This is a valid point. Trans/non-binary support is sadly still very rare online. However, I kinda doubt you care all that much, as you call us "transgenders" and "transgendered" (and seem to believe trans ladies and trans dudes are interchangeable?).
I think there's a big difference between discriminating against gay people, and people who actively campaign to make other people's lives worse.
This false equivalency "omg why don't you tolerate my intolerance" doesn't actually make ANY sense if you have anything beyond a dictionary-level understanding of the words. Tolerance doesn't mean "Don't be mean to the schoolyard bully." It means "Don't be the schoolyard bully."
The fact that he hasn't issued an apology makes forgiving him a little more difficult. (Yes, he offered a statement that was like "we as a company are committed to freedom," but it didn't address his prior actions or views).
Maybe once he deigns to say the word "sorry" I'll worry about whether or not he's a good person.
They'd be perfectly within their rights, just as OKCupid is. Or would you rather OKCupid refrain from expressing themselves on their own website, just because you don't like it?:)
Easy - the former is only said by people who think women are fragile beings who need protection by big strong men. Or, can you not tell the difference between MRAs and feminists?
If I say "hey, hey, woah, let's check out BOTH SIDES of the evolution argument" - it's not hard to figure out that I don't "believe" in evolution. Just because your literal words sound objective, doesn't mean that they are.
So, if instead of saying homophobia, I said heterosexism, all my arguments would instantly be valid? Weird that you're hung up on a word you don't understand the meaning of.
We enforce free speech laws that allow the Westboro Baptist Church to protest, don't we? Why is that "the reverse" of protecting racist Nazi's?
Oh, you mean that you want to be able to shit on other people, and face no *social* backlash? That doesn't work for Nazis, either, sorry.
"Billy, you're a fucking idiot! What, I don't see anything wrong with that statement, it doesn't offend *me,* my name's Jerry - for God's sake, Billy, quit CRYING."
It's not so much *who* they're rude toward (everyone), so much as the *way* in which they're rude.
There's a big difference between "You suck at this game" and "You play like a girl," to use the most tame example I can think of. Putting down players by implying that they're $category, using hateful slurs, only propagates the idea that $category is not a desirable thing to be. Not only are they hurting the player they're insulting, but any person in $category that is in the same game; as well as teaching the non-$category people that this is an acceptable way to act.
Sure, but in Paris, I assume you're allowed to leave your apartment for more than an hour a day. Unless... is this where the reputation of the French not getting any work done comes from?
Actually, it turns out that the perceived odds of getting caught matter a lot more as a deterrent than the size of the punishment. What's the difference between 10 years and 20, when you've got to make rent next week or your mom will get kicked outta her home?
Oh, I totally agree that it's sexism, and a problem.
I guess I feel weird about the parent of my original post (is that the... GGGGGP at this point?) seeming to assert that we shouldn't be worrying about getting lady programmers, because we don't have enough guy teachers - as if it's a zero-sum game. Especially since, to me, they seem simply like two different sides of the same coin - the same sort of forces that say teaching is "women's work" also say that "programming is for men."
I definitely don't deny that males are underrepresented in elementary education - the number I see floating around most often is 18% to 20%. I am having a lot more trouble finding statistics on how male teachers are perceived, but since you guys say that this is a real problem, I believe you.
Does what I was saying about the reason that men are viewed as pedophiles not make sense to you all? It seems really straightforward to me, that since we believe women "should" care for children, we view men with suspicion.
By the way, http://www.menteach.org/about_... might be a resource you'd like to send money to. They look like they do good work promoting male teachers in elementary schools (though their website is a little outdated).
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This is a valid point. Trans/non-binary support is sadly still very rare online. However, I kinda doubt you care all that much, as you call us "transgenders" and "transgendered" (and seem to believe trans ladies and trans dudes are interchangeable?).
You can just click through to use the site normally. It's just a suggestion.
I don't hate Eich.
I think there's a big difference between discriminating against gay people, and people who actively campaign to make other people's lives worse.
This false equivalency "omg why don't you tolerate my intolerance" doesn't actually make ANY sense if you have anything beyond a dictionary-level understanding of the words. Tolerance doesn't mean "Don't be mean to the schoolyard bully." It means "Don't be the schoolyard bully."
The fact that he hasn't issued an apology makes forgiving him a little more difficult. (Yes, he offered a statement that was like "we as a company are committed to freedom," but it didn't address his prior actions or views).
Maybe once he deigns to say the word "sorry" I'll worry about whether or not he's a good person.
Shockingly, parent companies don't always dictate everything their sub companies do.
They'd be perfectly within their rights, just as OKCupid is. Or would you rather OKCupid refrain from expressing themselves on their own website, just because you don't like it? :)
I care.
You coulda taken the kids, sweetheart. In the overwhelming majority of splits, if the dad wants the kids, he gets them.
Why on Earth do you think that the appropriate way to punish the bigwigs making these decisions is to make the employees' lives harder?
The people against it spent a hell of a lot more money.
So, you think that straight & gay people could choose to be bisexual? I guess?
And sure, you legitimately think that. There are people who legitimately think the earth is 6000 years old, too. Doesn't make you any less wrong.
It's kinda telling that, for you, "competition" has to include shitting on people who aren't even involved, or you won't enjoy it.
Easy - the former is only said by people who think women are fragile beings who need protection by big strong men. Or, can you not tell the difference between MRAs and feminists?
It's not hard to extrapolate.
If I say "hey, hey, woah, let's check out BOTH SIDES of the evolution argument" - it's not hard to figure out that I don't "believe" in evolution. Just because your literal words sound objective, doesn't mean that they are.
Yes, saying that an unchangeable characteristic about a person is socially acceptable is too radical for Slashdot.
What's next? Games that say it's "okay" to be black?? Please, free market, save us from this terrible fate!
So, if instead of saying homophobia, I said heterosexism, all my arguments would instantly be valid? Weird that you're hung up on a word you don't understand the meaning of.
We enforce free speech laws that allow the Westboro Baptist Church to protest, don't we? Why is that "the reverse" of protecting racist Nazi's?
Oh, you mean that you want to be able to shit on other people, and face no *social* backlash? That doesn't work for Nazis, either, sorry.
Yes, the "market" is going to magically erase misogyny in gaming, because here's these games that sold super well for being misogynist.
"Billy, you're a fucking idiot! What, I don't see anything wrong with that statement, it doesn't offend *me,* my name's Jerry - for God's sake, Billy, quit CRYING."
It's not so much *who* they're rude toward (everyone), so much as the *way* in which they're rude.
There's a big difference between "You suck at this game" and "You play like a girl," to use the most tame example I can think of. Putting down players by implying that they're $category, using hateful slurs, only propagates the idea that $category is not a desirable thing to be. Not only are they hurting the player they're insulting, but any person in $category that is in the same game; as well as teaching the non-$category people that this is an acceptable way to act.
Too bad his conviction was overturned. He spent 28 years in solitary for a crime he shouldn't have been convicted of.
Sure, but in Paris, I assume you're allowed to leave your apartment for more than an hour a day. Unless... is this where the reputation of the French not getting any work done comes from?
Actually, it turns out that the perceived odds of getting caught matter a lot more as a deterrent than the size of the punishment. What's the difference between 10 years and 20, when you've got to make rent next week or your mom will get kicked outta her home?
Yay, work for pay. As little as 12 cents an hour, and a maximum of $1.15 an hour.
What wonderful opportunities we've afforded our inmates.
Oh, I totally agree that it's sexism, and a problem.
I guess I feel weird about the parent of my original post (is that the... GGGGGP at this point?) seeming to assert that we shouldn't be worrying about getting lady programmers, because we don't have enough guy teachers - as if it's a zero-sum game. Especially since, to me, they seem simply like two different sides of the same coin - the same sort of forces that say teaching is "women's work" also say that "programming is for men."
I definitely don't deny that males are underrepresented in elementary education - the number I see floating around most often is 18% to 20%. I am having a lot more trouble finding statistics on how male teachers are perceived, but since you guys say that this is a real problem, I believe you.
Does what I was saying about the reason that men are viewed as pedophiles not make sense to you all? It seems really straightforward to me, that since we believe women "should" care for children, we view men with suspicion.
By the way, http://www.menteach.org/about_... might be a resource you'd like to send money to. They look like they do good work promoting male teachers in elementary schools (though their website is a little outdated).