Check this paragraph out from a press release out from NAI, parent of myCIO.com:
"Currently, most DDoS Zombie code is written for the Linux operating system. However, agents will likely be written for other operating systems in the near future. With the widespread availability of other malicious code such as Back Orifice, McAfee recommends users scan regularly for abnormal behavior on any platform. If a DDoS or other agent is discovered, McAfee VirusScan is able to automatically remove the file in most cases; in others, the product assists with cleaning by naming the files to be deleted by command line. Regular scans can help ensure systems run at peak performance and stay malicious-code free."
Wonder where myCIO got the idea?   And I used to respect NAI too...
... and keeps on tickin'.   That's SuSE for ya!   I am running 4 different Linux distros (Red Hat 5.2, Caldera 1.3, Mandrake 6.5, SuSE 6.1) on 4 different machines on my home lan, plus a 5th machine has NetBSD 1.4.1, and all I have is kudos kudos kudos for my SuSE on my laptop.   I have recompiled the kernel a hundred times, installed a million apps, re-installed Netscape, oh..   about a billion times, reinstalled KDE twice... just really did everything I could to it, 'cause this is the distro I learned on, and the damn thing keeps on going!   Unbelieveable!
Thank you Europe for this...:-)
P.S. - The one thing I do miss is something like Red Hat's sndconfig utility...
There are no decent high tech industries here at all
Actually, although it might not be considered "high tech", we have (along with Jersey) one of the highest concentrations of the pharmaceutical drug industry right here...
and without high speed access PA will never attract startups.
I have broadband access - thanks to Comcast cable!   If you wait just a little longer, they may buy up your local cable provider, become a monopoly in the state, and get cable modem access out to you!   Seems Comcast and Time-Warner/AOL are in the serious "buy everything in sight business"...   I have no complaints.   My cable modem ROCKS!
state.pa.us? Sorry, remote host is not responding...
Yeah...   and speaking about that...   For all you non-Pennsylvanians...   note that our illustrious state is allegedly the first state to put the state's offical web address on our damn license plates...   Can you believe this?   As if somehow that will attract high tech industry... Someone needs to get a damn grip....
Mostly I was talking about areas between Pittsburgh and Erie. New Castle for one used to be an industrial wonder. The main road from Pittsburgh to Erie ran through there. Then the steel mills closed and I-79 began diverting traffic away from the area and the city has suffered. Million dollar homes now located in the projects used for mental hospitals. It's a damn shame. True again, farming is the main industry in PA. The biggest programs in our high school were AG and Shop. However, it's not the only one. Though I'm not a native of the area I live just north of New Castle and see real potential there just waiting for a green light. Steel is dead here, never to return but you don't need to dig something out of the earth for knowledge. The technological resource is smart people. If enough people were interested, enough people educated, New Castle could really build a tech industry there. The people exist and the roadways exist, they just need money and direction.
What this state needs, other than the a half-assed effort such as a "no-tax for computers day" so the Governor can posture at the Repulican National Convention this summer, is a decent P.R. group who can go to Silicon Valley and say "Look... we've got good inexpensive housing, lots of beautiful scenic land for building, a relatively low state income tax, and a pool of talent just waiting to work for you!   Leave overblown California and Nevada and Arizona (and Redmond too... snicker) and come to Pennsylvania!".   I rather like have something like that than that corny old "You've got a friend in Pennsylvania" mentality... -)
NT on every government PC? Not for me thanks.
Not to worry... the gov't is too damn cheap to spend $$ on something as stable® as NT on every PC.   Winblows 95 is good enough...!
If I ever offend with my remarks please know that I never intend to.
Accckkkk!   You used the word NT (is that a word?) in a sentence!   But then I did too, so I guess I offended myself.... (gurgle)
I guess we're about to get moderated to (-1,Offtopic) but...
Normally I do not like to make sweeping generalizations. However, when I hear people utter loaded phrases (e.g., "governor ridge once again tries to give a tax break to the rich while keeping up pretences...") like that, I will give them a little taste of their own medicine. In other words, when someone resorts to that kind of language they are classifying themselves. If he merely disagreed with the Ridge's actions I would not attack him.
People often utter what I consider "sound bites" like that one, and others like "read my lips, no new taxes" and crap like that.   Someone came up with it (usually a politico) and it "sounded good".   Doesn't necessarily mean they're left wingers when they utter it back.
So sue me
Careful what you wish for, I'm from the city known for the "Philadelphia Lawyer"... -)
Certainly you wouldn't try and argue the results of public education in urban settings (though not exclusively urban) isn't a problem at all. Would you? You might debate the cause of the problem, but not the existence of the problem itself.
Your initial stated characterization was that of an American problem (as in U.S - no offense to our northern or southern neighbors), that was predominately urban-based.   The "dumbing down of America" is nationwide - everywhere... city, suburbs, small town, rural.   How can we expect children to even deal with high tech when they're being drugged up with Ritalin?   Something that has become more and more prevasive in the 'burbs...   How can a computer compete with the idiot box (TV for those younger than 30) or Nintendo?   You can attend an Episcopal Academy or Andover or whatever, and your parent's $$$ can guarantee that you pass on to the next grade (even though you may have cut maybe 50% of you classes - the more they "donate" to the school, the better your chances are of not being expelled - this is REALITY)...   and this is whether you have the smarts or not....   sadly no different than when an idiot teacher in a public school promotes a barely functional illiterate.   Ever heard of Hampshire College in Belchertown, MA (not far from Amherst)?   Probably the costliest private college in the U.S. and containing the most bizarre group of students you could ever meet - many are mentally not all there.   Believe me.   I went to college in that "5-college" area.
Do I believe in Free Teachers? No. But I ask you this: Why is it that Catholic schools do a better job, under just about any measure, with significantly less money per head, in the same neighboorhoods, with essentially the same group of students?
But tell me this...   why is it that Catholic schools are also closing shop left and right? Disappearing?   Right.   Lack of $$$.
You can't compare apples and oranges.   Before 1911, the only ones "educated" in this country were done so in "private" or "religious-based" institutions.   As a previous poster stated, you had better not be disabled or poor.   Thus before 1911, you had a country with nearly a 90% illiteracy rate.   Enter public education.   It ain't perfect, but it helped make the U.S. what it is today.   And I can say this being a 5th generation college graduate educated in the best of the public schools.   I agree that the schools have gone down considerably over the past 30 years as the 60's wackos decided to try experimental teaching methods such as the "open classroom" crap and "new math" mess, but now that more parents are starting to get involved again in a child's education (note that in the past 10 years, something like 70% of 2-parent families have both parents working, so it's rough), I think there will be a steady shift upwards again.
I can't speak for the eastern portion of Pennsylvania, but ever since the steel industry fled western Pennsylvania the economy has been slow.
I've travelled to Pittsburgh a number of times and considering what it was like before, it has made a remarkable recovery... If anything, the area is very scenic, with the city overlooking the 3 rivers and surrounded by beautiful hills.   I have found that when you mention this fact to Pittsburghers, they merely pause and say "Yeah... I guess you're right"   We gotta get you guys out of your shell-shocked state of mind!   Witness the medical/clinical industry that has taken root there!   Unfortunately, the Allegheny hospital fiasco and its fiscally foolish takeover and subsequent loss of a number of large, eastern PA hospitals, was something that will have repercussions for the future of the west and will surely cause a setback in the hospital industry in the state in general.
When people think of PA one of the first things that come to mind is the Amish population
Maybe that's what you hear over yonder, but over here in the east, we hear people ask about Hershey Chocolates...Mmmmmmm....
PA has seen a large drop in population in the past few years partly because of educated people leaving due to the lack of high tech industry.
That's because despite the Media® hype, PA's number one industry is agriculture.   You step one block outside of Philadelphia and you hit farms.   Hell... I grew up learning about the different types of cows in elementary school (and I mean, they would show you a picture and you had to identify the breed, eg., Gurnsey, Jersey, Holston, blah - anyone know the different types of cows off hand?) and I live in the damn city!   And NOT in the Midwest!   Philadelphia!   Imagine a little kid trying to learn how to spell Philadelphia, Pennsylvania;-)
Why must you left wing types always polarize issues as the "rich" and the "poor".
Why must people like you always characterize others as a "type"?   I doubt that anyone in the/. audience (or any other audience for that matter) can be described in such a narrow, political terms...
When most of these inner city kids can't even read and write half decently
Hmmm... your sentence structure leaves alot to be desired.   What do they say on/.?   Pot. Black. Kettle?   Making bold assumptions with nothing to back them up... Do you live in the Innercity® or are you just one of those dumbed down Geraldo/Jenny Jones-watching Americans who blindly believe the equally dumbed down media...
What about getting decent teachers first? Merely throwing money at the issue is not going to solve it.
I guess Good® teachers come for free nowadays, eh?   Wow!   That's an idea!   GNUteachers!   Opensource the people!   Free (as in beer) teachers for hire!   Hear hear!
Incorporations: True, over half of the country's companies are incorporated here
Including almost every major bank...
The PA Sales Tax break on computer purchases will be very nice for people in central and western PA, but I suspect most people in the Philadelphia area that want a computer have already come to Delaware to buy it.
Nah... we do mail order for almost EVERYTHING! -)   Some of the biggest mail order places are just outside Philly (QVC, blah blah).   PA's got the 2nd oldest population in the U.S. behind Florida, and the little old ladies keep UPS in business big time.   The rest of us just go to Delaware to buy beer and Powerball lottery tickets. -)   Some used to go to Jersey for the beer (lower sales tax) but then the Jesey state troopers started pulling people over on the bridge for having cases and cases of brew hangin' out the back of their trunks, so Jersey's off limits now... hee hee.   Remember - PA still has a "State Store" system....
Anyway, Philly is better but that place is more of a hole than Baltimore.
Uh, excuse me...?   When was the last time you visited Philly?   I live there and travel to an itty bitty city like Baltimore all the time.   Baltimore's about 1/3rd the size and has a long way to go to before being anything like Philly.
And regarding the Governor's announcement (first I heard of it), note that the Republican Convention is scheduled to be held in Philly this year...   Good timing, eh?
Slashdot Mirror
Check this paragraph out from a press release out from NAI, parent of myCIO.com:
"Currently, most DDoS Zombie code is written for the Linux operating system. However, agents will likely be written for other operating systems in the near future. With the widespread availability of other malicious code such as Back Orifice, McAfee recommends users scan regularly for abnormal behavior on any platform. If a DDoS or other agent is discovered, McAfee VirusScan is able to automatically remove the file in most cases; in others, the product assists with cleaning by naming the files to be deleted by command line. Regular scans can help ensure systems run at peak performance and stay malicious-code free."
Wonder where myCIO got the idea?   And I used to respect NAI too...
... and keeps on tickin'.   That's SuSE for ya!   I am running 4 different Linux distros (Red Hat 5.2, Caldera 1.3, Mandrake 6.5, SuSE 6.1) on 4 different machines on my home lan, plus a 5th machine has NetBSD 1.4.1, and all I have is kudos kudos kudos for my SuSE on my laptop.   I have recompiled the kernel a hundred times, installed a million apps, re-installed Netscape, oh..   about a billion times, reinstalled KDE twice... just really did everything I could to it, 'cause this is the distro I learned on, and the damn thing keeps on going!   Unbelieveable!
:-)
Thank you Europe for this...
P.S. - The one thing I do miss is something like Red Hat's sndconfig utility...
*COUGH* First State *COUGH*
... So you OWE us!   Hee hee
Only 'cause we felt sorry for you and let you sign first
There are no decent high tech industries here at all
Actually, although it might not be considered "high tech", we have (along with Jersey) one of the highest concentrations of the pharmaceutical drug industry right here...
and without high speed access PA will never attract startups.
I have broadband access - thanks to Comcast cable!   If you wait just a little longer, they may buy up your local cable provider, become a monopoly in the state, and get cable modem access out to you!   Seems Comcast and Time-Warner/AOL are in the serious "buy everything in sight business"...   I have no complaints.   My cable modem ROCKS!
state.pa.us? Sorry, remote host is not responding...
Yeah...   and speaking about that...   For all you non-Pennsylvanians...   note that our illustrious state is allegedly the first state to put the state's offical web address on our damn license plates...   Can you believe this?   As if somehow that will attract high tech industry... Someone needs to get a damn grip....
No, your girlfriend's. You dumb turd!
(Score:-2,Troll)
Mostly I was talking about areas between Pittsburgh and Erie. New Castle for one used to be an industrial wonder. The main road from Pittsburgh to Erie ran through there. Then the steel mills closed and I-79 began diverting traffic away from the area and the city has suffered. Million dollar homes now located in the projects used for mental hospitals. It's a damn shame. True again, farming is the main industry in PA. The biggest programs in our high school were AG and Shop. However, it's not the only one. Though I'm not a native of the area I live just north of New Castle and see real potential there just waiting for a green light. Steel is dead here, never to return but you don't need to dig something out of the earth for knowledge. The technological resource is smart people. If enough people were interested, enough people educated, New Castle could really build a tech industry there. The people exist and the roadways exist, they just need money and direction.
;-)
;-)
What this state needs, other than the a half-assed effort such as a "no-tax for computers day" so the Governor can posture at the Repulican National Convention this summer, is a decent P.R. group who can go to Silicon Valley and say "Look... we've got good inexpensive housing, lots of beautiful scenic land for building, a relatively low state income tax, and a pool of talent just waiting to work for you!   Leave overblown California and Nevada and Arizona (and Redmond too... snicker) and come to Pennsylvania!".   I rather like have something like that than that corny old "You've got a friend in Pennsylvania" mentality...  
NT on every government PC? Not for me thanks.
Not to worry... the gov't is too damn cheap to spend $$ on something as stable® as NT on every PC.   Winblows 95 is good enough...!
If I ever offend with my remarks please know that I never intend to.
Accckkkk!   You used the word NT (is that a word?) in a sentence!   But then I did too, so I guess I offended myself.... (gurgle)
I guess we're about to get moderated to (-1,Offtopic) but...
;-)
Normally I do not like to make sweeping generalizations. However, when I hear people utter loaded phrases (e.g., "governor ridge once again tries to give a tax break to the rich while keeping up pretences...") like that, I will give them a little taste of their own medicine. In other words, when someone resorts to that kind of language they are classifying themselves. If he merely disagreed with the Ridge's actions I would not attack him.
People often utter what I consider "sound bites" like that one, and others like "read my lips, no new taxes" and crap like that.   Someone came up with it (usually a politico) and it "sounded good".   Doesn't necessarily mean they're left wingers when they utter it back.
So sue me
Careful what you wish for, I'm from the city known for the "Philadelphia Lawyer"...  
Certainly you wouldn't try and argue the results of public education in urban settings (though not exclusively urban) isn't a problem at all. Would you? You might debate the cause of the problem, but not the existence of the problem itself.
Your initial stated characterization was that of an American problem (as in U.S - no offense to our northern or southern neighbors), that was predominately urban-based.   The "dumbing down of America" is nationwide - everywhere... city, suburbs, small town, rural.   How can we expect children to even deal with high tech when they're being drugged up with Ritalin?   Something that has become more and more prevasive in the 'burbs...   How can a computer compete with the idiot box (TV for those younger than 30) or Nintendo?   You can attend an Episcopal Academy or Andover or whatever, and your parent's $$$ can guarantee that you pass on to the next grade (even though you may have cut maybe 50% of you classes - the more they "donate" to the school, the better your chances are of not being expelled - this is REALITY)...   and this is whether you have the smarts or not....   sadly no different than when an idiot teacher in a public school promotes a barely functional illiterate.   Ever heard of Hampshire College in Belchertown, MA (not far from Amherst)?   Probably the costliest private college in the U.S. and containing the most bizarre group of students you could ever meet - many are mentally not all there.   Believe me.   I went to college in that "5-college" area.
Do I believe in Free Teachers? No. But I ask you this: Why is it that Catholic schools do a better job, under just about any measure, with significantly less money per head, in the same neighboorhoods, with essentially the same group of students?
But tell me this...   why is it that Catholic schools are also closing shop left and right? Disappearing?   Right.   Lack of $$$.
You can't compare apples and oranges.   Before 1911, the only ones "educated" in this country were done so in "private" or "religious-based" institutions.   As a previous poster stated, you had better not be disabled or poor.   Thus before 1911, you had a country with nearly a 90% illiteracy rate.   Enter public education.   It ain't perfect, but it helped make the U.S. what it is today.   And I can say this being a 5th generation college graduate educated in the best of the public schools.   I agree that the schools have gone down considerably over the past 30 years as the 60's wackos decided to try experimental teaching methods such as the "open classroom" crap and "new math" mess, but now that more parents are starting to get involved again in a child's education (note that in the past 10 years, something like 70% of 2-parent families have both parents working, so it's rough), I think there will be a steady shift upwards again.
I can't speak for the eastern portion of Pennsylvania, but ever since the steel industry fled western Pennsylvania the economy has been slow.
;-)
I've travelled to Pittsburgh a number of times and considering what it was like before, it has made a remarkable recovery... If anything, the area is very scenic, with the city overlooking the 3 rivers and surrounded by beautiful hills.   I have found that when you mention this fact to Pittsburghers, they merely pause and say "Yeah... I guess you're right"   We gotta get you guys out of your shell-shocked state of mind!   Witness the medical/clinical industry that has taken root there!   Unfortunately, the Allegheny hospital fiasco and its fiscally foolish takeover and subsequent loss of a number of large, eastern PA hospitals, was something that will have repercussions for the future of the west and will surely cause a setback in the hospital industry in the state in general.
When people think of PA one of the first things that come to mind is the Amish population
Maybe that's what you hear over yonder, but over here in the east, we hear people ask about Hershey Chocolates...Mmmmmmm....
PA has seen a large drop in population in the past few years partly because of educated people leaving due to the lack of high tech industry.
That's because despite the Media® hype, PA's number one industry is agriculture.   You step one block outside of Philadelphia and you hit farms.   Hell... I grew up learning about the different types of cows in elementary school (and I mean, they would show you a picture and you had to identify the breed, eg., Gurnsey, Jersey, Holston, blah - anyone know the different types of cows off hand?) and I live in the damn city!   And NOT in the Midwest!   Philadelphia!   Imagine a little kid trying to learn how to spell Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Why must you left wing types always polarize issues as the "rich" and the "poor".
/. audience (or any other audience for that matter) can be described in such a narrow, political terms...
/.?   Pot. Black. Kettle?   Making bold assumptions with nothing to back them up... Do you live in the Innercity® or are you just one of those dumbed down Geraldo/Jenny Jones-watching Americans who blindly believe the equally dumbed down media...
Why must people like you always characterize others as a "type"?   I doubt that anyone in the
When most of these inner city kids can't even read and write half decently
Hmmm... your sentence structure leaves alot to be desired.   What do they say on
What about getting decent teachers first? Merely throwing money at the issue is not going to solve it.
I guess Good® teachers come for free nowadays, eh?   Wow!   That's an idea!   GNUteachers!   Opensource the people!   Free (as in beer) teachers for hire!   Hear hear!
and gnupc.com is based in PA too!
;-)
And so is LinuxForce... just bought by Corel.   Must be the proximity to ESR...
Maybe I should have been more specific. When I said "hole" what I meant was "filthy stinking wretched scum hole."
Yours, I suppose...
Good riddance to you... We've witnessed the birth of a new Baltimoron...
Incorporations: True, over half of the country's companies are incorporated here
;-)   Some of the biggest mail order places are just outside Philly (QVC, blah blah).   PA's got the 2nd oldest population in the U.S. behind Florida, and the little old ladies keep UPS in business big time.   The rest of us just go to Delaware to buy beer and Powerball lottery tickets.   ;-)   Some used to go to Jersey for the beer (lower sales tax) but then the Jesey state troopers started pulling people over on the bridge for having cases and cases of brew hangin' out the back of their trunks, so Jersey's off limits now... hee hee.   Remember - PA still has a "State Store" system....
Including almost every major bank...
The PA Sales Tax break on computer purchases will be very nice for people in central and western PA, but I suspect most people in the Philadelphia area that want a computer have already come to Delaware to buy it.
Nah... we do mail order for almost EVERYTHING!  
Anyway, Philly is better but that place is more of a hole than Baltimore.
Uh, excuse me...?   When was the last time you visited Philly?   I live there and travel to an itty bitty city like Baltimore all the time.   Baltimore's about 1/3rd the size and has a long way to go to before being anything like Philly.
And regarding the Governor's announcement (first I heard of it), note that the Republican Convention is scheduled to be held in Philly this year...   Good timing, eh?