Microsoft's PassPort.com allready exists.
It was the world's 8'th most visited web-site, last year, the userbase they have collected (*@msn.com,*@passport.com and *@hotmail.com) is enormous!
One player you should not overlook is Roxen Platform (www.roxen.com) And the web-server (Roxen Webserver) is GPL! Also, dont forget to check out Roxen Community where you can get a better idea of what people are saying about it!
There you can also find an online demo aswell as eval download.
For more information about thinclient computing, please check out www.thinplanet.com
Another way to connect to the Terminal-server would be SCO's Tarantella with RDP.
I have tried both, and they are both great solutions for linux-connectivity to a terminal server.
But... If you want to try the hottest way of thin-client computing today, look at GraphOn's Bridges! This is a solution that really rocks! And you dont nead the TerminalServer, just a regular NT-server or even a Workstation!
From my personal point ov view, my own machine is down more than my ISP... As a employee of a ASP firm I might be colored, but at work I use X-terminal's and Linux and that is a good world, but at home I use a W-95 box and I wouldn't trust it to give me the time of day... All I run on it besides games is Netscape and my client programs. I have purified this after my last hdd crash...
How many small biz./home users have a backup and crash-recovery plan? I don't, I just hopes it doesn't crash. And upgrade the server hw and software to the latest Office 420000? I don't, I sit on a P200/32
I think the safest place to have your data and application's is a central ASP, one that you trust, it might bee a free portal like Sun or M$ for your personal use or it might be a commercial ASP for your mission critical applications.
One thing you *must* concider is that you *can't* demand full service from the free stuff...
* Security Well, I wouldn't trust my data to a free ASP either, but if I buy the service, I can demand service and security, like on my accountant firm.
*Usability Look at the methods used by ASP's today! Citrix MetaFrame, GraphOn's GlobalHost, SCO's Tarantella, neither of those use HTML for the application, they all use distributed graphic's (like LowBandwith-X, LBX or X11R6.4)
*Performance The above described protocols are all useable over modem-lines.
The solution's from Microsoft and Sun with web-based office kit's will sertainly be nice for the average home user, but I wouldn't trust my MissionCritical data on that...
Hi, I have been involved in several ASP designs, but these are my own opinions and not necessarily shared by my employer's
* Backup Your ASP can have a higher security for the backup's, longer storage-time, faster access time, and third-party storage-areas (vault's etc.) than you can, and you don't have to pay "Matt" to load that DAT tape... Sure, they will bill you for that, but keeping that kind of staff, if you don't have an IT-firm, is also expensive.
* Security Yes... the most ASP's don't use crypto to store your data, and they can get it anyway... But that can you accounting firm do to, this are all protected by the contract and the law...
* Bandwidth Most distributed graphic's protocol's (Microsoft RDP, Citrix ICA, GraphOn RapidX, SCO AIP) are suited for low bandwidth (28.8/56k)
* The Slashdot Effect To assure that you always get to your mission-critical applications there are several ways to go. One is to add servers and make clusters, another thing that you can do is to use bandwidth-control like Packeteer where you can reserve bandwidth to a specific user or a specific URL (Layer 2-7 in the OSI model).
* Liability An honest ASP doesn't hesitate to explain witch insurance's they have and what they cover... Exactly like you accountant firm.
* Better than local servers Sure, you don't have to add server capacity when Office grows to enormous proportions, you only pay a monthly fee that you easily can add to you budget, not like the added hw/crash recovery cost's you have otherwise. But, obviously, ASP isn't the answer to everything, intense graphics and a few other things aren't suited for distributed graphics.
I don't see the ASP solution as a wonder-medicine for all companies, but a lot of them could really benefit from focusing their effort towards their main-business and not having some people doing half-time as "sysadmin's".
How can you say this is a "outstanding contribution to the free software movement"??? Sure, spam isn't great, but in what way is it stopping free software??
This way of thinking just gives the free software movement a bad name!
Hmm... No, the page is still there (Just reloaded...) And No, it isn't the same page... With the http://www.mysql.com/crash-me-choose.htmy you can choose wich databases to compare, thus reducing the size of the result-page and enhancing the readibility drasticly.
Is any of the four named site's really interested in selling? Haven't Slashdot, fm etc. allready gotten their economic's safe recently? Does they really crave so much for additional money that they will sell their sites?
It's not AOL blocking them... The DNS at interland.net is messed up. if you query them for www.webmasterfx.com you get the answer: www.webmasterfx.com. 3h45m56s IN NS dns3.interland.net.webmasterfx.com. www.webmasterfx.com. 3h45m56s IN NS dns2.interland.net.webmasterfx.com. Somebody has forgotten a dot and a A-record Maybe it's time to verify ones DNS-records before going public..:)
Well, remember that the eye isn't anything like your home electronic's.. It doesn't work with a "sample rate" the way you r monitor does, take the 200x200 pixels, that is 400000 pixels that update 10 times per second, that makes 4 milion updates every second! When you think about that, 60FPS screen rates isn't really that much;) Althou this seems really much 4MPPS(Pixels Per Second) It really isn't... Take a screen at 800x600 updating at 30FPS, a good HalfLife game or whatever, this makes 14,4MPPS! To get it down to 4MPPS we shuld have to go down to 8.3FPS... I'm sure that most of us accually *can* se the difference betwen 8.3 and 30FPS;) This is where the wonderfull part of the brains "imagination" is used, the brain concentrates at different parts of the image all the time, as noted earlyer by another poster, and simply remebers the rest of it, or even "fakes" is by using it's logic and present's for you what's likley to occur... Picture yourself driving along a road, you looks around, and somewhere in your pheripherial vision you also see the stripes along the way, but most of the time your brain just tells you that there *is* stripes there, and periodically it check's the fact's so that you notice if there shuld be any changes... So let's face fact's... Most of our perception of the world accually are products of our own imagination:)
4 Pre set the IP and make a staic host route (and some ipfwadm scripting)
5 Hack the kernel
1) The crude and effective way out. Works, but isn't a attractive solution, since it depends on the installer being capable to handle more than a webbrowser...
2) I rather don't... I don't want to intrefer with the customers network to much, introdusing extra network services is definitely one of those things that I shuld avoid...
3) making a simple win (or whatever) program to create a config file on a floppy that are searched for at every new floppy is a easy way but is a obvious security hasard.
4) It's a nice solution, and probably the most appealing yet, but wich adress shuld I use as a default, not anyone of the private internet's, many of our customers use them now...
5) Culd anyone give me a estimated time for making a module for this? If You have the time and expertise to create this I culd check for the financial room to develop this and ofcause release it GPL!
Are there any other approach that I have overseen?
Slashdot Mirror
Microsoft's PassPort.com allready exists. It was the world's 8'th most visited web-site, last year, the userbase they have collected (*@msn.com,*@passport.com and *@hotmail.com) is enormous!
One player you should not overlook is Roxen Platform (www.roxen.com)
And the web-server (Roxen Webserver) is GPL!
Also, dont forget to check out Roxen Community where you can get a better idea of what people are saying about it!
Has a java RDP-client that works great!
There you can also find an online demo aswell as eval download.
For more information about thinclient computing, please check out www.thinplanet.com
Another way to connect to the Terminal-server would be SCO's Tarantella with RDP.
I have tried both, and they are both great solutions for linux-connectivity to a terminal server.
But...
If you want to try the hottest way of thin-client computing today, look at GraphOn's Bridges!
This is a solution that really rocks!
And you dont nead the TerminalServer, just a regular NT-server or even a Workstation!
If you want to try some of the solutions, surf to http://www.softwarerun.com!
From my personal point ov view, my own machine is down more than my ISP...
As a employee of a ASP firm I might be colored, but at work I use X-terminal's and Linux and that is a good world, but at home I use a W-95 box and I wouldn't trust it to give me the time of day...
All I run on it besides games is Netscape and my client programs.
I have purified this after my last hdd crash...
How many small biz./home users have a backup and crash-recovery plan?
I don't, I just hopes it doesn't crash.
And upgrade the server hw and software to the latest Office 420000?
I don't, I sit on a P200/32
I think the safest place to have your data and application's is a central ASP, one that you trust, it might bee a free portal like Sun or M$ for your personal use or it might be a commercial ASP for your mission critical applications.
One thing you *must* concider is that you *can't* demand full service from the free stuff...
* Security
Well, I wouldn't trust my data to a free ASP either, but if I buy the service, I can demand service and security, like on my accountant firm.
*Usability
Look at the methods used by ASP's today!
Citrix MetaFrame, GraphOn's GlobalHost, SCO's Tarantella, neither of those use HTML for the application, they all use distributed graphic's (like LowBandwith-X, LBX or X11R6.4)
*Performance
The above described protocols are all useable over modem-lines.
The solution's from Microsoft and Sun with web-based office kit's will sertainly be nice for the average home user, but I wouldn't trust my MissionCritical data on that...
A neat protocol suited for this task.
Or maybe GraphOn's Rapid-X
Hi, I have been involved in several ASP designs, but these are my own opinions and not necessarily shared by my employer's
* Backup
Your ASP can have a higher security for the backup's, longer storage-time, faster access time, and third-party storage-areas (vault's etc.) than you can, and you don't have to pay "Matt" to load that DAT tape...
Sure, they will bill you for that, but keeping that kind of staff, if you don't have an IT-firm, is also expensive.
* Security
Yes... the most ASP's don't use crypto to store your data, and they can get it anyway...
But that can you accounting firm do to, this are all protected by the contract and the law...
* Bandwidth
Most distributed graphic's protocol's (Microsoft RDP, Citrix ICA, GraphOn RapidX, SCO AIP) are suited for low bandwidth (28.8/56k)
* The Slashdot Effect
To assure that you always get to your mission-critical applications there are several ways to go.
One is to add servers and make clusters, another thing that you can do is to use bandwidth-control like Packeteer where you can reserve bandwidth to a specific user or a specific URL (Layer 2-7 in the OSI model).
* Liability
An honest ASP doesn't hesitate to explain witch insurance's they have and what they cover...
Exactly like you accountant firm.
* Better than local servers
Sure, you don't have to add server capacity when Office grows to enormous proportions, you only pay a monthly fee that you easily can add to you budget, not like the added hw/crash recovery cost's you have otherwise.
But, obviously, ASP isn't the answer to everything, intense graphics and a few other things aren't suited for distributed graphics.
I don't see the ASP solution as a wonder-medicine for all companies, but a lot of them could really benefit from focusing their effort towards their main-business and not having some people doing half-time as "sysadmin's".
Wow...
Check out the previous and next link's at the bottom of the article, Jim Seymour has really written alot about ASP's...
http://www.zdnet. com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2344646,00.html
How can you say this is a "outstanding contribution to the free software movement"???
Sure, spam isn't great, but in what way is it stopping free software??
This way of thinking just gives the free software movement a bad name!
Hmm...
No, the page is still there (Just reloaded...)
And No, it isn't the same page...
With the http://www.mysql.com/crash-me-choose.htmy you can choose wich databases to compare, thus reducing the size of the result-page and enhancing the readibility drasticly.
is found here...
http://www.mysql.com/crash-me-choose.htmy
Take a close look at the MySQL solution's, they really rock at large databases!
Hmm...
Does we really want Open Source happy meal?
Some thing's might be better left alone...
Is any of the four named site's really interested in selling?
Haven't Slashdot, fm etc. allready gotten their economic's safe recently?
Does they really crave so much for additional money that they will sell their sites?
It's not AOL blocking them... :)
The DNS at interland.net is messed up.
if you query them for www.webmasterfx.com you get the answer:
www.webmasterfx.com. 3h45m56s IN NS dns3.interland.net.webmasterfx.com.
www.webmasterfx.com. 3h45m56s IN NS dns2.interland.net.webmasterfx.com.
Somebody has forgotten a dot and a A-record
Maybe it's time to verify ones DNS-records before going public..
Well, remember that the eye isn't anything like your home electronic's.. ;) ;) :)
It doesn't work with a "sample rate" the way you r monitor does, take the 200x200 pixels, that is 400000 pixels that update 10 times per second, that makes 4 milion updates every second!
When you think about that, 60FPS screen rates isn't really that much
Althou this seems really much 4MPPS(Pixels Per Second) It really isn't...
Take a screen at 800x600 updating at 30FPS, a good HalfLife game or whatever, this makes 14,4MPPS!
To get it down to 4MPPS we shuld have to go down to 8.3FPS...
I'm sure that most of us accually *can* se the difference betwen 8.3 and 30FPS
This is where the wonderfull part of the brains "imagination" is used, the brain concentrates at different parts of the image all the time, as noted earlyer by another poster, and simply remebers the rest of it, or even "fakes" is by using it's logic and present's for you what's likley to occur...
Picture yourself driving along a road, you looks around, and somewhere in your pheripherial vision you also see the stripes along the way, but most of the time your brain just tells you that there *is* stripes there, and periodically it check's the fact's so that you notice if there shuld be any changes...
So let's face fact's...
Most of our perception of the world accually are products of our own imagination
1 Set the IP manually, using keyboard and monitor
2 Use BOOTP or DHCP
3 Configure the server via floppy
4 Pre set the IP and make a staic host route (and some ipfwadm scripting)
5 Hack the kernel
1) The crude and effective way out.
Works, but isn't a attractive solution, since it depends on the installer being capable to handle more than a webbrowser...
2) I rather don't...
I don't want to intrefer with the customers network to much, introdusing extra network services is definitely one of those things that I shuld avoid...
3) making a simple win (or whatever) program to create a config file on a floppy that are searched for at every new floppy is a easy way but is a obvious security hasard.
4) It's a nice solution, and probably the most appealing yet, but wich adress shuld I use as a default, not anyone of the private internet's, many of our customers use them now...
5) Culd anyone give me a estimated time for making a module for this?
If You have the time and expertise to create this I culd check for the financial room to develop this and ofcause release it GPL!
Are there any other approach that I have overseen?
Kind Regards
//Markus Reimer