I have a i7-920 on the test bench, it is still plenty fast for most anything you'd do with your average desktop computer, but the newer chips are indeed faster.
For example, comparing the i7-920 against the i3-6320, you'll find the 2.66 GHz i7 actually slower in some tasks than the modern i3 chip.
The i3 runs at 3.9 GHz, this is more than 45% faster, and it doesn't even including the IPC improvements across that many generations.
Now, on some very specific tasks, the old i7 might be faster thanks to its triple channel memory and its 4 true cores and 8 threads.
But those situations are very specific. The dual core, quad thread i3 is enough for a lot of things and even for those where it isn't, the faster clock speed combined with the higher IPC makes up a lot of the difference.
Many, but it requires seeing a future that is different than today. Having the Internet of Things all wired up and knowing who you are, making your life easier, and providing you with what you need, when you need it.
The vision is one of services, rather than products. Selling you a box of software (or a download, whatever), vs. providing an ongoing service.
MS Office can be a boxed product, Cortana cannot be... Office is more or less finished in terms of a stand alone product, to really make it interesting going forward requires the always-on, always-connected, datalinked world that some people are afraid of.
Have you seen the tools in Office 2016 that allow multiple people to work on and edit documents in real time, with text, voice, or video links?
This will change how we work with computers, technology, and the Internet.
there are plenty of people still there who strongly want to make a cross-platform "operating system" because they think the desktop is vanishing
The desktop IS vanishing as you know it. Perhaps that is part of the anger over Windows 10, some people don't want it to change. Fair enough, but it is going to change regardless.
My mother has the same problem, she doesn't want a smart phone, she wants a feature phone that takes pictures and does text messages and has a nice physical keyboard. Those are getting harder to find. They exist, but not like they used to.
The desktop is turning into "the cloud", where you have an account and services and they follow you where ever you are, on whatever device you're nearest. That is the future.
No you're not. But here is the thing... I'm GLAD you have Linux to play with, I'm glad it exists for many reasons. Just existing is enough to make some people aware of it, it provides for good Internet servers, it does provide a small threat to MS to keep them on their toes, and gives people who care something to play with.
I don't want it to go away, it is a good thing.
I'm just saying it'll never becoming a big thing (on the desktop), that's all.
Moore's law is dead. Core count is stagnant. All recent gains seem to be in incremental power savings.
You discard the improvements in power savings like they are nothing.
Today you can get the same performance as 5 years ago, for 1/3 the power consumption.
That is a massive improvement. Moore's Law isn't dead, instead of more performance, Intel has focused on using less power to provide the same, or slightly better performance. Give these new chips 130w to play with and they'll blow away the older stuff. But what took 130w 5 years ago now only takes 45w.
I believe you... I don't think you're posting a lie... I'm just sharing what I see...
There could be many reasons for the difference... I'm just saying that I can press the Windows button and start typing right away and it doesn't miss a key stroke.
I can have my finger over a letter, and the instant I press the windows key, press the letter key, and it catches it.
It might take a half a second to show the search results, but that is ok, since it doesn't miss the keys.
The irony is that only 8 cost Balmer his job, when Vista should have done it...
But the big pushback against 8 was the interface, and MS fixed that and in that way, admits it was a mistake. Firing Balmer is another way of saying, "yea, we messed up".
But MS hits on enough cylinders to keep going. Win XP, Win 7, and now Win 10 are good enough that people don't need anything else.
Win 10 smells more of evil.
What you smell as "evil" others smell as "progress".
Cortana is wonderful, I look forward to future versions that work even better. But Cortana really doesn't work without the cloud, the datastreams, etc.
At some point, you either have to accept that this stuff exists, or unplug it all and stay where you are.
You DO have that choice, some people still run Windows XP after all, that is an option. But the percentage of people doing that continues to drop.
An always online, connected world with shared data and personal assistants will require all this. Security is of course an issue, but clearly MS has been on that path for awhile now. It isn't perfect, but at least they know it is an issue.
What you call bleak, I call exciting.:) Different strokes I suppose...
The future I envision is having Tony Stark's Jarvis personal assistant program open-sourced and running on my personal home Linux cluster behind a firewall with all of my devices connected locally or remotely through that interface... most likely all Linux devices. The computing power is mine, the data is mine, the agent that collects my preferences and conducts searches runs locally and for me, not some third party that wants to sell my information or could get easily hacked and cause numerous headaches.
That sounds great, but it is a fantasy... that will exist of course, but it'll be more like Siri/Cortana/Alexa is today, server driven and universal profiled with an account somewhere.
The number of people who are going to run a "personal home Linux cluster" are the extreme margins, probably less than 1%.
Windows 10 is the most intrusive software yet -- even includes a keylogger.
That sounds SO scary, but it really isn't, it is FUD...
Cortana doesn't function unless it sends your typed or spoken words to MS. Siri and Alexa work the same way.
A whole bunch of "oh my god the scaries" are posted there, but doing what they suggest also turns off a bunch of features. If you plan to use a personal assistant like Cortana, you WANT her to get to know you, it makes her better over time.
This is the same as Google getting to know you, your Google searches when you're logged in are better than when they are not, Google learns you over time and provides a better experience.
As for Apple, they're so much more popular now than they were 20 years ago. I'm impressed with how many university students have them. Many of my family members have Macs, too. I always tell them that PCs are cheaper, but an Apple will "just work" with less hassle.
Don't confuse ancidotes with data. iOS is popular, OS X is not. OS X is hovering around 5% desktop market share, about where it has been for a long time. It simply costs too much to gain much more than that.
As for "just working", that is true, OS X just works, but so does Windows, and has since Windows 7. Win 10 has been by far the smoothest upgrade I've seen. I've installed it on dozens of machines now, as an upgrade, something I never used to do. Windows 7 was a clean install, not an upgrade, but my main machine was several years old, had gone through a motherboard change and multiple hardware changes without a Win 7 reinstall.
Installed Windows 10 on it, 100% of everything worked perfectly at first reboot, nothing had to be touched. MS did a bloody good job with it.
I've toyed with Linux for decades, but now that I've found Cubuntu -- Ubuntu with Cinnamon and no zeitgeist crap; I've found a Linux distro that does literally everything I used Windows for. Web browsing (chromium) 90% of my usage, movie watching (vlc) 5%, then libreoffice, steam, wine for a few games, etc.
Linux had its chance of the desktop market 15 years ago, that ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. Yes, you found something that works, and it does indeed work. But for various reasons that have nothing to do with technology, it isn't going to happen. But you may keep using it of course and it isn't going away, it just isn't going above the 1-2% market share that it has and has had for awhile.
I see a future without Windows.
I don't, and there is the difference. Nothing wrong with your point of view of course, it is colored by your perceptions and biases, as is mine.
Time will tell, but in fairness, nothing you've said is new. Most of those points were made 15 years ago when Win XP launched a
That ship has sailed, Linux had its chance about 15 years ago, if the launch of Windows ME, Windows 2000, and even the RTM version of Windows XP didn't do it, Windows 10 won't either.
OS X actually could have a decent chance, if Apple would be willing to change how they sell it or how they build and price computers.
A decent Mac desktop computer for $599, $799, and $999 at those price points would sell, and sell a lot I believe. But the lowest price Apple tower is several thousand dollars, it is just silly.
The amount of telemetry/spying intrusion that Microsoft expects users to accept without question is...staggering.
And yet I don't care.
And millions and millions of people just like me don't care.
I'm a technical user, I have a dozen computers in my home, I build my own machines, I own my own technology business.
I still don't care.
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Why? Because I see the future that is coming, and I also see the upsides to all this two way communication.
You only see the downsides, you want to keep it the way it used to be. While the horse was nice for personal transport once, the car is much better.
Windows 10 is the future of the car, it is the Model T of what will come.
You don't have to get on, you can avoid it if you want. But you'll increasingly be in the minority, and that's ok. Just don't kid yourself, the benefits and features of the future will sway the vast majority.
The problem is that there are real alternatives now for the consumer, not like back in the monopoly days.
What, Mac? That existed 20 years ago as well, nothing there has changed. Still expensive, still limited in software and hardware choices. Linux? For the desktop? Give me a break, that ship has long since sailed and isn't coming back.
Yes, I would like to see competition in the desktop OS market, OS X could be that competition, but until Apple changes how it does business, that isn't going to happen.
Since about 2011, we've done over 30 such systems, and in most cases
Wow, you've done... like OVER 30 such things in 4 YEARS?
Yea, that is really gonna cut into Windows marketshare right there.
We showed them several traffic analysis done on an "uncastrated" copy of Win10. In both cases, the owners opted for us to install Linux on their systems.
All two of them, huh?
Yea, the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is right around the corner.
and just how is it that you secure a product that is constantly talking to systems on the internet, and doesn't have a way to disable such communication? An early beta of Win10 did this as well, I saw it - I was just curious what Win10 looked like, so I put it on something. After seeing that, I quickly removed it and any thought I'd ever use Windows for anything ever again.
So you installed a beta version of Windows 10, one that told you it had such things in it that couldn't be disabled because it was a TEST VERSION, you didn't like it, and now you hate Windows forever?
Yea, right. You already hated Windows and were just looking for a reason. You're simply doing confirmation bias, you want your existing bias confirmed and this is how you did it.
Electric and hybrid electric vehicles are pretty clearly the next evolution in automobiles and that only happens if they are a viable technology.
You seem to be quite sure of this... I would question as to why?
Is it because of all the press they get?
Is it because of all the sales they get?
Well, they DO get a lot of press... but sales? Plug in EVs of all types were less than 1% of the total light car and truck sales in the US in 2014 (it was 0.7% to be exact).
That is a rounding error, not the "coming replacement of ICE cars".
Now, that number might grow into something other than a rounding error, but lets be frank, if it tripled in the next three years, the media might well say, "EV sales have tripled", and yet the number would still be a rounding error, abit less of one.
I'm trying really hard to teach my kids non-violent conflict resolution. If there is anyway to avoid a fight, do so. Back down, walk away, talk it out, whatever.
I am trying to instill in them the concept that if we are to call ourselves civilized, then the violence against our fellow humans has got to stop. It is a really crappy way to solve problems.
Maybe we need to focus on teaching how to resolve conflicts and disagreements peaceful and respectfully in school, since it doesn't seem to be happening as much at home anymore. Provide kids the knowledge and skills to work out differences without resorting to hitting, kicking, etc.
I'm from Texas, I've been shooting and carrying guns all my life.
You are completely correct... deadly force is only to be used when defending yourself...
The irony is that in Texas, you're allowed to use deadly force to protect your property as well... however most people I've talked to have told me they won't shoot someone over "stuff".
I know I wouldn't... only to protect another person or myself...
Guns are not toys and you should never use one casually. That idiot you posted about... lord that it someone screaming for a Darwin award...
That depends on whether trespassing is a misdemeanor or an infraction. Which can be very, very fuzzy in some states. In California, you don't make a citizen's arrest on trespassing, which is a traffic ticket. Holding them against their will becomes unlawful imprisonment, a misdemeanor in its own right. Holding them and moving them elsewhere becomes kidnapping, a felony, which justifies the use of deadly force in self defense.
Depends on the state, situation, and location...
Here in Texas, even with our gun culture and self-defense viewpoint, you cannot detain someone (or shoot them or threaten to do so in any manor) if they are simply walking across your property. You can verbally inform them they are trespassing and you'll call the cops if they don't leave.
However, if they attempt to steal your property, if you see them pickup something like a generator off your land and try to leave with it, then you can shoot them.
I've managed a 50 acre resort and have had to deal with trespassers (mostly high school kids from the neighborhood sneaking into the pool). The vast majority of them leave when asked. There is no reason to escalate the situation unless they refuse to leave or start destroying property.
Your 50 acre resort probably didn't have trade secrets to protect and didn't have to be concerned about competition and other people sneaking in to discover ways to harm your business.
Tesla has that concern, so they need better security.
a) You can't legally just drive over people, even if they're doing something they shouldn't be.
Thank you, this...
Even if the security ATV was blocking the road and preventing them from leaving, even if that is illegal, that doesn't then give you the right to drive over people or intentionally crash into another vehicle, with perhaps the sole exception of fear for your life...
Does anyone claim that security was pointing guns or shooting at the reporters? If not, then vehicular assault is clearly illegal.
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It depends on what you're doing...
I have a i7-920 on the test bench, it is still plenty fast for most anything you'd do with your average desktop computer, but the newer chips are indeed faster.
For example, comparing the i7-920 against the i3-6320, you'll find the 2.66 GHz i7 actually slower in some tasks than the modern i3 chip.
The i3 runs at 3.9 GHz, this is more than 45% faster, and it doesn't even including the IPC improvements across that many generations.
Now, on some very specific tasks, the old i7 might be faster thanks to its triple channel memory and its 4 true cores and 8 threads.
But those situations are very specific. The dual core, quad thread i3 is enough for a lot of things and even for those where it isn't, the faster clock speed combined with the higher IPC makes up a lot of the difference.
IBM sold $20 billion dollars worth of mainframes in the first three months of 2015.
I don't think the mainframe went anywhere, the media just stopped talking about it.
No they don't because I don't just roll over and take whatever is handed out like you do.
Do you have any credit or debit cards? A bank account? Reward cards?
A cell phone?
A modern vehicle?
Do you have Internet at home with computers connected to it?
Do you use a DVR box to watch TV with (TiVo, cable company, Dish, etc.)?
Then you already have given the big information companies a huge volume of information about you without even knowing it.
What are the upsides?
Many, but it requires seeing a future that is different than today. Having the Internet of Things all wired up and knowing who you are, making your life easier, and providing you with what you need, when you need it.
The vision is one of services, rather than products. Selling you a box of software (or a download, whatever), vs. providing an ongoing service.
MS Office can be a boxed product, Cortana cannot be... Office is more or less finished in terms of a stand alone product, to really make it interesting going forward requires the always-on, always-connected, datalinked world that some people are afraid of.
Have you seen the tools in Office 2016 that allow multiple people to work on and edit documents in real time, with text, voice, or video links?
This will change how we work with computers, technology, and the Internet.
there are plenty of people still there who strongly want to make a cross-platform "operating system" because they think the desktop is vanishing
The desktop IS vanishing as you know it. Perhaps that is part of the anger over Windows 10, some people don't want it to change. Fair enough, but it is going to change regardless.
My mother has the same problem, she doesn't want a smart phone, she wants a feature phone that takes pictures and does text messages and has a nice physical keyboard. Those are getting harder to find. They exist, but not like they used to.
The desktop is turning into "the cloud", where you have an account and services and they follow you where ever you are, on whatever device you're nearest. That is the future.
I'm not the average user, I suppose.
No you're not. But here is the thing... I'm GLAD you have Linux to play with, I'm glad it exists for many reasons. Just existing is enough to make some people aware of it, it provides for good Internet servers, it does provide a small threat to MS to keep them on their toes, and gives people who care something to play with.
I don't want it to go away, it is a good thing.
I'm just saying it'll never becoming a big thing (on the desktop), that's all.
Laptops are where the really big difference has been, IMHO...
5+ years ago, the idea of having a thin and light notebook that got 6+ hours of battery life while being useful was a fantasy.
Today, you can get a really useful laptop for a really reasonable price that has really nice power life.
The reasonable performance you can get in 15 watts today vs. 5, 10, or 15 years ago is astounding...
I understand your point and what you want.
I'm simply pointing out that gains have been made, if not in the area you personally care about.
Moore's law is dead. Core count is stagnant. All recent gains seem to be in incremental power savings.
You discard the improvements in power savings like they are nothing.
Today you can get the same performance as 5 years ago, for 1/3 the power consumption.
That is a massive improvement. Moore's Law isn't dead, instead of more performance, Intel has focused on using less power to provide the same, or slightly better performance. Give these new chips 130w to play with and they'll blow away the older stuff. But what took 130w 5 years ago now only takes 45w.
That is a big deal.
I believe you... I don't think you're posting a lie... I'm just sharing what I see...
There could be many reasons for the difference... I'm just saying that I can press the Windows button and start typing right away and it doesn't miss a key stroke.
I can have my finger over a letter, and the instant I press the windows key, press the letter key, and it catches it.
It might take a half a second to show the search results, but that is ok, since it doesn't miss the keys.
Win ME, Vista, and 8 reeked of incompetence.
Agreed...
The irony is that only 8 cost Balmer his job, when Vista should have done it...
But the big pushback against 8 was the interface, and MS fixed that and in that way, admits it was a mistake. Firing Balmer is another way of saying, "yea, we messed up".
But MS hits on enough cylinders to keep going. Win XP, Win 7, and now Win 10 are good enough that people don't need anything else.
Win 10 smells more of evil.
What you smell as "evil" others smell as "progress".
Cortana is wonderful, I look forward to future versions that work even better. But Cortana really doesn't work without the cloud, the datastreams, etc.
At some point, you either have to accept that this stuff exists, or unplug it all and stay where you are.
You DO have that choice, some people still run Windows XP after all, that is an option. But the percentage of people doing that continues to drop.
An always online, connected world with shared data and personal assistants will require all this. Security is of course an issue, but clearly MS has been on that path for awhile now. It isn't perfect, but at least they know it is an issue.
You see a very bleak future, my friend.
What you call bleak, I call exciting. :) Different strokes I suppose...
The future I envision is having Tony Stark's Jarvis personal assistant program open-sourced and running on my personal home Linux cluster behind a firewall with all of my devices connected locally or remotely through that interface... most likely all Linux devices. The computing power is mine, the data is mine, the agent that collects my preferences and conducts searches runs locally and for me, not some third party that wants to sell my information or could get easily hacked and cause numerous headaches.
That sounds great, but it is a fantasy... that will exist of course, but it'll be more like Siri/Cortana/Alexa is today, server driven and universal profiled with an account somewhere.
The number of people who are going to run a "personal home Linux cluster" are the extreme margins, probably less than 1%.
Windows 10 is the most intrusive software yet -- even includes a keylogger.
That sounds SO scary, but it really isn't, it is FUD...
Cortana doesn't function unless it sends your typed or spoken words to MS. Siri and Alexa work the same way.
http://thehackernews.com/2015/...
A whole bunch of "oh my god the scaries" are posted there, but doing what they suggest also turns off a bunch of features. If you plan to use a personal assistant like Cortana, you WANT her to get to know you, it makes her better over time.
This is the same as Google getting to know you, your Google searches when you're logged in are better than when they are not, Google learns you over time and provides a better experience.
As for Apple, they're so much more popular now than they were 20 years ago. I'm impressed with how many university students have them. Many of my family members have Macs, too. I always tell them that PCs are cheaper, but an Apple will "just work" with less hassle.
Don't confuse ancidotes with data. iOS is popular, OS X is not. OS X is hovering around 5% desktop market share, about where it has been for a long time. It simply costs too much to gain much more than that.
As for "just working", that is true, OS X just works, but so does Windows, and has since Windows 7. Win 10 has been by far the smoothest upgrade I've seen. I've installed it on dozens of machines now, as an upgrade, something I never used to do. Windows 7 was a clean install, not an upgrade, but my main machine was several years old, had gone through a motherboard change and multiple hardware changes without a Win 7 reinstall.
Installed Windows 10 on it, 100% of everything worked perfectly at first reboot, nothing had to be touched. MS did a bloody good job with it.
I've toyed with Linux for decades, but now that I've found Cubuntu -- Ubuntu with Cinnamon and no zeitgeist crap; I've found a Linux distro that does literally everything I used Windows for. Web browsing (chromium) 90% of my usage, movie watching (vlc) 5%, then libreoffice, steam, wine for a few games, etc.
Linux had its chance of the desktop market 15 years ago, that ship has sailed and it isn't coming back. Yes, you found something that works, and it does indeed work. But for various reasons that have nothing to do with technology, it isn't going to happen. But you may keep using it of course and it isn't going away, it just isn't going above the 1-2% market share that it has and has had for awhile.
I see a future without Windows.
I don't, and there is the difference. Nothing wrong with your point of view of course, it is colored by your perceptions and biases, as is mine.
Time will tell, but in fairness, nothing you've said is new. Most of those points were made 15 years ago when Win XP launched a
But that is my point, there isn't a delay.
I just tried it on my laptop that I'm typing this on, I pressed the windows button and started typing right away, it catches everything.
This is the year of Linus!
I imagine you were joking, or I hope...
That ship has sailed, Linux had its chance about 15 years ago, if the launch of Windows ME, Windows 2000, and even the RTM version of Windows XP didn't do it, Windows 10 won't either.
OS X actually could have a decent chance, if Apple would be willing to change how they sell it or how they build and price computers.
A decent Mac desktop computer for $599, $799, and $999 at those price points would sell, and sell a lot I believe. But the lowest price Apple tower is several thousand dollars, it is just silly.
The amount of telemetry/spying intrusion that Microsoft expects users to accept without question is...staggering.
And yet I don't care.
And millions and millions of people just like me don't care.
I'm a technical user, I have a dozen computers in my home, I build my own machines, I own my own technology business.
I still don't care.
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Why? Because I see the future that is coming, and I also see the upsides to all this two way communication.
You only see the downsides, you want to keep it the way it used to be. While the horse was nice for personal transport once, the car is much better.
Windows 10 is the future of the car, it is the Model T of what will come.
You don't have to get on, you can avoid it if you want. But you'll increasingly be in the minority, and that's ok. Just don't kid yourself, the benefits and features of the future will sway the vast majority.
The problem is that there are real alternatives now for the consumer, not like back in the monopoly days.
What, Mac? That existed 20 years ago as well, nothing there has changed. Still expensive, still limited in software and hardware choices. Linux? For the desktop? Give me a break, that ship has long since sailed and isn't coming back.
Yes, I would like to see competition in the desktop OS market, OS X could be that competition, but until Apple changes how it does business, that isn't going to happen.
Fair enough, but then that means you're done with mainstream computing in general, because that is the future and it really won't be avoidable.
Oh sure, you'll fight it and try, but it will be one workaround after another and you'll probably be less effective than you think you really are.
Besides, the marketing companies already know a ton about you, more than you probably think they do.
Then something is wrong with your machine...
I've got Windows 10 installed on everything from an i7 Haswell refresh to a Core2Quad Q6600.
No start menu lag on any of them, type as fast as you want.
Unless you're running on an old Pentium 4 perhaps? Then maybe yea...
Since about 2011, we've done over 30 such systems, and in most cases
Wow, you've done... like OVER 30 such things in 4 YEARS?
Yea, that is really gonna cut into Windows marketshare right there.
We showed them several traffic analysis done on an "uncastrated" copy of Win10. In both cases, the owners opted for us to install Linux on their systems.
All two of them, huh?
Yea, the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is right around the corner.
and just how is it that you secure a product that is constantly talking to systems on the internet, and doesn't have a way to disable such communication? An early beta of Win10 did this as well, I saw it - I was just curious what Win10 looked like, so I put it on something. After seeing that, I quickly removed it and any thought I'd ever use Windows for anything ever again.
So you installed a beta version of Windows 10, one that told you it had such things in it that couldn't be disabled because it was a TEST VERSION, you didn't like it, and now you hate Windows forever?
Yea, right. You already hated Windows and were just looking for a reason. You're simply doing confirmation bias, you want your existing bias confirmed and this is how you did it.
Electric and hybrid electric vehicles are pretty clearly the next evolution in automobiles and that only happens if they are a viable technology.
You seem to be quite sure of this... I would question as to why?
Is it because of all the press they get?
Is it because of all the sales they get?
Well, they DO get a lot of press... but sales? Plug in EVs of all types were less than 1% of the total light car and truck sales in the US in 2014 (it was 0.7% to be exact).
That is a rounding error, not the "coming replacement of ICE cars".
Now, that number might grow into something other than a rounding error, but lets be frank, if it tripled in the next three years, the media might well say, "EV sales have tripled", and yet the number would still be a rounding error, abit less of one.
Thanks. :)
I'm trying really hard to teach my kids non-violent conflict resolution. If there is anyway to avoid a fight, do so. Back down, walk away, talk it out, whatever.
I am trying to instill in them the concept that if we are to call ourselves civilized, then the violence against our fellow humans has got to stop. It is a really crappy way to solve problems.
Maybe we need to focus on teaching how to resolve conflicts and disagreements peaceful and respectfully in school, since it doesn't seem to be happening as much at home anymore. Provide kids the knowledge and skills to work out differences without resorting to hitting, kicking, etc.
Anyway, thanks. :)
Ok, that was kinda funny... I'll give you a 5/10 for that one. :)
I'm from Texas, I've been shooting and carrying guns all my life.
You are completely correct... deadly force is only to be used when defending yourself...
The irony is that in Texas, you're allowed to use deadly force to protect your property as well... however most people I've talked to have told me they won't shoot someone over "stuff".
I know I wouldn't... only to protect another person or myself...
Guns are not toys and you should never use one casually. That idiot you posted about... lord that it someone screaming for a Darwin award...
That depends on whether trespassing is a misdemeanor or an infraction. Which can be very, very fuzzy in some states. In California, you don't make a citizen's arrest on trespassing, which is a traffic ticket. Holding them against their will becomes unlawful imprisonment, a misdemeanor in its own right. Holding them and moving them elsewhere becomes kidnapping, a felony, which justifies the use of deadly force in self defense.
Depends on the state, situation, and location...
Here in Texas, even with our gun culture and self-defense viewpoint, you cannot detain someone (or shoot them or threaten to do so in any manor) if they are simply walking across your property. You can verbally inform them they are trespassing and you'll call the cops if they don't leave.
However, if they attempt to steal your property, if you see them pickup something like a generator off your land and try to leave with it, then you can shoot them.
I've managed a 50 acre resort and have had to deal with trespassers (mostly high school kids from the neighborhood sneaking into the pool). The vast majority of them leave when asked. There is no reason to escalate the situation unless they refuse to leave or start destroying property.
Your 50 acre resort probably didn't have trade secrets to protect and didn't have to be concerned about competition and other people sneaking in to discover ways to harm your business.
Tesla has that concern, so they need better security.
a) You can't legally just drive over people, even if they're doing something they shouldn't be.
Thank you, this...
Even if the security ATV was blocking the road and preventing them from leaving, even if that is illegal, that doesn't then give you the right to drive over people or intentionally crash into another vehicle, with perhaps the sole exception of fear for your life...
Does anyone claim that security was pointing guns or shooting at the reporters? If not, then vehicular assault is clearly illegal.