No, the example given stated that the vendor is requested to load the site license disk image onto the machines in many cases.
This would be several things:
1) Violation by the company
2) Assisted violation by the vendor
3) A good reason for it to be on the RFQ
Exactly, the items that use the most power in the PC are as follows:
1) LCD
2) Hard Drive
3) Memory
4) CD/DVD (If used sparingly, otherwise higher up)
5) CPU
Remember, the CPU will sleep and shut down portions on HLT instructions, memory is always going.
Plus, code morphing just isnt fast.....I dont want my programs to run faster the more i use them, I want them to run fast everytime. And the fact that it caches translated code in main memory....oh great, I thought shared video memory took too many precious resources from systems!
Viewing the page is different than poking around in the computer after the crime. He left logs of actions of port scans, of ftp logins, of DNS zone transfers.
Now I will ask you this, how many people will actually do those activities on a server that they do not own, for the purpose of "just looking". I'm sorry, but 99% of the time, it is a hack in processes.
As someone else mentioned, its like not just viewing a crime scene, but crossing the yellow tape. Whether or not he did the original crime, tampering with what may have been used to cause it, which then resulting in his IP in the logs, could easily be found as either a hacker looking back over his work, or, how about this: Tampering with evidence. By adding hack-like activity to server log, which is on a server being investigated, activity as such could be done to purposely fool investigators. If they decide to charge him on tampering with evidence, I would certainly support the government.
There is a definate line between looking at the page, and digging through the server. He definately crossed it, and whether an attack was carried out or not, if it appears an attack was in progress he can be arrested or sued, Sure, port scanning may not be illegal, but attempted breakins are. The line is very fine, infact its more or less decided by a 12 average citizens who know nothing about computers, who are given evidence that someone was snooping around inside the server. Guess what, 99 out of 100 times he would be convicted.
I'm sorry, just blatently bad decisions on his part. You people should get a reality check.
My Epson 900 works fine with Windows 2000.
The Win2k generic Epson printer didnt work well, but when I got the official Epson drivers worked 100% of the time.
Last time I checked when you pay for a domain you do not buy the root server. The domain system that is used is only one of many.......if you want to own them, setup your own root level server. The Root Server and all domains on it are property of the server's owner.
Just because your root server is ignored by the world isnt my fault, the other root server's organization's fault, or anyone elses.......
Grow up, the DNS system in my opinion is outdated and should be replaced by a better directory service......but stop complaining, you do not own it.......you pay for them to set it up and maintain the service........
Remember, it was once free when demand was very low......once the damand dictacted hiring hundreds of people to manage domains and the equipment, they needed to charge money.
I reported this 2 weeks ago when I got notification from E-Machines that it was being discontinued.....why is it I find I am always ignored by the people who run Slashdot?
I found out that MS blocked all this while I was on the Win2k beta program......its all been implimented already for the protection of their network. (Yes, I occassionally did bother to read their newsgroups....amazing huh?)
Actually, the Windows task bar has roots in Microsoft Windows 1.0 (Which you can find and download on the net). In Windows 1.0, any application that was not in use, was minimized to the bottom of the screen as an icon on the desktop. You may say thats like Windows 3.x, but I would disagree, because in Windows 1.0, you could not cover that up! In Win 1.0 you always had the task icons at the bottom of the screen and always knew where to switch back and forth between programs at.
Microsoft Windows - Behold the Power of Swiss Cheese
To make Quake run on slow networks and modems it had to make trade offs...saying these wouldn't have existed if open source is bullshit. People would have just taken advantage of it earlier on. What really irks me is he just try's to push open source for everything. Its his own agenda. He is famous, he likes the attention. Multiplayer games should NOT be open source for this reason. Think about it, even if you let the server decide everything, you still need to send actions (Move forward, etc) to the server....this can be sent the wrong way, so with a minimal client you still could crack the game. Whats the advantage of closed source? Easier to PREVENT major hacking and cheating groups. So what if one person hacks it? Its a lot better than the hundreds if not thousands doing it right now. ESR should pull his head out of his ass and realize or atleast tell his faithful followers that not everything is nessecarly a good thing to open up, or if so, maybe the Quake graphics engine should have been all....
This can easily be done in my opinion. Build the case from plexy glass or other plastic materials....make sure the power supply is inside along with some copper tubing for your cooling system as you are going to need to liquid cool if you aren't going to have air flow. Next, you need to bring the cooling tubes out of the case and build a radiator with some fans blowing across it....this part doesn't have to be very protected from the elements....then paint the thing with liquid rubber of sorts to seal it. Of course, an easier solution would be to go to a company like Fibertron....they sell several outdoor cabinets used for fiber optics equipment which are sealed from the elements. Another option would be get a tube that the computer can fit in (would have to be rather big, y/n? hehe), cap the top and mount the board at the top...run all cables out the bottom and give a few feet of extra space at the bottom...chances that the elements easily find their way up that is much less and its a very inexpensive route. -Dan Guisinger
You guys gripe and complain about everything, and you know what, slashdot is becoming less popular with myself and others because of it.
Here is how your logic plays out: IE/Netscape can send User Agent Strings because it is documented in the standard and in 3rd party books.
Most users who browse the internet do not know about this, just as they don't know about Q3 sending **considerably less information** to ID Software.
Lets add this to the pot to make it boil. From your logic, it becomes OK if someone who writes a book on making levels for Quake III mentions in their book that Quake III reports that information.
Face it, its not going to stop. People are collecting information all the time. Since when has your browser asked you if you wanted it to send a User Agent string?
BTW, my assement of an average linux machine is based off my experience that many linux users are teenagers w/o the money to spend on the hardware they need to run Windows efficiently, but is usually good enough to run linux at very decent speeds.
Lol...I expected to hear about that rant:) (Although not so quickly)
The fact is that most likely a user who does know enough about it will be the one who cares and disables it
The user who doesn't know about it will ignore it and wouldn't care anyways.Its not personal information, its a video card for heaven sake! Its not giving out their SSN and it results in better support for them!
It comes time that people should realize that if they don't want anyone to know anything about them, they should shrivel up and die.... (Actually, that wouldn't work, there are still records of even that)
Personally, I am glad that you collect information on my machine. If it didn't run on my machine, I'd be pretty pissed if it was a result from you thinking that there was lack of a reason to support my machine.
Who cares if you log that? Its not my phone number, my email address, or my name. And to those who complain that you could trace back the IP address to who your ISP is and ask them for your name, all I can say is DUH! I visit Microsoft's, Corel's, Slashdot's, and CNN's sites. What happens, they log my IPs, my browser information, my OS, and more. Yet you complain only about ID because they don't describe their actions clearly to end users.....WAIT A MOMENT...WHEN DO YOU SEE A DAMN USER READING ALL THE SPECS FOR THE HTTP PROTOCOL!!!
Really, grow up people. If you don't want information collected on you, you should cease to exist. By stepping outdoors people see you, that is collecting information. Did you give them permission? No....
by using a company's software product you also are given support, but support can not be given in full unless they can have information to help support you. ID's use of this is not bad, nor is not explaining it better, nor is the fact it was left out of the latest readme. It does not set stage for larger privacy invasions as it sends out information that is not harmful. Who cares whether or not they have video card information on you? They would have your IP address anyways, so they can always trace your IP back....is your video card going to hurt you that much.
(Oh, note to self, much of the Linux community does use old, cheap, half-assed computers....I guess a lot of you would be embarressed with your S3 Virge)
If you couldn't understand it in the documentation then you shouldn't have been using beta software. Infact, if you couldn't understand that much, you probably aren't using a Linux/UNIX based operating system, and if you are, you are probably having a lot of people help you use it cause you don't have enough knowlage to make it work.
Well, i actually think it is a good thing. If spammers see the reaction slashdotters have had and think they will get killed by a raging group of Linux guru's, they may think again.
Think about it,/. has formed the basis of a very tight group of people who seem to get into fights alot, it could scare some people out of spam
And I beleive they had it after IBM and IBM alone. Everyone else copied MS after their mouse was successful.
And lets not forget, I've got a MS Mouse reference that is about 5 years old. Microsoft was the FIRST company to actually fit mouse electronics in a mouse, and the first to position the ball in the correct spot. Microsoft has innovated a lot in mouse hardware, lets give them credit for it. Their software may suck (ok, it sucks alot), but really, I use both the MS mice and keyboards and love them.
I myself have been writing my own kernel from scratch for a year (Actually 2, but i scrapped the previous, an NT clone, last January for a new design i came up with) I think you are correct when you mention documentation. Documentation is our only friend in the kernel writing field, without it you don't know how to control the hardware of a computer. Infact, you may see a lot more people making alternative operating systems from scratch. Why? I can pull down a list of every peice of hardware in my machine and how to program for it with in a few minutes flat from the Internet for free. Information is the key to getting an OS developed. The better the information, the easier it is to develop for the hardware. Hence, the lack of support for PPC hardware as Apple doesn't like to give out this information. -Dan Guisinger Trinity Operating System Platform
I have never sat down to figure Linux out just because I have no time, just so much other shit to do, so all 5 of my machines have been running Win9x/2k (Not to mention, I don't like partitioning my drives).
Another positive is I just bought a new HD and I got a hard drive rack....now, who needs partitions ???:)
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No, the example given stated that the vendor is requested to load the site license disk image onto the machines in many cases. This would be several things: 1) Violation by the company 2) Assisted violation by the vendor 3) A good reason for it to be on the RFQ
Exactly, the items that use the most power in the PC are as follows:
1) LCD
2) Hard Drive
3) Memory
4) CD/DVD (If used sparingly, otherwise higher up)
5) CPU
Remember, the CPU will sleep and shut down portions on HLT instructions, memory is always going.
Plus, code morphing just isnt fast.....I dont want my programs to run faster the more i use them, I want them to run fast everytime. And the fact that it caches translated code in main memory....oh great, I thought shared video memory took too many precious resources from systems!
Viewing the page is different than poking around in the computer after the crime. He left logs of actions of port scans, of ftp logins, of DNS zone transfers.
Now I will ask you this, how many people will actually do those activities on a server that they do not own, for the purpose of "just looking". I'm sorry, but 99% of the time, it is a hack in processes.
As someone else mentioned, its like not just viewing a crime scene, but crossing the yellow tape. Whether or not he did the original crime, tampering with what may have been used to cause it, which then resulting in his IP in the logs, could easily be found as either a hacker looking back over his work, or, how about this: Tampering with evidence. By adding hack-like activity to server log, which is on a server being investigated, activity as such could be done to purposely fool investigators. If they decide to charge him on tampering with evidence, I would certainly support the government.
There is a definate line between looking at the page, and digging through the server. He definately crossed it, and whether an attack was carried out or not, if it appears an attack was in progress he can be arrested or sued, Sure, port scanning may not be illegal, but attempted breakins are. The line is very fine, infact its more or less decided by a 12 average citizens who know nothing about computers, who are given evidence that someone was snooping around inside the server. Guess what, 99 out of 100 times he would be convicted.
I'm sorry, just blatently bad decisions on his part. You people should get a reality check.
My Epson 900 works fine with Windows 2000. The Win2k generic Epson printer didnt work well, but when I got the official Epson drivers worked 100% of the time.
Last time I checked when you pay for a domain you do not buy the root server. The domain system that is used is only one of many.......if you want to own them, setup your own root level server. The Root Server and all domains on it are property of the server's owner.
Just because your root server is ignored by the world isnt my fault, the other root server's organization's fault, or anyone elses.......
Grow up, the DNS system in my opinion is outdated and should be replaced by a better directory service......but stop complaining, you do not own it.......you pay for them to set it up and maintain the service........
Remember, it was once free when demand was very low......once the damand dictacted hiring hundreds of people to manage domains and the equipment, they needed to charge money.
What? Not ship beta with a distro?
But then you would be with out Linux wouldnt you?
Definition of Distro: Unstable beta software bundled in a package.
You have to have an NDA to access that information like I have....it wasnt too hard to get.....
I will start OpenIL, but I know next to nothing of linux programming so I would need some people who wish to program for Linux.....
Anyone wishing to take part, e-mail me below!
Dan Guisinger
d.guisinger@qwlsoft.com
I reported this 2 weeks ago when I got notification from E-Machines that it was being discontinued.....why is it I find I am always ignored by the people who run Slashdot?
I found out that MS blocked all this while I was on the Win2k beta program......its all been implimented already for the protection of their network. (Yes, I occassionally did bother to read their newsgroups....amazing huh?)
Actually, the Windows task bar has roots in Microsoft Windows 1.0 (Which you can find and download on the net). In Windows 1.0, any application that was not in use, was minimized to the bottom of the screen as an icon on the desktop. You may say thats like Windows 3.x, but I would disagree, because in Windows 1.0, you could not cover that up! In Win 1.0 you always had the task icons at the bottom of the screen and always knew where to switch back and forth between programs at.
Microsoft Windows - Behold the Power of Swiss Cheese
Really? With Windows 2000 it is cmd.exe for the command prompt...you sure you have the correct file? -Dan
To make Quake run on slow networks and modems it had to make trade offs...saying these wouldn't have existed if open source is bullshit. People would have just taken advantage of it earlier on. What really irks me is he just try's to push open source for everything. Its his own agenda. He is famous, he likes the attention. Multiplayer games should NOT be open source for this reason. Think about it, even if you let the server decide everything, you still need to send actions (Move forward, etc) to the server....this can be sent the wrong way, so with a minimal client you still could crack the game. Whats the advantage of closed source? Easier to PREVENT major hacking and cheating groups. So what if one person hacks it? Its a lot better than the hundreds if not thousands doing it right now. ESR should pull his head out of his ass and realize or atleast tell his faithful followers that not everything is nessecarly a good thing to open up, or if so, maybe the Quake graphics engine should have been all....
This can easily be done in my opinion. Build the case from plexy glass or other plastic materials....make sure the power supply is inside along with some copper tubing for your cooling system as you are going to need to liquid cool if you aren't going to have air flow. Next, you need to bring the cooling tubes out of the case and build a radiator with some fans blowing across it....this part doesn't have to be very protected from the elements....then paint the thing with liquid rubber of sorts to seal it. Of course, an easier solution would be to go to a company like Fibertron....they sell several outdoor cabinets used for fiber optics equipment which are sealed from the elements. Another option would be get a tube that the computer can fit in (would have to be rather big, y/n? hehe), cap the top and mount the board at the top...run all cables out the bottom and give a few feet of extra space at the bottom...chances that the elements easily find their way up that is much less and its a very inexpensive route. -Dan Guisinger
Do you happen to have a web page for your company?
You guys gripe and complain about everything, and you know what, slashdot is becoming less popular with myself and others because of it.
Here is how your logic plays out:
IE/Netscape can send User Agent Strings because it is documented in the standard and in 3rd party books.
Most users who browse the internet do not know about this, just as they don't know about Q3 sending **considerably less information** to ID Software.
Lets add this to the pot to make it boil. From your logic, it becomes OK if someone who writes a book on making levels for Quake III mentions in their book that Quake III reports that information.
Face it, its not going to stop. People are collecting information all the time. Since when has your browser asked you if you wanted it to send a User Agent string?
-Dan
BTW, my assement of an average linux machine is based off my experience that many linux users are teenagers w/o the money to spend on the hardware they need to run Windows efficiently, but is usually good enough to run linux at very decent speeds.
Lol...I expected to hear about that rant :)
(Although not so quickly)
The fact is that most likely a user who does know enough about it will be the one who cares and disables it
The user who doesn't know about it will ignore it and wouldn't care anyways.Its not personal information, its a video card for heaven sake! Its not giving out their SSN and it results in better support for them!
-Dan
It comes time that people should realize that if they don't want anyone to know anything about them, they should shrivel up and die....
(Actually, that wouldn't work, there are still records of even that)
Personally, I am glad that you collect information on my machine. If it didn't run on my machine, I'd be pretty pissed if it was a result from you thinking that there was lack of a reason to support my machine.
Who cares if you log that? Its not my phone number, my email address, or my name. And to those who complain that you could trace back the IP address to who your ISP is and ask them for your name, all I can say is DUH! I visit Microsoft's, Corel's, Slashdot's, and CNN's sites. What happens, they log my IPs, my browser information, my OS, and more. Yet you complain only about ID because they don't describe their actions clearly to end users.....WAIT A MOMENT...WHEN DO YOU SEE A DAMN USER READING ALL THE SPECS FOR THE HTTP PROTOCOL!!!
Really, grow up people.
If you don't want information collected on you, you should cease to exist. By stepping outdoors people see you, that is collecting information. Did you give them permission? No....
by using a company's software product you also are given support, but support can not be given in full unless they can have information to help support you. ID's use of this is not bad, nor is not explaining it better, nor is the fact it was left out of the latest readme. It does not set stage for larger privacy invasions as it sends out information that is not harmful. Who cares whether or not they have video card information on you? They would have your IP address anyways, so they can always trace your IP back....is your video card going to hurt you that much.
(Oh, note to self, much of the Linux community does use old, cheap, half-assed computers....I guess a lot of you would be embarressed with your S3 Virge)
-Dan Guisinger
If you couldn't understand it in the documentation then you shouldn't have been using beta software. Infact, if you couldn't understand that much, you probably aren't using a Linux/UNIX based operating system, and if you are, you are probably having a lot of people help you use it cause you don't have enough knowlage to make it work.
Well, i actually think it is a good thing.
/. has formed the basis of a very tight group of people who seem to get into fights alot, it could scare some people out of spam
If spammers see the reaction slashdotters have had and think they will get killed by a raging group of Linux guru's, they may think again.
Think about it,
And I beleive they had it after IBM and IBM alone.
Everyone else copied MS after their mouse was successful.
And lets not forget, I've got a MS Mouse reference that is about 5 years old. Microsoft was the FIRST company to actually fit mouse electronics in a mouse, and the first to position the ball in the correct spot. Microsoft has innovated a lot in mouse hardware, lets give them credit for it. Their software may suck (ok, it sucks alot), but really, I use both the MS mice and keyboards and love them.
I myself have been writing my own kernel from scratch for a year (Actually 2, but i scrapped the previous, an NT clone, last January for a new design i came up with) I think you are correct when you mention documentation. Documentation is our only friend in the kernel writing field, without it you don't know how to control the hardware of a computer. Infact, you may see a lot more people making alternative operating systems from scratch. Why? I can pull down a list of every peice of hardware in my machine and how to program for it with in a few minutes flat from the Internet for free. Information is the key to getting an OS developed. The better the information, the easier it is to develop for the hardware. Hence, the lack of support for PPC hardware as Apple doesn't like to give out this information. -Dan Guisinger Trinity Operating System Platform
Gee, then maybe its for me :)
:)
I have never sat down to figure Linux out just because I have no time, just so much other shit to do, so all 5 of my machines have been running Win9x/2k (Not to mention, I don't like partitioning my drives).
Another positive is I just bought a new HD and I got a hard drive rack....now, who needs partitions ???
I beleive it has to do with Corel targetting the home users not geeks.....
i.e. easy to install, better interface, etc