Security is unnecessary for the elected government of a superpower nation with a nuclear arsenal and complex diplomatic endeavours, but it's absolutely essential for making sure you don't have to have a conversation with your grandmother about your desire to get shitfaced.
Well, maybe if I could make it a little more concise.
You were really going for the signature quote, weren't you?:)
Not so idiotic to many here. They'll just argue that their communications are private, and that an elected government's private communications (further classified as secret) should be public.
Security is unnecessary for the elected government of a superpower nation with a nuclear arsenal and complex diplomatic endeavours, but it's absolutely essential for making sure you don't have to have a conversation with your grandmother about your desire to get shitfaced.
Meh, information wants to be free. It's not like your personal communications will harm the world. Why aren't you just being open and honest to begin with?
No, I don't think he was suggesting that YouTube could take down the government. I think he was suggesting that blocking Italians from YouTube could cause complaints that could force a review of the policies.
However, worse crimes are done by US Officials and the judicial system does nearly nothing about it. I wonder which state is actually more democratic right now.
This is the kind of mind-blowing stupidity that make me lose all hope for humanity.
The part I missed, apparently, is THE FUCKING OIL! Where the fuck is my oil? Even the US military is paying more for gas. I know I am. Show me where this oil is going and I will be quite indebted.
Germany was ready for democracy, but it took western powers to deal with that tyrant
Okay, I'm inclined to agree with you. But not in the case of Japan. They worshipped their emperor as a god - to the extent that we had to allow the emperor to retain his figurehead status as a practical matter.
Because you cannot bring about Democracy by force. Either the people are ready for it or they are not, and the single best test of "are they ready" is that they overthrow the tyrant (bonus points for NOT filling him full of holes, but trying him in a civilized manner)
Perhaps you can't bring democracy by force, but you can prepare them for it, as the UK proved in India and Hong Kong. We'll have to watch Iraq to see if the original premise is proved false or not.
Well, wait. If we consider the cases of Germany and Japan, actually, they prove pretty definitively that you can bring democracy as a result of bringing force.
Unless you meant to throw a "hasn't" in there somewhere. In which case would the relevant Western power still be decent?
I think he did, and yes it would. Better though, if it could be done via fair elections. But that was the original problem. The next step would be to bring them about through the pressures brought by sanctions by other nations. But thanks to the leak, that will not now be possible.
The question then becomes, what are the next steps? They're likely to be less pleasant for all.
The US condemns Iran for their nuclear program. While the US is the only country idiotic and barbaric enough to not only drop 1, but 2 of them. On major cities.
Watch HBO's The Pacific miniseries and get back to me on the issues of idiocy and barbarity.
That's bullshit, Assange himself said on numerous occasions that he does think that governments, like any large organizations, do need to have secrets.
Good. Maybe he'll stop leaking them now. But I won't hold my breath.
Or maybe he'll only leak the ones that *he* judges are important.
But he doesn't seem to be exercising a lot of descretion in these releases. I wonder if he might not always be completely truthful.
Exactly which part of 'turns into' did you not understand?
The thing is that everything turns into feudalism when we let it. A little bit of disruption and anarchy is how you avoid that. Show the authoritarians that nothing lasts forever, least of all their power.
'We' did all that back in 1776, except without the anarchy part. Instead, some very smart and respected people got together to devise a means of self government through elected representatives of the people.
We can punish these authoritarians by voting them out of office. It's actually a pretty good system, though far from perfect.
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DO NOT TRUST A CORPORATION!
A corollary would be DO NOT TRUST A STRANGER!. It would be just as apt.
Honestly, why would anyone?
Because we know more about Walmart than we do about 'Bob's Used Cars'.
They are out for the profit line and nothing else.
And Bob is not?
They are nothing like a real company that is ran by the guy or gal that started it and is chasing a dream...
Bob is chasing money.
We need to stop thinking they are in any way benevolent.
It appears you already have.
Walmart gives away basic medications because it PROFITS THEM. Companies donate to causes because it Gains them more profit in advertising.
And people get free meds for ads. Like we get free web searches from Google for ads.
Security is unnecessary for the elected government of a superpower nation with a nuclear arsenal and complex diplomatic endeavours, but it's absolutely essential for making sure you don't have to have a conversation with your grandmother about your desire to get shitfaced.
Well, maybe if I could make it a little more concise.
You were really going for the signature quote, weren't you? :)
Google responds to these claims with "you're holding it wrong."
I think what's happening here is that data meant for the 'bit bucket' is falling out through the antenna.
Not so idiotic to many here. They'll just argue that their communications are private, and that an elected government's private communications (further classified as secret) should be public.
Security is unnecessary for the elected government of a superpower nation with a nuclear arsenal and complex diplomatic endeavours, but it's absolutely essential for making sure you don't have to have a conversation with your grandmother about your desire to get shitfaced.
Meh, information wants to be free. It's not like your personal communications will harm the world. Why aren't you just being open and honest to begin with?
How can you claim that there isn't a lot of discretion with the leaked documents?
Sarkozy chasing a rabbit? Really?
[Citation Needed]
Which is tantamount to Google effectively triggering a no-confidence vote by the populace.
No it isn't. Whining != Insurrection. Response to whining != capitulation.
Sure it would only be a minor hiccup in a very stable democracy, but in the case of Italy such an action could result in the government crashing down.
Berlusconi is the longest serving head of state of any of the G8, fer chrissakes.
Given the persuasiveness of the Internet it could be possible for a company the size of Google to isolate a country.
The internet doesn't have any inherent persuasiveness. Not any more than radio waves.
No, I don't think he was suggesting that YouTube could take down the government. I think he was suggesting that blocking Italians from YouTube could cause complaints that could force a review of the policies.
Do you think the oil never surfaces? We should see an effect somewhere. Where do you see it?
Both Germany and Japan had some amount of democracy before WW2. So it proves nothing.
I appreciate your interest, but not your education.
I have used all of the above as well as the vaunted wikipedia device.
I have yet to see where the US brought him to power.
If they people don't want it, then it's not our business to subvert a leader ion their own nation
But what if they want it and that Mugabe is having the opposition arrested and/or killed?
However, worse crimes are done by US Officials and the judicial system does nearly nothing about it. I wonder which state is actually more democratic right now.
This is the kind of mind-blowing stupidity that make me lose all hope for humanity.
Indeed. Luckily, the world is not Slashdot.
And now that Saddam is gone, Iraq is enjoying democracy in all its glory? I seem to have missed that happening.
And had you been around in 1780, or 1860, you would have missed that as well.
We caught hell for that because we put Saddam in power...
[Citation Needed]
The part I missed, apparently, is THE FUCKING OIL! Where the fuck is my oil? Even the US military is paying more for gas. I know I am. Show me where this oil is going and I will be quite indebted.
Germany was ready for democracy, but it took western powers to deal with that tyrant
Okay, I'm inclined to agree with you. But not in the case of Japan. They worshipped their emperor as a god - to the extent that we had to allow the emperor to retain his figurehead status as a practical matter.
Because you cannot bring about Democracy by force. Either the people are ready for it or they are not, and the single best test of "are they ready" is that they overthrow the tyrant (bonus points for NOT filling him full of holes, but trying him in a civilized manner)
Perhaps you can't bring democracy by force, but you can prepare them for it, as the UK proved in India and Hong Kong. We'll have to watch Iraq to see if the original premise is proved false or not.
Well, wait. If we consider the cases of Germany and Japan, actually, they prove pretty definitively that you can bring democracy as a result of bringing force.
That is one robust politician...
Unless you meant to throw a "hasn't" in there somewhere. In which case would the relevant Western power still be decent?
I think he did, and yes it would. Better though, if it could be done via fair elections. But that was the original problem. The next step would be to bring them about through the pressures brought by sanctions by other nations. But thanks to the leak, that will not now be possible.
The question then becomes, what are the next steps? They're likely to be less pleasant for all.
The US condemns Iran for their nuclear program. While the US is the only country idiotic and barbaric enough to not only drop 1, but 2 of them. On major cities.
Watch HBO's The Pacific miniseries and get back to me on the issues of idiocy and barbarity.
We were trying to stay out of that fucking war.
Except Bush instructed his staff to simply ignore all FOIA requests. What do you do then?
Go to court. This has all been thought out by some pretty smart people.
That's bullshit, Assange himself said on numerous occasions that he does think that governments, like any large organizations, do need to have secrets.
Good. Maybe he'll stop leaking them now. But I won't hold my breath.
Or maybe he'll only leak the ones that *he* judges are important.
But he doesn't seem to be exercising a lot of descretion in these releases. I wonder if he might not always be completely truthful.
Anarchy turns into fuedalism...
Then it's not anarchy, is it?
Exactly which part of 'turns into' did you not understand?
The thing is that everything turns into feudalism when we let it. A little bit of disruption and anarchy is how you avoid that. Show the authoritarians that nothing lasts forever, least of all their power.
'We' did all that back in 1776, except without the anarchy part. Instead, some very smart and respected people got together to devise a means of self government through elected representatives of the people.
We can punish these authoritarians by voting them out of office. It's actually a pretty good system, though far from perfect.
As much as I might disagree our Current president's policies, referring to him as an overlord is laughable.
But I'd love to hear about this technology that would allow us to govern ourselves. Is it made by Diebold?