Why should I? if you're smoking around other people, you're the one who should be acting to avoid injuring or annoying others. I'm not a "militant" by any sense of the word but I do not feel that it is on me to accomodate someone else's unthinking or uncaring actions.
No matter what it's called, the point/problem is that they don't clearly cite the citations. They make you work for it. Making it more difficult to find makes me wonder what they're hiding. Most research articles will say "According to research to be published in issue X of journal Y..." and this one does not.
Some states actually do the former. If you can't pass driver's licensing tests, they do the latter as well. (The fact that the testing is completely insufficient to weed out the idiots is another argument, though).
You missed the point. The poster, and I, don't want to be exposed to dangerous and smelly smoke clouds. It is not OK to expose others to something that is potentially harmful for ANY reason; you are free to smoke when you aren't bothering anyone else, but the moment you start exposing other people to that crap, no matter how harmless you may think it is, you have crossed the line.
Stop trying to justify abusing other people and think of others over yourself for once. It's selfish and rude.
Stadiums, malls, and parks are all spaces where the public expects to go and not be threatened by anyone else. People also are in close contact there and smoke does blow onto other people and does bother them. Hence the ban. If you want to smoke, do it somewhere private and away from other people. Who's stopping you?
The right to kill yourself that way ends where someone else's right to not be harmed (and being disturbed by the smell counts) begins.
Exactly... and what do you wanna bet this new "safe" thing still smells to high heaven? I object to that too. I shouldn't have to smell that stuff all the way through dinner just because you can't wait for half an hour and/or go to the frickin' door and do it outside. Your right to indulge yourself ends where it harms others.
Which they've reportedly had "just around the corner" (it's in one of the other comments in this story) for a while, hence the skepticism I showed. Sure, if they have something that works it will have to be explained by new theories, but always being "a few months away" or whatever doesn't really add to their credibility.
I know. I think I was having a Spaceballs "your schwarz is as big as mine" flashback when I posted my remark earlier. I think that's more scarring than what you'd had in mind...
I noticed they claim to have peer-reviewed journal articles, but don't cite any of them. I'd like to be able to verify that they exist before I believe any of this crap...
Not necessarily. I'm adopted and I haven't had much luck using my birth parents' names. I'm now going to have to ponder whether I want to do somemthing like this, or whether I should. I don't know yet because I have no idea whether they would want to be contacted. (They were high-school students, though, so they may wonder what happened to the baby they gave up because they couldn't raise her... so I have a chance that they'd be interested).
Easy. Use a hex editor to change the offending executable so that it can no longer function. No software has the right to examine ANY other application the user is running. Apps need to keep their noses firmly up their own asses.
Why should I trust the assholes who put their illegal hacking software on my computer in the first place to remove it? They broke my trust when they snuck their crap on in the first place without disclosure or permission.
Also that removal tool won't work without that pile of shit called IE.
Uninstalling undesired software isn't illegal. Software that snoops on what you run isn't a "protection device". It's merely unethical software that interferes with the operation of your computer in a way that removes the user from control. I'll sure as hell remove anything that does THAT with extreme prejudice. Sue me for it? Well, I rejected the terms of the license and removed the software, so what are you going to sue me for? Breach of contract? I terminated any obligations to you when I stopped using your app.
Excuse me, but who said that you had to take the case? You are perfectly free to refuse to take it and say "No, I will not do that because it is ethically wrong." I am SO SICK of people saying "oh we don't have a choice". Yes you do have a choice.
The choice to say "No, this isn't right and I will not be a party to it."
THAT is why lawyers get bashed. Because they don't stand up for what's right. They just want the money.
You dug the hole... now we're watching you try to claw your way out.
If they shut it down I'm screwed since I live at the beginning of Forest Park Parkway near 170 and work at FPP & Euclid.
Guess which section is completely shut down? Yes, that's right. From where I live to where I work. Great, "it's only part of it" but it doesn't help me get to work if the bit I need is precisely the bit they won't let me use.
I'm screwed if they don't reopen the road before 64/40 goes away. Sure, they claim it will be back, but it should have been open RIGHT NOW and it isn't -- they keep pushing back the open date!
Amen. I bought drivethru takeout on my way home last night, and it was raining. It was cold by the time I got there and I live half a mile from the food place. The highway was jammed. The side road was jammed. I finally took a residential street to get home. I saw no accidents. It was not fully dark. WHY was the road jammed solid at 4pm on a Monday!?
I don't condone speeding. I don't do it myself most of the time. But it's NOT that unsafe to do the limit in the rain as long as you have working headlights, wipers, and tires that aren't bald!
I work just east of Forest Park. I live in Brentwood. It's not that long a drive and it shouldn't take that long!
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Why should I? if you're smoking around other people, you're the one who should be acting to avoid injuring or annoying others. I'm not a "militant" by any sense of the word but I do not feel that it is on me to accomodate someone else's unthinking or uncaring actions.
Thanks. It's nice to know that some parents react well to such things. Which of you did the searching?
No matter what it's called, the point/problem is that they don't clearly cite the citations. They make you work for it. Making it more difficult to find makes me wonder what they're hiding. Most research articles will say "According to research to be published in issue X of journal Y..." and this one does not.
Yeah, that's what I'd wondered too. Check the comments I got in reply, though -- one of them has some of the info.
Some states actually do the former. If you can't pass driver's licensing tests, they do the latter as well. (The fact that the testing is completely insufficient to weed out the idiots is another argument, though).
Go look up how diffusion works and you will understand why that idea is ridiculous.
You missed the point. The poster, and I, don't want to be exposed to dangerous and smelly smoke clouds. It is not OK to expose others to something that is potentially harmful for ANY reason; you are free to smoke when you aren't bothering anyone else, but the moment you start exposing other people to that crap, no matter how harmless you may think it is, you have crossed the line.
Stop trying to justify abusing other people and think of others over yourself for once. It's selfish and rude.
Thanks! Good info.
Stadiums, malls, and parks are all spaces where the public expects to go and not be threatened by anyone else. People also are in close contact there and smoke does blow onto other people and does bother them. Hence the ban. If you want to smoke, do it somewhere private and away from other people. Who's stopping you?
The right to kill yourself that way ends where someone else's right to not be harmed (and being disturbed by the smell counts) begins.
Exactly ... and what do you wanna bet this new "safe" thing still smells to high heaven? I object to that too. I shouldn't have to smell that stuff all the way through dinner just because you can't wait for half an hour and/or go to the frickin' door and do it outside. Your right to indulge yourself ends where it harms others.
Which they've reportedly had "just around the corner" (it's in one of the other comments in this story) for a while, hence the skepticism I showed. Sure, if they have something that works it will have to be explained by new theories, but always being "a few months away" or whatever doesn't really add to their credibility.
I know. I think I was having a Spaceballs "your schwarz is as big as mine" flashback when I posted my remark earlier. I think that's more scarring than what you'd had in mind ...
I noticed they claim to have peer-reviewed journal articles, but don't cite any of them. I'd like to be able to verify that they exist before I believe any of this crap ...
Lightsabers are "prostheses" now? Eww ...
Indeed! And I recognize your name, too.
Don't count on getting your skin grafts paid for on my medical insurance!
If you have to ask, you aren't adopted.
I know, a shock eh? ;)
Not necessarily. I'm adopted and I haven't had much luck using my birth parents' names. I'm now going to have to ponder whether I want to do somemthing like this, or whether I should. I don't know yet because I have no idea whether they would want to be contacted. (They were high-school students, though, so they may wonder what happened to the baby they gave up because they couldn't raise her... so I have a chance that they'd be interested).
Easy. Use a hex editor to change the offending executable so that it can no longer function. No software has the right to examine ANY other application the user is running. Apps need to keep their noses firmly up their own asses.
Why should I trust the assholes who put their illegal hacking software on my computer in the first place to remove it? They broke my trust when they snuck their crap on in the first place without disclosure or permission.
Also that removal tool won't work without that pile of shit called IE.
Uninstalling undesired software isn't illegal. Software that snoops on what you run isn't a "protection device". It's merely unethical software that interferes with the operation of your computer in a way that removes the user from control. I'll sure as hell remove anything that does THAT with extreme prejudice. Sue me for it? Well, I rejected the terms of the license and removed the software, so what are you going to sue me for? Breach of contract? I terminated any obligations to you when I stopped using your app.
Excuse me, but who said that you had to take the case? You are perfectly free to refuse to take it and say "No, I will not do that because it is ethically wrong." I am SO SICK of people saying "oh we don't have a choice". Yes you do have a choice.
... now we're watching you try to claw your way out.
The choice to say "No, this isn't right and I will not be a party to it."
THAT is why lawyers get bashed. Because they don't stand up for what's right. They just want the money.
You dug the hole
For non locals, this is Interstate 64.
See http://www.thenewi64.org/ for details.
If they shut it down I'm screwed since I live at the beginning of Forest Park Parkway near 170 and work at FPP & Euclid.
Guess which section is completely shut down? Yes, that's right. From where I live to where I work. Great, "it's only part of it" but it doesn't help me get to work if the bit I need is precisely the bit they won't let me use.
I'm screwed if they don't reopen the road before 64/40 goes away. Sure, they claim it will be back, but it should have been open RIGHT NOW and it isn't -- they keep pushing back the open date!
Amen. I bought drivethru takeout on my way home last night, and it was raining. It was cold by the time I got there and I live half a mile from the food place. The highway was jammed. The side road was jammed. I finally took a residential street to get home. I saw no accidents. It was not fully dark. WHY was the road jammed solid at 4pm on a Monday!?
I don't condone speeding. I don't do it myself most of the time. But it's NOT that unsafe to do the limit in the rain as long as you have working headlights, wipers, and tires that aren't bald!
I work just east of Forest Park. I live in Brentwood. It's not that long a drive and it shouldn't take that long!