1) I was pointing out an alternative media player since you seem to be totally unaware that there are more than two.
2) Flash isn't totally silent - if a website requires it you are prompted to install it if you don't have it but it usually comes pre-installed on an OEM PC in any case - just like a media player would be.
3) Whether the annoying Flash ads are Macromedia's fault or not is irrelevant - they are annoying, however I see where you're coming from.
4) We can have a sensible discussion. I'm disagreeing with your point that Windows without a media player actually means anything to the end consumer whose PC will still come with one. You're letting your contempt for RealNetworks (which I share) get in the way of understanding the reasoning behind the EU's action; namely as an attempt to prevent Microsoft dominating another section of the market. Whether it's a good idea or not is open to discussion, but there will be no effect on those who don't build their own PCs.
The majority of users experience Flash as a plugin and if it isn't installed (which it has been on the last two PCs I've bought) it pops a big message saying click here to install. So I'm not sure how that compares to RealPlayer (or any other media player such as the totally non-obnoxious Winamp) where the user would have to find it first. As for Flash not being obnoxious, do me a favour *rolls eyes*.
The problem is that them being "lawful" means, among other things, dumping the media player from Windows, which hurts the users of the OS (I prefer to have a standard media player in Windows, and I don't want to download it additionally. I prefer my apps to rely on the OS having video display capabilities built-in versus having to pack a full media player with each of my media apps for ex.).
How does it hurt the user of the OS since the PC builder will just put one on before they sell it? The idea is that if WMP is already on there it acts as a disincentive to install any other media player (since that's extra work). I'm not arguing for or against the remedy I just get tired of reading this fallacy on here.
You can not compare the destruction of the Native Americans to Rome conquering Greece. Greece was a well developed empire that fell to another and was absorbed. There was technology and racial similarities that promoted integration.
That argument falls down as soon as you realise that the Romans didn't massacre the technically and culturally inferior Celtic tribes either and the Roman religion at the time wasn't a love thy neighbour turn the other cheek religion either unlike the religion of the first US settlers.
I saw a cartoon once in a magazine over here in the UK. It was a bunch of Australians holding placards with various anti-immigration slogans on them with two aborigines looking at them and one saying to the other "why didn't we think of that?"
When you don't have to worry about the latest webcams working, and have an IT staff to manage everything Linux on the desktop is very feasible.
You do have to worry about your Win32-only custom and vendor apps working though which your IT staff may or may not be able to do depending on how well WINE runs them.
Sorry I didn't mean to be rude. I thought you were suggesting that I break the IT security policy. Programming isn't my primary job, so it would be hard to make a business case to install programming tools when VBA is already there. I don't know if Java can automate MS Office stuff in any case.
Structural engineers tend to have more sane timescales and unlike software folk never have to hear the dreaded words "that's too long we'll just buy a package".
So you're suggesting that I get myself sacked for installing unauthorised software? Thanks for the useless advice but I think I'll pass.
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And what software would they run on those "alternatives"? Not all the stuff they can run on Windows that's for sure. It's not consumer inertia that keeps Windows at no.1, it's because the no.2 et al cannot run a large proportion of the software and hardware that the users want to use. This isn't the fault of the "alternatives" but there isn't a lot that can be done. Unless you're trying to claim that users are so stupid as to never consider realistic alternatives.
That describes part of my job perfectly. If I had better tools installed on my desktop I'd use them but the only thing resembling a language on your average Windows XP box is VBA and VBScript.
First of all a large amount of the services that government oversees would never in a million years be provided by the private sector or only in a form that wouldn't be available to everyone. You're missing the point on economic growth. Yes it did start earlier but it had very little impact on the majority of people until the tiny minority who were benefitting immensely from it were made to share those gains more equally. Do you really think that company owners started giving their workers a living wage and sensible working hours because they thought it would benefit them? You might want to read up on industrial relations in the 20th century to see how few of them wanted to do that - Henry Ford being a notable exception.
Quite a few of those jobs would not get done (or the cost of the labour would be out of the reach of many) if government didn't provide them. Tell me something. If big government is so disastrous how come the 20th century saw huge and unparallelled economic growth in North America, Western Europe and Australia despite much bigger governments than before?
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The prudish fools in the UK (my country before you flame) would hate that :D
But luckily in Libertarianworld you can just start a business and live happily ever after.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commercial
So in what way does building something and then charging the people that use it not qualify as commercial?
You obviously don't understand the irony of posting a remark like that.
1) I was pointing out an alternative media player since you seem to be totally unaware that there are more than two.
2) Flash isn't totally silent - if a website requires it you are prompted to install it if you don't have it but it usually comes pre-installed on an OEM PC in any case - just like a media player would be.
3) Whether the annoying Flash ads are Macromedia's fault or not is irrelevant - they are annoying, however I see where you're coming from.
4) We can have a sensible discussion. I'm disagreeing with your point that Windows without a media player actually means anything to the end consumer whose PC will still come with one. You're letting your contempt for RealNetworks (which I share) get in the way of understanding the reasoning behind the EU's action; namely as an attempt to prevent Microsoft dominating another section of the market. Whether it's a good idea or not is open to discussion, but there will be no effect on those who don't build their own PCs.
The majority of users experience Flash as a plugin and if it isn't installed (which it has been on the last two PCs I've bought) it pops a big message saying click here to install. So I'm not sure how that compares to RealPlayer (or any other media player such as the totally non-obnoxious Winamp) where the user would have to find it first. As for Flash not being obnoxious, do me a favour *rolls eyes*.
Spoilsport :P
The problem is that them being "lawful" means, among other things, dumping the media player from Windows, which hurts the users of the OS (I prefer to have a standard media player in Windows, and I don't want to download it additionally. I prefer my apps to rely on the OS having video display capabilities built-in versus having to pack a full media player with each of my media apps for ex.).
How does it hurt the user of the OS since the PC builder will just put one on before they sell it? The idea is that if WMP is already on there it acts as a disincentive to install any other media player (since that's extra work). I'm not arguing for or against the remedy I just get tired of reading this fallacy on here.
Sounds like SOP for any IT system to me. Does Windows always work as designed or as expected?
You can not compare the destruction of the Native Americans to Rome conquering Greece. Greece was a well developed empire that fell to another and was absorbed. There was technology and racial similarities that promoted integration.
That argument falls down as soon as you realise that the Romans didn't massacre the technically and culturally inferior Celtic tribes either and the Roman religion at the time wasn't a love thy neighbour turn the other cheek religion either unlike the religion of the first US settlers.
Just proves that there are a lot of Asperger's sufferers with nothing better to do.
I saw a cartoon once in a magazine over here in the UK. It was a bunch of Australians holding placards with various anti-immigration slogans on them with two aborigines looking at them and one saying to the other "why didn't we think of that?"
So what's the downside?
You must be new here.
When you don't have to worry about the latest webcams working, and have an IT staff to manage everything Linux on the desktop is very feasible.
You do have to worry about your Win32-only custom and vendor apps working though which your IT staff may or may not be able to do depending on how well WINE runs them.
Sorry I didn't mean to be rude. I thought you were suggesting that I break the IT security policy. Programming isn't my primary job, so it would be hard to make a business case to install programming tools when VBA is already there. I don't know if Java can automate MS Office stuff in any case.
Structural engineers tend to have more sane timescales and unlike software folk never have to hear the dreaded words "that's too long we'll just buy a package".
So you're suggesting that I get myself sacked for installing unauthorised software? Thanks for the useless advice but I think I'll pass.
And what software would they run on those "alternatives"? Not all the stuff they can run on Windows that's for sure. It's not consumer inertia that keeps Windows at no.1, it's because the no.2 et al cannot run a large proportion of the software and hardware that the users want to use. This isn't the fault of the "alternatives" but there isn't a lot that can be done. Unless you're trying to claim that users are so stupid as to never consider realistic alternatives.
That describes part of my job perfectly. If I had better tools installed on my desktop I'd use them but the only thing resembling a language on your average Windows XP box is VBA and VBScript.
And which of those activities is compulsory?
First of all a large amount of the services that government oversees would never in a million years be provided by the private sector or only in a form that wouldn't be available to everyone.
You're missing the point on economic growth. Yes it did start earlier but it had very little impact on the majority of people until the tiny minority who were benefitting immensely from it were made to share those gains more equally.
Do you really think that company owners started giving their workers a living wage and sensible working hours because they thought it would benefit them? You might want to read up on industrial relations in the 20th century to see how few of them wanted to do that - Henry Ford being a notable exception.
Quite a few of those jobs would not get done (or the cost of the labour would be out of the reach of many) if government didn't provide them. Tell me something. If big government is so disastrous how come the 20th century saw huge and unparallelled economic growth in North America, Western Europe and Australia despite much bigger governments than before?
You have to say yeeeeehaaaaaaawwwwwww too otherwise it just aint fun.
Nope and nor does it excuse those in the West who were quite happy to carry on kissing his ass afterwards.