U tend to overlock the fact, PGL or not - softwarehouses steals from eachother.. u remember the MS-Dos 6.0 thing with MS vs Norton and Stacker ?
Just to refresh u - MS stole the Defrag, and Stacker program from them... MS was forced by law to pay for the "thieft" - and pays still.. U think thats first time MS steals ? - u think its last? - u think theyre alone about stealing ?
PGL ? - nice thought - but in the modern world - a piece of paper which does nothing but trouble, for those ppl that in this case tries to do something for alot of ppl..
I do more then whine - i handle the situation.. In the leagues i lead, by forming LRG - and LRGs daily work, by getting (or try) Europian and USA-leagues to take steps.. vs the cheaters, either by rules, or implanting countersteps, control software etc... By talking, and contacting serveradmins of big public servers, by operate certain servers, among this - for a a period - waveguide - which according to TheCLQ was one of USA's biggest servers.. i do more then whine.. but - i cant remember ive ever seen ure name popup in the debate regarding cheating/counter-cheating in STA, TvT, STFL, IGL, IMTFL or similar leagues.. Neiter do i find u on the roster of LRG or QSA... And about cracking Quake - right - try again.. The first radar ffirst showed at QW late version in 97 - considering that QW was pretty old at that time... besides - 99% of the crachs that was out - didnt work, or worked poorly - today - both radars, speedcheats, etc works great.. now the cheaters dont have to guess - now they got not only access to the Q-source - they also get the source to the QL - because of GPL... but question are - maybe ure a cheater - since u think its such a great idea to send out the source to everything, and know when the cheats emerged ?!?!? I so far havent meet many ppl - whom except for defending PGL found JC's attacks on Slade as a good idea..
Oh - and dont give me any BS about me contributing.. i had for long time been involved in 25-50% of most stuff in Mega TF (LRG, DetPipe, IMTFL, TPL), and in NTF (AKA Regular TF) - by beeing co-cordinator in ITFL, and helping out in TvT..
BUt - lets turn the question.. What has YOU done to contribute in youre community ?!
Namely - its very nice with GPL, open source, etc..
That Its very nice John want to support cheaters - thats his deal - and his right... but - lets look of what he done, and its consequenses instad of the very nice, but bottomline - totally unintersting part about GPL me this and that.. GPL doesnt help the cheater or anticheater - it has no impact on the game..
What HAS impact is that JC released source - now every damn cheater are running around damaging the game.. seen from the game-side - its hurting Quake - ALOT - because - ppl whom before maybe would consider to play it for 1-2 years - now leaves, especially after the guy with aimbot, hacked QW, and speedcheating messed him up...
Along come slade, and others - wanna preserving the game, and the fun playing it.. and all u can focus on are - he violates the GPL - well - ppl - its a easy choose - F*ck the game, or f*ck GPL... For u NOT playing it - then i understand why u think GPL are more importent.. but if u ARE playing it - then all u get out of enforcing GPL - is that QL and others might aswell shut down, u might aswell admit - u and JC - are RESPONSIBLE for cheaters destryoing the game.. because U forces him to deliver every manhour, everything he has done to preserve the game... Maybe JC and ID made the game - but bottomline - we dont play it - Q is dead.. and i know alot of ppl, and more considering it - whom are leaving, or will leave Q and all its mods because of cheating.. JC maybe released the source - but 100000s of ppl are hurt by it.. and theyre hurt every day... clans, leagues, guilds are affected of cheating.. so - whom u support - the cheaters, or the ppl actully trying to help out the 100000s of players whom wanna play Quake - without having to worry about a 100 mp/h speedcheater, coming racing, with godmode, hacked walls etc.. the thought of GPL is nice - but in this case - its precidense.. do we wanna be sure, that games even if sourcecode are released can be made safe by others, or do we wanna say to the community - when source code is released - the community are doomed to death...
Well, its all youre call, and especially JC's... Whats its gonna be.. support the cheaters - and dooming the game to death, or support the ppl trying to make the game fun again...
Try consider that, when ure discussing GPL me this and that.. - its more then just about GPL - its about the future of this, and coming games where sourcecode are released..
- Tiger Clan Leader Task Force Tiger (Worlds biggest NTF/MTF/TFC/CS-clan) x-Coordinator International Mega Team Fortress League Founder League Referees Guild Founder Guild DetPipe Staff Member Team Pro League LRG Senior Referee Leader of Danish National Team - MTF Coordinator Worldchampionship 2000 for national teams - MTF Member of guilds: QMA,.x..D *SB*
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U tend to overlock the fact, PGL or not - softwarehouses steals from eachother.. u remember the MS-Dos 6.0 thing with MS vs Norton and Stacker ?
Just to refresh u - MS stole the Defrag, and Stacker program from them... MS was forced by law to pay for the "thieft" - and pays still..
U think thats first time MS steals ? - u think its last? - u think theyre alone about stealing ?
PGL ? - nice thought - but in the modern world - a piece of paper which does nothing but trouble, for those ppl that in this case tries to do something for alot of ppl..
- Tiger
The difference is that i know that ppl gives a damn - and i know that for ppl ure nothing but a unknown guy posting a message, saying nothing..
Go play with youre aimbot..
- Tiger
I do more then whine - i handle the situation..
In the leagues i lead, by forming LRG - and LRGs
daily work, by getting (or try) Europian and USA-leagues to take steps.. vs the cheaters, either by rules, or implanting countersteps, control software etc...
By talking, and contacting serveradmins of big public servers, by operate certain servers, among this - for a a period - waveguide - which according to TheCLQ was one of USA's biggest servers.. i do more then whine.. but - i cant remember ive ever seen ure name popup in the debate regarding cheating/counter-cheating in STA, TvT, STFL, IGL, IMTFL or similar leagues..
Neiter do i find u on the roster of LRG or QSA...
And about cracking Quake - right - try again.. The first radar ffirst showed at QW late version in 97 - considering that QW was pretty old at that time... besides - 99% of the crachs that was out - didnt work, or worked poorly - today - both radars, speedcheats, etc works great.. now the cheaters dont have to guess - now they got not only access to the Q-source - they also get the source to the QL - because of GPL... but question are - maybe ure a cheater - since u think its such a great idea to send out the source to everything, and know when the cheats emerged ?!?!?
I so far havent meet many ppl - whom except for defending PGL found JC's attacks on Slade as a good idea..
Oh - and dont give me any BS about me contributing.. i had for long time been involved in 25-50% of most stuff in Mega TF (LRG, DetPipe, IMTFL, TPL), and in NTF (AKA Regular TF) - by beeing co-cordinator in ITFL, and helping out in TvT..
BUt - lets turn the question.. What has YOU done to contribute in youre community ?!
- Tiger
Namely - its very nice with GPL, open source, etc..
.x. .D *SB*
That Its very nice John want to support cheaters - thats his deal - and his right... but - lets look of what he done, and its consequenses instad of the very nice, but bottomline - totally unintersting part about GPL me this and that.. GPL doesnt help the cheater or anticheater - it has no impact on the game..
What HAS impact is that JC released source - now every damn cheater are running around damaging the game.. seen from the game-side - its hurting Quake - ALOT - because - ppl whom before maybe would consider to play it for 1-2 years - now leaves, especially after the guy with aimbot, hacked QW, and speedcheating messed him up...
Along come slade, and others - wanna preserving the game, and the fun playing it.. and all u can focus on are - he violates the GPL - well - ppl - its a easy choose - F*ck the game, or f*ck GPL...
For u NOT playing it - then i understand why u think GPL are more importent.. but if u ARE playing it - then all u get out of enforcing GPL - is that QL and others might aswell shut down, u might aswell admit - u and JC - are RESPONSIBLE for cheaters destryoing the game.. because U forces him to deliver every manhour, everything he has done to preserve the game... Maybe JC and ID made the game - but bottomline - we dont play it - Q is dead.. and i know alot of ppl, and more considering it - whom are leaving, or will leave Q and all its mods because of cheating.. JC maybe released the source - but 100000s of ppl are hurt by it.. and theyre hurt every day... clans, leagues, guilds are affected of cheating.. so - whom u support - the cheaters, or the ppl actully trying to help out the 100000s of players whom wanna play Quake - without having to worry about a 100 mp/h speedcheater, coming racing, with godmode, hacked walls etc.. the thought of GPL is nice - but in this case - its precidense.. do we wanna be sure, that games even if sourcecode are released can be made safe by others, or do we wanna say to the community - when source code is released - the community are doomed to death...
Well, its all youre call, and especially JC's...
Whats its gonna be.. support the cheaters - and dooming the game to death, or support the ppl trying to make the game fun again...
Try consider that, when ure discussing GPL me this and that.. - its more then just about GPL - its about the future of this, and coming games where sourcecode are released..
- Tiger
Clan Leader Task Force Tiger (Worlds biggest NTF/MTF/TFC/CS-clan)
x-Coordinator International Mega Team Fortress League
Founder League Referees Guild
Founder Guild DetPipe
Staff Member Team Pro League
LRG Senior Referee
Leader of Danish National Team - MTF
Coordinator Worldchampionship 2000 for national teams - MTF
Member of guilds: QMA,