When you buy a work of those arts, you know you have something that is one-of-a-kind.
OK, so it's art if I can PAY for it? So would that be something like "it's not a real operating system unless you pay for it." As for one of a kind, Andy Worhal made silkscreens of his art.
A rung below these "fine arts" you have...
You ass.
Who are you to judge what value, what rung of the ladder a medium should be? What creative abilities do you have. Let us be your judge! Asshole!
Those who can, create. Those who can't become art critics.
Fuck 'em. You're part of an important new art form that will be seen one day as legitimate as painting, sculpting, photography, or any other accepted form of art.
Picasso wasn't understood during his early career. Van Gogh was ingored until well after his death. Michealangelo's rendering of the human form, known as contrapasto, was considered "twisted and agonized." Leonardo De Vinci, who taught us how to paint with light, was considered a nut. Mozzart's music was too complicated for the ear. Blah blah blah...
Does history remember the names of art critics? NO. So why give a shit so long as what you do means something to you? Are you saying something when you create? That's where you should draw your convictions from. Not some asshole with a snobby opinion.
Don't seek self-validation from other people. You'll be waiting a long time.
1) Atari Pac-Man - everyone has a copy, so it has a 90% showing on Gartner's latest report. Everyone must be playing it then, right? 2) Berzerk - "Quarter detected in pocket." 3) Night Driver - Race against clock. Uh-oh - Mindscape is keeping time! 4) Space War - A sucking black hole at the center of the screen pulls everything in, and ultimately nothing escapes.
OK, maybe it's none of the above. What would it be?
My biggest concern is if I allow my apps/data/content to be stored on a remote server what happens when the EUA changes? Can anyone on Slashdot even guess at how many stories have appeared where we've seen personal user information sold or traded after the EUA quietly changes? fsck that. I will not be a user of Microsoft's.NET.
Apps and data should be local. Thin clients are a creature for local LANs, not the internet.
This article also links to a "Flyweights" competition between Mac OS9 and Corel Linux! Whatever you may feel about Distros, most Linux users feel this is the most flawed mainstream Distro. C|Net Justifies the comparison between these two by saying they both have a 4% market share, so we should compare them. Winner:OS9. Why? Because MS doesn't support Linux.
So in this article C|Net pits OSX against an OS that arguably has a 66% potential market share. WTF? And the contest goes to OSX at the end. Why? Not for any reason consistent with the Linux vs. OS9. That article tells me MS has to support an OS to be worth my while. Here's a contest with an MS OS and they give it to the other guy because - Why? - It has a "unix core"!!!!
In my view the biggest loser in this contest is C|Net.
I would suspect AT&T will not be looking for cash from Microsoft (OK maybe a little cash) but the REAL thing they have to gain is influence. AT&T having a voice in the future evolution of Windows. Imagine how AT&T must salivate when they think they might have a voice in MS architecture, networking, etc...
Also, AT&T Worldnet might enjoy embracing, extending, and engulfing MSN. The idea of becoming a real competitor to AOL gives AT&T a woody.
Information wants to be radioactive.
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So let me get this straight. I can find all the information I need to build a nuclear reactor, written at a level a 15 year old boy scout can understand, and that's "OK". But DeCSS is BAD. We can't have that kind of dangerous code out there! We might copy movies.
So once again: Irradiating 40,000 people is OK. Fair Use copies of DVDs are bad.
And we wonder why the world thinks America is fucking nuts.
I'll sue this website on the basis they have created a geek-theme website without my permission. As a geek I should be consulted and compensated.
I will also sue major hollywood studios for the portrayal of geeks in film, because it infringes on my intellectual property rights to geek language and culture.
At $5.45 I'm not ever going to get rich from owning Redhat stock. I'm not a programmer and don't have a lot of spare time to donate to beta testing or contributing to open development. So I own a few shares and I buy a Distro once in a while. (Not always Redhat, sometimes Mandrake.) I just think of it as chipping in for the cause.
Too bad you did the AC thing. You'll probably never know I responded. If I sounded sanctimonious I didn't mean to be. Just as I'm sure you don't mean to sounds like a crass, cynical loudmouth.
Put up your own DeCCS site and challenge the MPAA yourself.
You're assuming I haven't. You haven't seen my website.
Perhaps your ego is a little bit overblown ?
I believe in what I say enough that I'll take credit, Mr.Anonymous Coward.
Why should it matter who is fighting the battle? It is an important battle and anybody fortunate enough to be called to the field should be honored for the opportunity they are presented with.
Nicely put. Cue the dramatic music.
What you say would be true if the court system in our country had more common sense. Right and legal are two different things. 2600 has never been found guilty of a crime. Yes. 2600 is right about DeCSS and even the fuckgm.com thing. But when they have the appearance of being lawless and then depend on the law to clear them, they are on thin ice.
The problem is that if the law is going to protect anybody it _MUST_ protect 2600.
I hope they win. There's a little matter of freedom of information at risk.
PS - it sucks that your post got moderated down.
Re:Why to fuck GM (Re:Responsible Rebellion)
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Fuck General Motors, because General Motors fucks its workers. It's that simple. By closing US plants and sending them overseas to exploit foreign workers for below a living wage and meanwhile lay waste to US cities.
You hate the company but want a job from them? I don't like it when companies find it easier to relocate than put up with government regulation and high taxes. Mexico has been quite pleased to lure American companies south and enjoy the benefits to thier economy. You can bet the companies that move out of the US put up with a lot less shit.
I'm sorry you just want to play DVDs under Linux, but it's a damn good thing 2600 got sued and not you. Anyone facing what we're up against with such selfish motivations, would have surely settled by now.
It's too bad that you see it that way. It's not shallow "selfish motivations" that move me. I have a DVD player and could give a rat's ass --except-- I see it as a piece of a bigger picture. You say DeCSS is out there so move along. But as we switch from traditional means of content storage (paper) to digital (like DVD) the open nature of our society is at risk when people start to micro-manage your ability to use information. The cliche of a digital divide could become real if we allow fair use to get choked to death by near-sighted copyright holders.
Imagine the difficulty of future historians attempting to learn about life in our time, only to find we stored it all on encypted disks that only play on cripled players (players that only work when you have permision to use from the copyright holder.) But oh, the copyright holder is dead, and didn't release the material into the public domain before death
Imagine computer monitors that only display information when you have permision from the copyright holder. Hard disks that only RWX when you have -you guessed it- permission from the copyright holder. Same for your TV set, your video recorders, and even your printers.
It's about more that watching "Gladiator" in Xfree86. It's about your rights as a consumer. It about freedom of information.
Perhaps you think SUVs are the bigger threat. To each his own. I find the bigger threat from those who would control information.
Try to have a little perspective. Emmanuel Goldstein is putting his entire livelyhood on the line with each of these lawsuits. And he "needs to put bread on the table" too.
I honestly hope he wins. I have no ill will towards 2600. I find it juvenile but mostly harmless. I mean it when I say that they could be an important (perhaps even mainstream) voice if they would learn how to control thier impulses. If Goldstein gets his ass sued into oblivion the other side gets to write his obituary. Is that what he wants?
Yes, he has the right. He has the right to tell fart jokes. He has the right to register silly domain names. He has the right to publish anything he wants. He has the right to undermine his own credibility. He has the right to alienate the people he hopes to reach and influence - the American consumer. He has the right to set back multimedia for Linux. He has the right to lose the right to link to websites. He has the right to jeopardize reverse engineering. We can talk all day about his rights.
But it doesn't mean he's doing the right thing. Yeah, the MPAA took the fight to him. He has a responsibility the represent the issue now. Failing to do so means damages for himself, for Linux, and for the freedom to publish on the web.
I used to giggle when I said the word fuck. I was eight. I grew up.
He's engaged in a fight that's important on so many levels we don't even see them all yet. fuckgeneralmotors might sell a magazine or two, but if it loses a court case, it costs me.
2600 has been an outspoken anti-capitalist voice, and I wonder if we might not be screwed in the DeCSS fight because of their outlaw image. I'm a Linux user first and foremost, and I see these guys irresponsible behavior hurting something I believe in. I should be able to watch a DVD anywhere I please if I paid for the DVD. 2600's fight with the MPAA is important and impacts us as a community. I wish someone other than 2600 were fighting that battle instead.
2600 could be a very important voice if they would learn to pick their fights. You can't be anti-everything. I wish they would think about what they are FOR, and how they jeopardize those things when they act like children.
So just why are we supposed to be angry with GM? Is someone pissed because my Camaro is faster than their Honda CRX? Or is it the same reason we're supposed to be mad at Verison? They're a big company. And all big companies are evil. All of them. Bull.
If someone is abusing their customers or workforce (ala Nike) shine a light on them. But if someone is just trying to make a buck, hey, so am I. We all have to put bread on the table.
....When comparing the commercial software model to the open-source software model, look carefully at the business plans and licensing structures that form their foundations.
Well, let's see. If EVERY company producing Linux based products went belly-up tomorrow there would still be Linux. If Microsoft went belly-up, Windows would die.
Actually, it was fun typing that last part... Windows would die. I'm gonna do it again. Windows would die! Yeah, baby! No Microsoft, no Windows!
Kiss Open Source Goodbye if it Happens.
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Any union with real teeth is going to have strict rules about work on the side. Open source work will be regarded as scab labor and threat to the commercial interests the labor unions work for.
Imagine if unions really took root in IT. Maybe you'd like to run a small business on the side. You might do a little web development to help make the bills at home. Not if you are in a union. You'll be blacklisted for that kind of behavior
Are you a political type? So are unions! As long as you're a democrat you probably won't think twice about how much unions spend of your dues (oh yeah, you'll owe dues!) But if you're republican, you'd better shut the f*ck up.
Then there's always the lovely posibility you might get to enjoy a long, drawn out strike! Ask anyone who's ever been through one (me) and they'll tell you it sucks going without a few months of income.
I want to remain a free agent. My skills belong to me.
Should we stop making a Direct X compatability layer because it will hurt Loki, Tribesoft, et all.. because we like those guys? Also, if we cut the legs out from under port houses we prove to comercial vendors it's unwise to sell to the Linux market.
Get real.
The true question being asked it this: "Should we abandon the pursuit of a new technology that would benefit all Linux (and ulimately *nix) users for the benefit of a few software houses?"
I can't believe I'm even seeing this issue debated by Linux users. I left Windows behind so I wouldn't be at the mercy of MS. Some of you are suggesting I should place those binders back on. After all, we like Loki.
Yeah, I like Loki too. And I buy Linux games. But I will always support the option that empowers ME, the end user. It's why I use DeCSS to enjoy my DVDs in Linux. If I see a useful app that is native to another OS but there's an emulator - hell yeah, I'll use it, as long as it's not dog ass slow. I have loads of cool old games I want to play under Linux. I doubt if anyone is working to port X-wing vs. Tie Fighter to Linux. If Wine eventually can play my favorites, F*#$in' A!
"But, it's bad for Linux because nobody will make Linux native stuff anymore... we'll all become lazy couch potatos and stop developing!" (The people suggesting this already are lazy couch potatoes. I can't save them.)
Let me suggest an alternative:
Wine and emulation efforts like it mature and over time providing improved speed and compatability with 'doze. This is already happening.
Windows users over time become aware that there is an OS alternative that doesn't hit them with AOL ads, MS Network ads, poor security, wacky XP registration schemes, VBS script vulnerabilities, BSOD, virus headaches, and licensing, licensing, licensing! Oh, and this other OS plays my games! "It's called Linux. Hmmm... I'll try it." This is already happening.
As users migrate from Windows to Linux and become aware of the free alterantive to applications like Office, Outlook, Quicken.... on and on.... users decide to switch over to these free options so long as they are robust and meet the same needs as the original Windows app. This too is happening.
As more Windows users change loyalties, demand RAISES for Linux native workalikes to Windows-ware. The sound of this happening is deafening.
I don't bid any ill will to those who are threatened by the growth of Windows compatabilty. But this is a business challenge for them. It shouldn't be a burden that we place on ourselves.
WTF is it with Slashdot's hostility towards the very web community it caters to? Over the weekend we were being encouraged to laugh at the unemployed in this econonomic downturn (Oh, look at the stupid yupee getting his car Repo'ed!. Laugh. It's funny!). Now we have a satire that pretends to be the template for all start-ups in e-commerce. Maybe your hoping it's just Windows users getting fired out there, but it's your Linux buddies too.
If Andover decided to trim some fat and the staff of Slashdot was laid off should we laugh at that too? Or maybe it's just funny when it's the other guy. Assholes.
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When you buy a work of those arts, you know you have something that is one-of-a-kind.
OK, so it's art if I can PAY for it? So would that be something like "it's not a real operating system unless you pay for it." As for one of a kind, Andy Worhal made silkscreens of his art.
A rung below these "fine arts" you have...
You ass.
Who are you to judge what value, what rung of the ladder a medium should be? What creative abilities do you have. Let us be your judge! Asshole!
Those who can, create. Those who can't become art critics.
Fuck 'em. You're part of an important new art form that will be seen one day as legitimate as painting, sculpting, photography, or any other accepted form of art.
Picasso wasn't understood during his early career. Van Gogh was ingored until well after his death. Michealangelo's rendering of the human form, known as contrapasto, was considered "twisted and agonized." Leonardo De Vinci, who taught us how to paint with light, was considered a nut. Mozzart's music was too complicated for the ear. Blah blah blah...
Does history remember the names of art critics? NO. So why give a shit so long as what you do means something to you? Are you saying something when you create? That's where you should draw your convictions from. Not some asshole with a snobby opinion.
Don't seek self-validation from other people. You'll be waiting a long time.
If Linux is Pac-Man Micro$oft must be....
1) Atari Pac-Man - everyone has a copy, so it has a 90% showing on Gartner's latest report. Everyone must be playing it then, right?
2) Berzerk - "Quarter detected in pocket."
3) Night Driver - Race against clock. Uh-oh - Mindscape is keeping time!
4) Space War - A sucking black hole at the center of the screen pulls everything in, and ultimately nothing escapes.
OK, maybe it's none of the above. What would it be?
Or how about Disney's first "tenticle fetish" theme ride?
My biggest concern is if I allow my apps/data/content to be stored on a remote server what happens when the EUA changes? Can anyone on Slashdot even guess at how many stories have appeared where we've seen personal user information sold or traded after the EUA quietly changes? fsck that. I will not be a user of Microsoft's .NET.
Apps and data should be local. Thin clients are a creature for local LANs, not the internet.
This article also links to a "Flyweights" competition between Mac OS9 and Corel Linux! Whatever you may feel about Distros, most Linux users feel this is the most flawed mainstream Distro. C|Net Justifies the comparison between these two by saying they both have a 4% market share, so we should compare them. Winner:OS9. Why? Because MS doesn't support Linux.
So in this article C|Net pits OSX against an OS that arguably has a 66% potential market share. WTF? And the contest goes to OSX at the end. Why? Not for any reason consistent with the Linux vs. OS9. That article tells me MS has to support an OS to be worth my while. Here's a contest with an MS OS and they give it to the other guy because - Why? - It has a "unix core"!!!!
In my view the biggest loser in this contest is C|Net.
I would suspect AT&T will not be looking for cash from Microsoft (OK maybe a little cash) but the REAL thing they have to gain is influence. AT&T having a voice in the future evolution of Windows. Imagine how AT&T must salivate when they think they might have a voice in MS architecture, networking, etc...
Also, AT&T Worldnet might enjoy embracing, extending, and engulfing MSN. The idea of becoming a real competitor to AOL gives AT&T a woody.
So let me get this straight. I can find all the information I need to build a nuclear reactor, written at a level a 15 year old boy scout can understand, and that's "OK". But DeCSS is BAD. We can't have that kind of dangerous code out there! We might copy movies.
So once again: Irradiating 40,000 people is OK. Fair Use copies of DVDs are bad.
And we wonder why the world thinks America is fucking nuts.
I'll sue this website on the basis they have created a geek-theme website without my permission. As a geek I should be consulted and compensated.
I will also sue major hollywood studios for the portrayal of geeks in film, because it infringes on my intellectual property rights to geek language and culture.
The Cancer Eating OS?
So does this mean if you cut off Linus' head he can grow back a new one?
At $5.45 I'm not ever going to get rich from owning Redhat stock. I'm not a programmer and don't have a lot of spare time to donate to beta testing or contributing to open development. So I own a few shares and I buy a Distro once in a while. (Not always Redhat, sometimes Mandrake.) I just think of it as chipping in for the cause.
Salon would know a think or two about porn from thier own pay site.
I pulled your profile and read your post for the past few weeks. You should do so. You haven't posted a single useful opinion. Just troll crap.
The drivers are for Windows only. Count me out. Great technology, but I'm done with the dual-booting.
Too bad you did the AC thing. You'll probably never know I responded. If I sounded sanctimonious I didn't mean to be. Just as I'm sure you don't mean to sounds like a crass, cynical loudmouth.
Put up your own DeCCS site and challenge the MPAA yourself.
You're assuming I haven't. You haven't seen my website.
Perhaps your ego is a little bit overblown ?
I believe in what I say enough that I'll take credit, Mr.Anonymous Coward.
Why should it matter who is fighting the battle? It is an important battle and anybody fortunate enough to be called to the field should be honored for the opportunity they are presented with.
Nicely put. Cue the dramatic music.
What you say would be true if the court system in our country had more common sense. Right and legal are two different things. 2600 has never been found guilty of a crime. Yes. 2600 is right about DeCSS and even the fuckgm.com thing. But when they have the appearance of being lawless and then depend on the law to clear them, they are on thin ice.
The problem is that if the law is going to protect anybody it _MUST_ protect 2600.
I hope they win. There's a little matter of freedom of information at risk.
PS - it sucks that your post got moderated down.
Fuck General Motors, because General Motors fucks its workers. It's that simple. By closing US plants and sending them overseas to exploit foreign workers for below a living wage and meanwhile lay waste to US cities.
You hate the company but want a job from them? I don't like it when companies find it easier to relocate than put up with government regulation and high taxes. Mexico has been quite pleased to lure American companies south and enjoy the benefits to thier economy. You can bet the companies that move out of the US put up with a lot less shit.I'm sorry you just want to play DVDs under Linux, but it's a damn good thing 2600 got sued and not you. Anyone facing what we're up against with such selfish motivations, would have surely settled by now.
It's too bad that you see it that way. It's not shallow "selfish motivations" that move me. I have a DVD player and could give a rat's ass --except-- I see it as a piece of a bigger picture. You say DeCSS is out there so move along. But as we switch from traditional means of content storage (paper) to digital (like DVD) the open nature of our society is at risk when people start to micro-manage your ability to use information. The cliche of a digital divide could become real if we allow fair use to get choked to death by near-sighted copyright holders.
Imagine the difficulty of future historians attempting to learn about life in our time, only to find we stored it all on encypted disks that only play on cripled players (players that only work when you have permision to use from the copyright holder.) But oh, the copyright holder is dead, and didn't release the material into the public domain before death
Imagine computer monitors that only display information when you have permision from the copyright holder. Hard disks that only RWX when you have -you guessed it- permission from the copyright holder. Same for your TV set, your video recorders, and even your printers.
It's about more that watching "Gladiator" in Xfree86. It's about your rights as a consumer. It about freedom of information.
Perhaps you think SUVs are the bigger threat. To each his own. I find the bigger threat from those who would control information.
Try to have a little perspective. Emmanuel Goldstein is putting his entire livelyhood on the line with each of these lawsuits. And he "needs to put bread on the table" too.
I honestly hope he wins. I have no ill will towards 2600. I find it juvenile but mostly harmless. I mean it when I say that they could be an important (perhaps even mainstream) voice if they would learn how to control thier impulses. If Goldstein gets his ass sued into oblivion the other side gets to write his obituary. Is that what he wants?
Yes, he has the right. He has the right to tell fart jokes. He has the right to register silly domain names. He has the right to publish anything he wants. He has the right to undermine his own credibility. He has the right to alienate the people he hopes to reach and influence - the American consumer. He has the right to set back multimedia for Linux. He has the right to lose the right to link to websites. He has the right to jeopardize reverse engineering. We can talk all day about his rights.
But it doesn't mean he's doing the right thing. Yeah, the MPAA took the fight to him. He has a responsibility the represent the issue now. Failing to do so means damages for himself, for Linux, and for the freedom to publish on the web.
I used to giggle when I said the word fuck. I was eight. I grew up.
He's engaged in a fight that's important on so many levels we don't even see them all yet. fuckgeneralmotors might sell a magazine or two, but if it loses a court case, it costs me.
2600 has been an outspoken anti-capitalist voice, and I wonder if we might not be screwed in the DeCSS fight because of their outlaw image. I'm a Linux user first and foremost, and I see these guys irresponsible behavior hurting something I believe in. I should be able to watch a DVD anywhere I please if I paid for the DVD. 2600's fight with the MPAA is important and impacts us as a community. I wish someone other than 2600 were fighting that battle instead.
2600 could be a very important voice if they would learn to pick their fights. You can't be anti-everything. I wish they would think about what they are FOR, and how they jeopardize those things when they act like children.
So just why are we supposed to be angry with GM? Is someone pissed because my Camaro is faster than their Honda CRX? Or is it the same reason we're supposed to be mad at Verison? They're a big company. And all big companies are evil. All of them. Bull.
If someone is abusing their customers or workforce (ala Nike) shine a light on them. But if someone is just trying to make a buck, hey, so am I. We all have to put bread on the table.
Well, let's see. If EVERY company producing Linux based products went belly-up tomorrow there would still be Linux. If Microsoft went belly-up, Windows would die.
Actually, it was fun typing that last part... Windows would die. I'm gonna do it again. Windows would die! Yeah, baby! No Microsoft, no Windows!
I'm not a Linux big wig, but I'd sure as hell love to sign that document!
Can you imagine Microsoft's reaction if a couple million people added their names to this document?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Any union with real teeth is going to have strict rules about work on the side. Open source work will be regarded as scab labor and threat to the commercial interests the labor unions work for.
Imagine if unions really took root in IT. Maybe you'd like to run a small business on the side. You might do a little web development to help make the bills at home. Not if you are in a union. You'll be blacklisted for that kind of behavior
Are you a political type? So are unions! As long as you're a democrat you probably won't think twice about how much unions spend of your dues (oh yeah, you'll owe dues!) But if you're republican, you'd better shut the f*ck up.
Then there's always the lovely posibility you might get to enjoy a long, drawn out strike! Ask anyone who's ever been through one (me) and they'll tell you it sucks going without a few months of income.
I want to remain a free agent. My skills belong to me.
Should we stop making a Direct X compatability layer because it will hurt Loki, Tribesoft, et all.. because we like those guys? Also, if we cut the legs out from under port houses we prove to comercial vendors it's unwise to sell to the Linux market.
Get real.
The true question being asked it this: "Should we abandon the pursuit of a new technology that would benefit all Linux (and ulimately *nix) users for the benefit of a few software houses?"
I can't believe I'm even seeing this issue debated by Linux users. I left Windows behind so I wouldn't be at the mercy of MS. Some of you are suggesting I should place those binders back on. After all, we like Loki.
Yeah, I like Loki too. And I buy Linux games. But I will always support the option that empowers ME, the end user. It's why I use DeCSS to enjoy my DVDs in Linux. If I see a useful app that is native to another OS but there's an emulator - hell yeah, I'll use it, as long as it's not dog ass slow. I have loads of cool old games I want to play under Linux. I doubt if anyone is working to port X-wing vs. Tie Fighter to Linux. If Wine eventually can play my favorites, F*#$in' A!
"But, it's bad for Linux because nobody will make Linux native stuff anymore... we'll all become lazy couch potatos and stop developing!" (The people suggesting this already are lazy couch potatoes. I can't save them.)
Let me suggest an alternative:
I don't bid any ill will to those who are threatened by the growth of Windows compatabilty. But this is a business challenge for them. It shouldn't be a burden that we place on ourselves.
WTF is it with Slashdot's hostility towards the very web community it caters to? Over the weekend we were being encouraged to laugh at the unemployed in this econonomic downturn (Oh, look at the stupid yupee getting his car Repo'ed!. Laugh. It's funny!). Now we have a satire that pretends to be the template for all start-ups in e-commerce. Maybe your hoping it's just Windows users getting fired out there, but it's your Linux buddies too.
If Andover decided to trim some fat and the staff of Slashdot was laid off should we laugh at that too? Or maybe it's just funny when it's the other guy. Assholes.