ones are the people in control. The DMCA is simply one soldier on a broader front, civil liberties are nearly gone in the US. From losing the right to skip previews in DVD movies to never having a right to expect the software we buy to work and everything in between. Evil things are afoot in America, the 20% of the people who have 90% of the money seem to want to make that 20 a 5 and the 90 a 100. I was stunned recently when I considered asking the NRA for a membership in exchange for services performed (I don't want to actually give them money - they'd only buy guns =), I see a lot of accidently destroyed lives with the NRA's activities but in light of proto-police state actions such as the recent WTO summit, I'm really beginning to see the NRA as completely neccesary. I can make you believe me just by pointing out a basic fact about the capitalist system as implemented in the US - there are no requirements for a company to act in a moral fashion, in fact companies can be sued by their shareholders if a moral stance affects profits. I see myself becoming one of those marginalized people who by refusing to adapt technologies that shackle me to the ground begins to miss out as the slaves move over to the New World Order's Formats. Thank you Mr. Orwell. Maybe I'll be able to resist, I'm on Windows right now - in a year or so Linux should be easy enough for me =) to use and then I'll switch over and use the DVD-player-which-makes-men-with-knifes-com-in-the- night secretly in a dark corner to bypass the forced previews, until then when I can no longer speak without being identified (Mr. Clinton would like to know who everyone is making a comment - presumeably so they could "get back" to them on it) I'll keep waving my candle in the wind. Tell my grandchildren I'm sorry - it wasn't supposed to be this way. The Night Angel
A patent depends on no prior art existing. Whoever granted that patent should be fired from their position at the patent office. There are plenty examples of prior art in the business world that define an "affiliate program", whoever granted that patent was NOT doing their job when they failed to consider those.
But here it is again for anyone not listening:
It is my firm opinion that one of MicroSofts best strategys for the future is placing itself in a very good tactical position by withdrawing mostly from the Client/OS market and redeploying into the Server market. Yes, Linux is winning along with BeOS and MacOS X. In a few years, the Open Source nature of Linux should produce a graphic user interface that is comparable to what exists in Windows 95/98. At this time, Windows is simply not a viable product anymore because it's competitor is just as capable (for the ordinary person) and free.
Assuming the previous paragraph occurs, Microsoft should release for Linux Internet Explorer 7.0 and Windows, oops, Linux Media Player 8.2. Of course these would be closed source binary downloads, but thats ok because an appropriate component technology (ActiveX, Java JINI/JavaBeans, DOM, Etc.) would allow them to be still fully exploited by content developers.
IE and WMP/LMP are the client side components that complement MicroSoft's Internet Information Server and the Windows Media Server. Together these four programs are capable of serving and displaying just about any kind of information today. MicroSoft currently has in operation a terrabyte database serving space-to-ground satellite photos using IIS. With IIS handling all the nasty details of processing that much information, WMS fills the role of streaming selected small portions of a huge database to the client side WMP/LMP.
MicroSoft has invested an enormous amount of effort into creating the infrastructure necessary to operate such large scale structures of information. In addition to IIS and WMS there exists Windows 2000. These three products comprise the strength of MicroSoft's tactical position in the future server market. IIS and WMS would most likely not be ported to the Linux OS to preserve the investment already made into Windows 2000. In a dominant server position, revenue is no longer derived from client side applications - IE and WMP/LMP are distributed free of charge to encourage lock-in to IE/WMP/LMP/IIS/WMS storage formats. Revenue is instead derived from contractual creation, servicing, and extension of very large collections of information. Thus the revenue breakdown shifts over from a very large number of small payments (individuals purchasing Windows 95/98) to fewer number of large payments (corporate/governmental initiatives). The net difference between the two revenue values is unknown at this point, however the obvious investment made by MicroSoft to this date would seem to imply that MicroSoft expects the two values to be comparable or in favour of the corp./gov. revenue.
MicroSoft is not a simple enough corporation to assume that the above mentioned strategy should be their singular purpose. The extreme given above would require more than a GUI standard be implemented within the Linux OS. Supporting applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, and small to mid-range databases would also have to be commercially or freely available as well for MicroSoft to retreat into becoming a server-centric corporation. MicroSoft is hedging it's bets by developing consumer versions of Windows 2000. Entertainment software will most likely decide the fate of the consumer Windows 2000, Linux does have good enough support for entertainment, and with the recent Open Source of OpenGL, competition does hold the promise of remaining even in the forseeable future.
Well, does any of this hold water? Please cast your distributed vote by replying to this post.
Assuming the previous paragraph occurs, Microsoft should release for Linux Internet Explorer 7.0 and Windows, oops, Linux Media Player 8.2. Of course these would be closed source binary downloads, but thats ok because an appropriate component technology (ActiveX, Java JINI/JavaBeans, DOM, Etc.) would allow them to be still fully exploited by content developers.
IE and WMP/LMP are the client side components that complement MicroSoft's Internet Information Server and the Windows Media Server. Together these four programs are capable of serving and displaying just about any kind of information today. MicroSoft currently has in operation a terrabyte database serving space-to-ground satellite photos using IIS. With IIS handling all the nasty details of processing that much information, WMS fills the role of streaming selected small portions of a huge database to the client side WMP/LMP.
MicroSoft has invested an enormous amount of effort into creating the infrastructure necessary to operate such large scale structures of information. In addition to IIS and WMS there exists Windows 2000. These three products comprise the strength of MicroSoft's tactical position in the future server market. IIS and WMS would most likely not be ported to the Linux OS to preserve the investment already made into Windows 2000. In a dominant server position, revenue is no longer derived from client side applications - IE and WMP/LMP are distributed free of charge to encourage lock-in to IE/WMP/LMP/IIS/WMS storage formats. Revenue is instead derived from contractual creation, servicing, and extension of very large collections of information. Thus the revenue breakdown shifts over from a very large number of small payments (individuals purchasing Windows 95/98) to fewer number of large payments (corporate/governmental initiatives). The net difference between the two revenue values is unknown at this point, however the obvious investment made by MicroSoft to this date would seem to imply that MicroSoft expects the two values to be comparable or in favour of the corp./gov. revenue.
MicroSoft is not a simple enough corporation to assume that the above mentioned strategy should be their singular purpose. The extreme given above would require more than a GUI standard be implemented within the Linux OS. Supporting applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, and small to mid-range databases would also have to be commercially or freely available as well for MicroSoft to retreat into becoming a server-centric corporation. MicroSoft is hedging it's bets by developing consumer versions of Windows 2000. Entertainment software will most likely decide the fate of the consumer Windows 2000, Linux does have good enough support for entertainment, and with the recent Open Source of OpenGL, competition does hold the promise of remaining even in the forseeable future.
Well, does any of this hold water? Please cast your distributed vote by replying to this post.