I dont know what to tell you. That's the prices in yesterdays paper.
$4.99/lb for peeled shrimp.
$5.99/lb for alaskan salmon.
$4.99 for ground bison.
1lb bag of tossed salad @ 2 for $5
$6.99/lb for T-Bone
local dairy milk $1.69/gal
$0.69/lb Roma tomatoes
And I live in a place with relatively high cost of living. A 20 year old, 2000sqf 3 bedroom house is $180-220k.
You'd have to bargain hunt to feed 3 people cokes and tv dinners for $4. Again, we're back to people being lazy, not that there's no ability to obtain cheap healthy food.
Not to be too harsh, but your problem is not a lack in availability of healthy meals. It's an ability to prioritize your life.
One trip to a store that carries everything you need for the week takes 2 hours. Maybe.
You cant spend a half hour every night making lunches for the next day?
You cant spend an hour or two hours on one weekend preparing meats that can be quickly reheated throughout the rest of the week? Salads or fruit dishes that can be prepacked into tupperware containers in serving sizes?
Overpopulation has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to find the time to do these things if you feel they are paramount for your family.
So your saying that poor people are fat and/or unhealthy because they get sick of eating inexpensive but boring healthy food? Well that certainly justifies a program that will pay you to eat it.
See, this is the entitlement bullshit that we're fighting. Hate to tell you this, but if it's a choice between my kid eating lentils and oatmeal or not eating, he's going to eat lentils and outmeal and like it. It's not your problem to make sure I have a sparkling variety in my diet. People seem to have no freaking clue what a hardshit actually is anymore, which is to be expected from a society that cant be allowed to play dodgeball because someone might get hit with a ball.
Ok, if your idea of healthy is that every meal must be prepared from hormone free, free range alaskan salmon that were tucked in and sung a bedtime song every night, served with kiwi grown from wild hormone free hand-picked elk droppings, I guess I just cant argue with you.
Ask your boss how many of the engineers understand and effectively implement systems security practices. Ask him if he's cool with Channel12 down the street having a preview of every broadcast before it airs, and not being able to audit accesses to determine where the leak or breach occurred.
So how long will it be before we're paid a bonus for watching educational TV rather than reruns of HeeHaw? Who gets the patent for paying people a bonus for taking their kid to soccer practice instead of to a movie? When do I get my check for trimming my hedges with right angles instead of sphere-shaped?
*Insert creepy Mr. Rogers CG animation*
Lets file a patent together boys and girls. Wont that be fun? Today we're going to pay people a bonus to turn that frown upside down, smile, and create a better world for you and me!
This whole concept just makes my skin crawl. Start with the thought that this cant really be implimented unless someone (IBM? FDA?) knows exactly what you eat at any given moment, and it just gets more and more twilight zone from there.
Right. People dont hire idiots for these compartments because they actually need good results.
Members of compartments are all told they are working a secret project. No one compartment knows what other compartments may exist or what the overall project is. (except for one compartment in all likelyhood.)
Compartment 1: You will be researching how different wavelengths react to different surface angles.
Compartment 2: You will be researching how different wavelengths react to different kinds of materials.
Compartment 3: You will be testing different types of radar against the materials we give you.
Compartment 4: You will be testing the aerodynamic properties of materials we give you.
Compartment 5: You will put together technologies based on other research that we provide you.
On the news you hear rumored stealth aircraft technology. It doesn't really matter what compartement you were in, you'll probably figure out how you contributed. Merely telling them that what they are doing is enough to pique interest.
Now apply this same concept to a conspiracy. If you happened to have built a secret device, or manufactured a particular type of secret explosive, or crafted a certain kind of secret projectile, or created a secret animation of a particular kind of craft at a particular place, or happened to secretly park a truck in front of a certain building at a certain time on a certain day,.... and there's a national tradegy that may have used one or more of those things.....
Learning years later that you helped take pictures of Russian missle launchers is one thing. Figuring out that you just assisted in the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people is another entirely.
Wow. That's an incredibly... creative take on the article you pointed to.
The only aspect of "businesses collectively" that's even relevant in that article is the passing comment about increased fuel prices causing less spending capacity of the customers. This particular article is speaking to the sales of Wal Mart being a barometer for the spending of the nation, and they were noting declining sales. The CEO discussed how Wal Mart made some bad choices and reduced variety of goods rather than prices and it hurt thier business. They changed direction and increased variety and lowered prices, which has helped them regain lost sales. They recognized their business failure in keeping to a founding tenent of Wal Mart in keeping their prices low.
They werent complaining that their customers had less money. They recognized very real and impartial economic global tides, and recongized how they didn't react correctly to them.
I wont say that you were outright dishonest in your summary but it's damn close, and you sure as hell suggested a sentiment from the CEO that wasnt there.
The argument is not between a plain colored scarf and a printed scarf (available from Target...
If there is no capitalism, there is no Target. That's the point. Theres no Starbucks, or Dodge, or Dell, or Best Buy, or Levi's, or CNN, or a million other corporations that provide an alternative to their competitor's products. More specifically there's no Dell and HP. There's US Computers. And US Auto. And US News. And US Grocers with a US Coffee brand available.
If there's no capitalism, there's no competitive market. Government controls what is made, and how it's distributed. Maybe it'll be efficient as hell. But I'm willing to bet that most people in this country and in the world would prefer the freedom to find and purchase a t-shirt material scarf with snowflakes on it if that's what turns their crank.
And you're right, there are a myriad of unsustainable business practices. We should probably keep government out of the fucking way and let the shitty businesses fail, dontcha think? There's no aspect of capitalism that includes bailing out any business or industry.
So the question shifts from, "Why bother inventing? The risk of being sued for patent infringement... "
To, "Why bother inventing? Someone else is just going to steal it, mass produce it, and I'll still be exactly where I am today after enriching someone else."
According to some you blame the evil corporations that let you indulge in a glutinous orgy of spending. Then you turn to the government to explain how unfair it is that no sane bank will give you a loan for a house and demand that lending practices be legislated. You follow this with a bankruptcy claim that protects your home and assets (again, legislated this way, because you were taken advantage of), and retire on social security.
So you're suggesting that capitalism desires that people have no money to spend to support the businesses that require their spending?
Putting that logic trainwreck aside for a moment....
The alternative is that the government will mandate economic controls and dictate what will be made, at what level of advancement, by whom, and to whom it shall be given. It would be wholly irresponsible for that government to spend on advancements that merely provide luxuries. The "people's" money should instead be spent solely on that which society must have to survive.
Look down at whatever it is you happen to be wearing at the moment. The chair you're sitting in. The monitor you're reading this text on and the computer which drives it. The building or home that shelters you and the systems that sustain it. Get used to it, because in your alternative all those technologies and their level of quality will be about the same 50 years from now. All people will live at the lowest common denominator in equal levels of decay. The passion to succeed and rise up will be squeezed from everyone save those that nurture the growth of power of government, and then only to their own benefit.
Maybe there's little societal value in a television show about Dirty Jobs. Maybe it's wasteful to produce scarves with snowflakes instead of solid colors. Maybe horn-rimmed glasses are not as cost-efficient as wire rim. The point being, if there's no free market to profit from making a variety of goods, necessarily the variety goes away and the bare essentials are what remain.
I'd actually like to be there when the occupy crowd realizes that there is no more Starbucks.
Agreed. Not only would leaks of these secrets not have been shocking, the also would not have been repugnant. It's easy to keep a secret when you see nothing (morally) worng in the keeping of that secret. It's easier still when you realize few would care if they recieved the news, save perhaps some brief glee in hearing something thats supposed to be a secret. There wouldnt have been a scandal to uncover, or a wrong to be righted, or an atrocity to stop, or a abhorant activity for which someone must be brought to justice.
Even if you were to leak this particular secret... who would care? Even if the Russians' were to find out (and they did), what would they have been capable of doing about it? Start a full scale military action to condemn that which they themselves were guilty of?
This particular program gives no credence at all to the ability for a large scale conspiracy to be kept secret.
...meanwhile at a board of directors meeting at the Cheesecake Factory...
"Can we change the color of our logo?"
"Absolutely. And we've already hired a consulting company at $700/hour to determine the best possible shade of fuchsia. They estimate it'll take them about 3 weeks."
If you are indeed a "software developer and security professional", I truly hope that I am not a consumer of the products you build. Many of your statements show a very cavalier (or ignorant) attitude about systems security that borders on negligent. Of course, that kind of attitide might well be at the root of these types of penetrations...
1) From your statements its obvious you're assuming the threat is only external, or only code based, or only protocol driven, etc. A "software developer and security professional" would know better and never think in those terms.
2) A "software developer and security professional" would never refer to an account or database with PII and financials as "low priority".
3) A "software developer and security professional" would understand that just because there is no evidence of penetration and no apparent damage, one must always assume that the systems can and potentially are compromised.
4) A "software developer and security professional" knows that he must assume that more than one set of services by multiple vendors could be compromised. And while guessing a single password might be difficult or nearly impossible, understanding a particular user's "system" is quite possible if you're able to view two or more examples of the outcome of that "system".
5) A "software developer and security professional" would understand full well that hacking database1 might produce no immediate fruit for the hackers. Nor databse2 or 3 or 4. But those 4 breaches combined can be used to create all necessary keys to break accounts on database5, which was the real target all along.
If your biggest worry is coming up with a new password and remembering it then frankly, suck it up. You should be changing it every 6months at a minimum anyway. You shouldnt even be using the same password for everything either. They should all be unique. There are a number of free applications that will encrypt and store passords. You can put them in the notes of your smartphone. You can write a bs note to your girlfriend that contains hints to yourself to remind you what the password is and stick it in your wallet or email it to yourself. Worst case if you forget and lose the password(s), almost all companies provide password recovery or reset services.
If you cant be bothered to spend an hour a year helping to protect yourself then your self-righteous indignation at a company that is a primary attack target of sophisticated hacking organizations is a freakin joke.
You forgot to mention that the guy that was hired on the database side that really knows security system requirements and finincial data transactions quit 6 months ago because he was sick of dealing with the 60hour a week bullshit and never-ending "crunch time" that is the reality of every game company. He knows that his particular skillset will get him a cush 6 figure gig a block from a beach somewhere that he probably wont even actually have to look for because there are 3 headhunters fighting to represent him.
In the meantime, database guy thats currently responsible for the financial transactions is actually the level 85 geek who was hired at $65k/year to build the character inventory database in the game code. He forgets to pay his own bills on a regular basis due to the sleep deprivation of all-night guild raids, and is completely winging it on the credit card dbase. He keeps telling his boss that they really need a qualified person in this slot, but his boss insists that a dba is a dba, so why should one dba make $65k and another should make $125k? The lack of qualified applicants for for the empty security / financial slot is dumbfounding.
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I dont know what to tell you. That's the prices in yesterdays paper.
$4.99/lb for peeled shrimp.
$5.99/lb for alaskan salmon.
$4.99 for ground bison.
1lb bag of tossed salad @ 2 for $5
$6.99/lb for T-Bone
local dairy milk $1.69/gal
$0.69/lb Roma tomatoes
And I live in a place with relatively high cost of living. A 20 year old, 2000sqf 3 bedroom house is $180-220k.
You'd have to bargain hunt to feed 3 people cokes and tv dinners for $4. Again, we're back to people being lazy, not that there's no ability to obtain cheap healthy food.
I prefer to think of it as Karma.
Not to be too harsh, but your problem is not a lack in availability of healthy meals. It's an ability to prioritize your life.
One trip to a store that carries everything you need for the week takes 2 hours. Maybe.
You cant spend a half hour every night making lunches for the next day?
You cant spend an hour or two hours on one weekend preparing meats that can be quickly reheated throughout the rest of the week? Salads or fruit dishes that can be prepacked into tupperware containers in serving sizes?
Overpopulation has absolutely nothing to do with your ability to find the time to do these things if you feel they are paramount for your family.
So your saying that poor people are fat and/or unhealthy because they get sick of eating inexpensive but boring healthy food? Well that certainly justifies a program that will pay you to eat it.
See, this is the entitlement bullshit that we're fighting. Hate to tell you this, but if it's a choice between my kid eating lentils and oatmeal or not eating, he's going to eat lentils and outmeal and like it. It's not your problem to make sure I have a sparkling variety in my diet. People seem to have no freaking clue what a hardshit actually is anymore, which is to be expected from a society that cant be allowed to play dodgeball because someone might get hit with a ball.
Seriously?
Ok, if your idea of healthy is that every meal must be prepared from hormone free, free range alaskan salmon that were tucked in and sung a bedtime song every night, served with kiwi grown from wild hormone free hand-picked elk droppings, I guess I just cant argue with you.
I just checked the weekly print add for a local grocery.
Chicken -- $1.88/lb for skinless and boneless breasts. Broccoli -- $1.12/lb Bread -- $0.98/loaf
That's a relatively healthy meal for 3 people for $4. How would you eat worse food for that amount?
The problem is not the cost. It's the lazy people that cant be bothered to actually cook, and use fast food as the convenient scapegoat.
Ask your boss how many of the engineers understand and effectively implement systems security practices. Ask him if he's cool with Channel12 down the street having a preview of every broadcast before it airs, and not being able to audit accesses to determine where the leak or breach occurred.
So how long will it be before we're paid a bonus for watching educational TV rather than reruns of HeeHaw? Who gets the patent for paying people a bonus for taking their kid to soccer practice instead of to a movie? When do I get my check for trimming my hedges with right angles instead of sphere-shaped?
*Insert creepy Mr. Rogers CG animation* Lets file a patent together boys and girls. Wont that be fun? Today we're going to pay people a bonus to turn that frown upside down, smile, and create a better world for you and me!
This whole concept just makes my skin crawl. Start with the thought that this cant really be implimented unless someone (IBM? FDA?) knows exactly what you eat at any given moment, and it just gets more and more twilight zone from there.
Penny Arcade told the guy it was going to be published in an article about the events, and the Ocean Marketing response was, "Great !! Love PR".
He shot himself in the foot, emptied the clip and then reloaded.
Right. People dont hire idiots for these compartments because they actually need good results.
.... and there's a national tradegy that may have used one or more of those things.....
Members of compartments are all told they are working a secret project. No one compartment knows what other compartments may exist or what the overall project is. (except for one compartment in all likelyhood.)
Compartment 1: You will be researching how different wavelengths react to different surface angles.
Compartment 2: You will be researching how different wavelengths react to different kinds of materials.
Compartment 3: You will be testing different types of radar against the materials we give you.
Compartment 4: You will be testing the aerodynamic properties of materials we give you.
Compartment 5: You will put together technologies based on other research that we provide you.
On the news you hear rumored stealth aircraft technology. It doesn't really matter what compartement you were in, you'll probably figure out how you contributed. Merely telling them that what they are doing is enough to pique interest.
Now apply this same concept to a conspiracy. If you happened to have built a secret device, or manufactured a particular type of secret explosive, or crafted a certain kind of secret projectile, or created a secret animation of a particular kind of craft at a particular place, or happened to secretly park a truck in front of a certain building at a certain time on a certain day,
Learning years later that you helped take pictures of Russian missle launchers is one thing. Figuring out that you just assisted in the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people is another entirely.
Wow. That's an incredibly... creative take on the article you pointed to.
The only aspect of "businesses collectively" that's even relevant in that article is the passing comment about increased fuel prices causing less spending capacity of the customers. This particular article is speaking to the sales of Wal Mart being a barometer for the spending of the nation, and they were noting declining sales. The CEO discussed how Wal Mart made some bad choices and reduced variety of goods rather than prices and it hurt thier business. They changed direction and increased variety and lowered prices, which has helped them regain lost sales. They recognized their business failure in keeping to a founding tenent of Wal Mart in keeping their prices low.
They werent complaining that their customers had less money. They recognized very real and impartial economic global tides, and recongized how they didn't react correctly to them.
I wont say that you were outright dishonest in your summary but it's damn close, and you sure as hell suggested a sentiment from the CEO that wasnt there.
The argument is not between a plain colored scarf and a printed scarf (available from Target...
If there is no capitalism, there is no Target. That's the point. Theres no Starbucks, or Dodge, or Dell, or Best Buy, or Levi's, or CNN, or a million other corporations that provide an alternative to their competitor's products. More specifically there's no Dell and HP. There's US Computers. And US Auto. And US News. And US Grocers with a US Coffee brand available.
If there's no capitalism, there's no competitive market. Government controls what is made, and how it's distributed. Maybe it'll be efficient as hell. But I'm willing to bet that most people in this country and in the world would prefer the freedom to find and purchase a t-shirt material scarf with snowflakes on it if that's what turns their crank.
And you're right, there are a myriad of unsustainable business practices. We should probably keep government out of the fucking way and let the shitty businesses fail, dontcha think? There's no aspect of capitalism that includes bailing out any business or industry.
So the question shifts from, "Why bother inventing? The risk of being sued for patent infringement... "
To, "Why bother inventing? Someone else is just going to steal it, mass produce it, and I'll still be exactly where I am today after enriching someone else."
According to some you blame the evil corporations that let you indulge in a glutinous orgy of spending. Then you turn to the government to explain how unfair it is that no sane bank will give you a loan for a house and demand that lending practices be legislated. You follow this with a bankruptcy claim that protects your home and assets (again, legislated this way, because you were taken advantage of), and retire on social security.
So you're suggesting that capitalism desires that people have no money to spend to support the businesses that require their spending?
Putting that logic trainwreck aside for a moment....
The alternative is that the government will mandate economic controls and dictate what will be made, at what level of advancement, by whom, and to whom it shall be given. It would be wholly irresponsible for that government to spend on advancements that merely provide luxuries. The "people's" money should instead be spent solely on that which society must have to survive.
Look down at whatever it is you happen to be wearing at the moment. The chair you're sitting in. The monitor you're reading this text on and the computer which drives it. The building or home that shelters you and the systems that sustain it. Get used to it, because in your alternative all those technologies and their level of quality will be about the same 50 years from now. All people will live at the lowest common denominator in equal levels of decay. The passion to succeed and rise up will be squeezed from everyone save those that nurture the growth of power of government, and then only to their own benefit.
Maybe there's little societal value in a television show about Dirty Jobs. Maybe it's wasteful to produce scarves with snowflakes instead of solid colors. Maybe horn-rimmed glasses are not as cost-efficient as wire rim. The point being, if there's no free market to profit from making a variety of goods, necessarily the variety goes away and the bare essentials are what remain.
I'd actually like to be there when the occupy crowd realizes that there is no more Starbucks.
Correct. they are not mutually inclusive. Nor does the ability to keep a government project secret prove the ability to keep a consipiracy secret.
Agreed. Not only would leaks of these secrets not have been shocking, the also would not have been repugnant. It's easy to keep a secret when you see nothing (morally) worng in the keeping of that secret. It's easier still when you realize few would care if they recieved the news, save perhaps some brief glee in hearing something thats supposed to be a secret. There wouldnt have been a scandal to uncover, or a wrong to be righted, or an atrocity to stop, or a abhorant activity for which someone must be brought to justice.
Even if you were to leak this particular secret... who would care? Even if the Russians' were to find out (and they did), what would they have been capable of doing about it? Start a full scale military action to condemn that which they themselves were guilty of?
This particular program gives no credence at all to the ability for a large scale conspiracy to be kept secret.
There's most certainly profit motive if you blow up the guy you owe....
...meanwhile at a board of directors meeting at the Cheesecake Factory...
"Can we change the color of our logo?"
"Absolutely. And we've already hired a consulting company at $700/hour to determine the best possible shade of fuchsia. They estimate it'll take them about 3 weeks."
If you are indeed a "software developer and security professional", I truly hope that I am not a consumer of the products you build. Many of your statements show a very cavalier (or ignorant) attitude about systems security that borders on negligent. Of course, that kind of attitide might well be at the root of these types of penetrations...
1) From your statements its obvious you're assuming the threat is only external, or only code based, or only protocol driven, etc. A "software developer and security professional" would know better and never think in those terms.
2) A "software developer and security professional" would never refer to an account or database with PII and financials as "low priority".
3) A "software developer and security professional" would understand that just because there is no evidence of penetration and no apparent damage, one must always assume that the systems can and potentially are compromised.
4) A "software developer and security professional" knows that he must assume that more than one set of services by multiple vendors could be compromised. And while guessing a single password might be difficult or nearly impossible, understanding a particular user's "system" is quite possible if you're able to view two or more examples of the outcome of that "system".
5) A "software developer and security professional" would understand full well that hacking database1 might produce no immediate fruit for the hackers. Nor databse2 or 3 or 4. But those 4 breaches combined can be used to create all necessary keys to break accounts on database5, which was the real target all along.
I'd like to see the cost of any serveice that can gaurantee that a breach is not possible.
Sure, they can fund the game for a subscription fee of $15/month.
But the fee to use credit card transactions for the subscription is $40/month.
If your biggest worry is coming up with a new password and remembering it then frankly, suck it up. You should be changing it every 6months at a minimum anyway. You shouldnt even be using the same password for everything either. They should all be unique. There are a number of free applications that will encrypt and store passords. You can put them in the notes of your smartphone. You can write a bs note to your girlfriend that contains hints to yourself to remind you what the password is and stick it in your wallet or email it to yourself. Worst case if you forget and lose the password(s), almost all companies provide password recovery or reset services.
If you cant be bothered to spend an hour a year helping to protect yourself then your self-righteous indignation at a company that is a primary attack target of sophisticated hacking organizations is a freakin joke.
You forgot to mention that the guy that was hired on the database side that really knows security system requirements and finincial data transactions quit 6 months ago because he was sick of dealing with the 60hour a week bullshit and never-ending "crunch time" that is the reality of every game company. He knows that his particular skillset will get him a cush 6 figure gig a block from a beach somewhere that he probably wont even actually have to look for because there are 3 headhunters fighting to represent him.
In the meantime, database guy thats currently responsible for the financial transactions is actually the level 85 geek who was hired at $65k/year to build the character inventory database in the game code. He forgets to pay his own bills on a regular basis due to the sleep deprivation of all-night guild raids, and is completely winging it on the credit card dbase. He keeps telling his boss that they really need a qualified person in this slot, but his boss insists that a dba is a dba, so why should one dba make $65k and another should make $125k? The lack of qualified applicants for for the empty security / financial slot is dumbfounding.