I wouldn't have second thoughts about telling anyone I work with the truth and in the same respect I would want them to tell me the truth. I don't care if I'm talking to an employee who's been working at a company for 50 years, if your work is bad it's bad and you need to hear it. Nothing gets resolved when everyone is nice and not to polite to just tell people what they think. This could be just me but I think a team works better in school and real life when coworkers can tell each other whats on there mind, if my coworker wanted to tell me where to stick my work then I would ask why and see what I can do to fix the the problem.
Coding practices help you write nice, readable and maintainable code, with clean code you can work on securing it. Security in code is entirely a career in it's own right, it depends on the platform, the language, the protocols and more. So the first step is to make the code clean and maintainable, then you secure it, but don't group both together, you need the abstraction layer.
I would be honest, tell him his work sucks. I had a similar issue with a classmate last year, I couldn't use any of his code or hardware. Every time I hinted at his work being bad but in a nice way he laughed and disregarded it. Finally after my prof saw his work and asked me to explain it to him I couldn't, I called my co student aside before he left and was blunt. "Your work is worse then a child playing in a coloring book, clean it up or get off my project", he yelled at me and walked away, the next week when he handed his work to me it was 300% better and by the end of the term it was finally decent. I would just be honest.
I wouldn't call you stupid for attempting a PhD, that takes a pretty advanced level of applied knowledge to even attempt. You also mentioned being a math teacher as opposed to teaching every single class. I'm not talking about one class teachers ( or those that teach a few ). If you teach Math then your going to be extreme good at Math and hence if your asked a math question you should be able to answer it. Just like if you teach science you should be able to answer any science question thrown at you.
The teachers I'm talking about the kind that teach every class in for the year so the same teacher does Math, Science, History and etc... If a math teacher can answer any kind of math question (in theory) then a multi focus teacher should be able to also, they need to understand each subject as well as a single subject teacher and at the same time evolve to handle any question thrown at them by a student.
Just to be clear, messing up a solution is not the same as understanding how to answer a question about a subject. You can make a software bug but that doesn't mean you can't program, or you can forget to carry a 1 but that doesn't mean you don't have a PhD in math.
I've admitted several times I don't mean to bash the good teachers, I just haven't had the experience of these good teachers, I certainly don't want to make it seem like 100% of all teachers are horrible.
I can admit my English isn't great, I know it's not but that doesn't effect my job. ( On a side note my teachers could never over come my learning disability or actually they get -1 for that ).
I don't currently make 180k a year, I make more then 90k but not twice as much, I also work more then twice as hard and have to apply active thinking + hands on skill constantly.
I don't know where you live but at least in Waterloo Region, Ontario Canada teachers are NOT required to get a Master degree, in fact I'm amazed most of them have ever a Bachelors degree. As for
Either your teachers were uniformly horrible
I'll glady admit that could be true, I can only talk about my localized experience with my public school system. I had a total of 8 teachers at the school I went to grades k-6 and 8. Grade 7 is an exception because I actually got moved to a private school because of the lack of capability of my teacher from grade 6. It is completely possible I had a number of bad teachers out of those 8.
My biggest year I think was grade 6 and we had 30 students. Also I don't make 180+ a year, so I don't make double, I make more but not double. In fact in grade 6 I failed an assignment in electrical class because the teacher didn't like my circuit, when in fact it was more correct then her's, she was missing an Op-amp which I figured out by using the online encyclopedic, something she would of noticed by even attempting to look up the circuit. There is a very simple way to make "people like me" not look down on teachers and that is to prove us wrong, however I still know the school I went to and I currently know who teachers there. I can tell you with 100% accuracy what your describing doesn't happen at least in regards to this school.
Also I did admit that I don't mean to bash the good teachers, if your one of them then I will tip my hat to you and admit that I was wrong at least regarding you as a teacher. I will not how ever offer a blanket apology to all the teachers because I know from experience that most of the teachers I've had aren't what you describe.
In fact I'll give you the address if you want it and you can go and view it for yourself, I'm not afraid to stand behind my view of where I had to go from grade k - 6 and 8, grade 7 I actually got sent to a private school because of the lack of teaching capability at the school, I outpaced my teacher in grade 6 and the school refused to let me skip the grade.
Okay but once you finish a grade you already know the information so for someone to go back and teach grade 8 level math they need only to have finished grade 8, then they know ( or should know ) the information. So hence when someone is done university they should be more then capable of going back and teaching grade school.
I'm going to leave high school out of this because all my teachers in high school had Masters degree's in there respective fields. A high school teacher, usually only teachers one or two classes and they are literally masters in those fields.
I've been to both private and public school and private out paced public 3 billion times over, so really I'm talking about public school. When I went to high school / private school I could ask a question and get an answer. If I wanted to learn C I could go ask the computer teacher and learn C, If I wanted to learn Web Development I could go to the same teacher. If I wanted to learn physics ( In grade 8 I did ) I could go ask the science teacher. When I went back to public school if I wanted to learn C I was told to sit down because the teacher had no clue. If I wanted an explanation on how light travels around black holes I was told to sit down because the teacher had no clue, if I asked that same question at my private school the teacher would go home, learn the concept and the next day explain it to me.
I can absolutely hold the public school system to the same standard as my private school. The teachers exist, I know they exist, I've had them teach me, so why then has any public school experience only included teachers who are brain dead? Private schools ( at least the one I was in ), require teachers to be always cutting edge of education / knowledge, my high school required the same thing, yet my public grade school didn't so why not!
Well you might be the exception to the rule then, my teachers were dumb as dog shit. I would of fired each one of them. Homework for us was do these question #'s from the book, as for marking, we'll take it up in class the next day. The tests were the same year to year as they never updated them and most of them used notes take from binders which were the same year to year. So well I certainly don't mean to single the good teachers in the crowd out I have personally have yet to meet any.
As for keeping on top of information I certainly can expect that, as an Embedded Engineer I can't let one day go by with out stepping my skills and knowledge up, it's what I don't know today that will kill my market chance tomorrow. If I have to work 12+ hours a day when I factor in office time and certifications then I can 100% expect teachers to put the same effort in.
I'm not joking when I say that my grade school teachers maybe put in a 8 - 3:30 day, class started at 9 so most of them put in a 8:45 ; 3:15 day including a hour lunch and two 15 minute recess brakes so take another hour and 1/2 off. So at best my teachers put in a 6 and 1/2 hour day, 1/2 of what I currently work.
I think I can expect a teacher to be an expert in everything. A teachers knowledge should evolve greater or on par with the students. If the school is coming off like a jail then there is an issue that needs to dealt with, a teacher should make the classroom fun and interesting, they should do this to engage the students, when they can't they aren't doing there jobs. A teacher who reads from a textbook and assigns assignments like a robot is no better then the textbook. When you think about it, a textbook doesn't evolve, it doesn't learn and it can spew information out, a textbook does the same job as a teacher. We pay about $100 for a textbook yet pay a teacher 90+k a year so why? If a teacher isn't evolving faster then the student then I have no reason to keep them, I can buy some hundred dollar textbooks and do the same job. So again I have no soft heart for a teacher, they need to learn and learn all the time.
Teachers work less then students, a Teacher doesn't learn they just spew information out. A student needs to take the information in, understand it and develop an understanding. A teacher should of already done all of this and hence they are either learning new information which should be simpler or they're better defining existing information. Trust me I have no soft heart for teachers, they work 8 - 4 at most, they only teach information they already understand and they get to choose how much work they do and yes they complain about it. So hence when a teacher knows less then a student I really really just don't care, they should get out there and learn. The first time it happens it's an opportunity, the second it's inexcusable.
But they should have better computer skills then the students they teach. The point of a teacher is to teach and when the students can out pace them in an area it means they can't.
The teachers should of been able to figure out this Phish. Any time a student can up a teacher it means the teachers need training, this is a great example of how teachers are starting to leg behind there students.
This is the same state who threw out votes from African Americans, clearly Florida is just a Racist state. I think the state motto should be "White is right".
I think all teachers should take courses. If it were up to me every two years a grade school teacher would have to take tests which incompass's everything from K to 12 and if they get less then 90% they are fired instantly, with a chance for a redo only after 6 month.
Is this just because the playbook sales were horrible. In 5 years, given the current state of processing / memory power I think tablets will be very much integrated into our lives even more so. Currently I'm on a tablet for probably 1 - 2 hours a day because of it's connivance, if the processing power in tablets keep increasing then I think we can start to transition over to tablets for much of the work we do day to day. The tablet is the best of both worlds, it's in between a phone and computer, what you can't do on a phone and don't want to pull your notebook out for a tablet is prefect. I think Blackberry's CEO is just a little bit sad that his company just couldn't make a great selling tablet, although I will say that the Playbook physically is a good piece of hardware, if only it would of hit the shelves on time to be a contender.
I can respect the fact that Tim Lee wrote a basic language that works on the web but I don't think crediting him with the creation of the internet is fair. He helped and he his name should appear as one of the many creators but I'm sick of hearing how he created the internet. That would be like saying K&R created programming because they wrote C, they wrote a great language that progressed computer science but they just like Tim can't credited with creating the sole object.
Actually given the IT admin at the school I went to, throwing out the computers would of been the better option. This guy was pretty clueless, it took him three months to figure out how to reload command.com on a machine and install Windows, someone did a del *.*
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't afflicted with the D-G. So who is the bigger fool, the incompetent who gets paid like the competent, or the competent complainer who continues to work in an organization that can't distinguish them?
Good point! I would say the problem is the incompetent who gets the job in the first place. When I graduated there was a student in my class who couldn't design or program an Analog Digital Converter ( ATD ). He also could barely program C and ASM was a write off, yet he's making 70k a year sitting at an embedded developers job.
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I wouldn't have second thoughts about telling anyone I work with the truth and in the same respect I would want them to tell me the truth. I don't care if I'm talking to an employee who's been working at a company for 50 years, if your work is bad it's bad and you need to hear it. Nothing gets resolved when everyone is nice and not to polite to just tell people what they think. This could be just me but I think a team works better in school and real life when coworkers can tell each other whats on there mind, if my coworker wanted to tell me where to stick my work then I would ask why and see what I can do to fix the the problem.
Coding practices help you write nice, readable and maintainable code, with clean code you can work on securing it. Security in code is entirely a career in it's own right, it depends on the platform, the language, the protocols and more. So the first step is to make the code clean and maintainable, then you secure it, but don't group both together, you need the abstraction layer.
Is this why I feel stupid well playing Minecraft?
I would be honest, tell him his work sucks. I had a similar issue with a classmate last year, I couldn't use any of his code or hardware. Every time I hinted at his work being bad but in a nice way he laughed and disregarded it. Finally after my prof saw his work and asked me to explain it to him I couldn't, I called my co student aside before he left and was blunt. "Your work is worse then a child playing in a coloring book, clean it up or get off my project", he yelled at me and walked away, the next week when he handed his work to me it was 300% better and by the end of the term it was finally decent. I would just be honest.
Oh and at least up here in Waterloo Region, Ontario Canada the elementary school teachers top at 90k after a few years.
I wouldn't call you stupid for attempting a PhD, that takes a pretty advanced level of applied knowledge to even attempt. You also mentioned being a math teacher as opposed to teaching every single class. I'm not talking about one class teachers ( or those that teach a few ). If you teach Math then your going to be extreme good at Math and hence if your asked a math question you should be able to answer it. Just like if you teach science you should be able to answer any science question thrown at you.
The teachers I'm talking about the kind that teach every class in for the year so the same teacher does Math, Science, History and etc... If a math teacher can answer any kind of math question (in theory) then a multi focus teacher should be able to also, they need to understand each subject as well as a single subject teacher and at the same time evolve to handle any question thrown at them by a student.
Just to be clear, messing up a solution is not the same as understanding how to answer a question about a subject. You can make a software bug but that doesn't mean you can't program, or you can forget to carry a 1 but that doesn't mean you don't have a PhD in math.
I've admitted several times I don't mean to bash the good teachers, I just haven't had the experience of these good teachers, I certainly don't want to make it seem like 100% of all teachers are horrible.
I don't currently make 180k a year, I make more then 90k but not twice as much, I also work more then twice as hard and have to apply active thinking + hands on skill constantly.
I don't know where you live but at least in Waterloo Region, Ontario Canada teachers are NOT required to get a Master degree, in fact I'm amazed most of them have ever a Bachelors degree. As for
Either your teachers were uniformly horrible
I'll glady admit that could be true, I can only talk about my localized experience with my public school system. I had a total of 8 teachers at the school I went to grades k-6 and 8. Grade 7 is an exception because I actually got moved to a private school because of the lack of capability of my teacher from grade 6. It is completely possible I had a number of bad teachers out of those 8.
My biggest year I think was grade 6 and we had 30 students. Also I don't make 180+ a year, so I don't make double, I make more but not double. In fact in grade 6 I failed an assignment in electrical class because the teacher didn't like my circuit, when in fact it was more correct then her's, she was missing an Op-amp which I figured out by using the online encyclopedic, something she would of noticed by even attempting to look up the circuit. There is a very simple way to make "people like me" not look down on teachers and that is to prove us wrong, however I still know the school I went to and I currently know who teachers there. I can tell you with 100% accuracy what your describing doesn't happen at least in regards to this school.
Also I did admit that I don't mean to bash the good teachers, if your one of them then I will tip my hat to you and admit that I was wrong at least regarding you as a teacher. I will not how ever offer a blanket apology to all the teachers because I know from experience that most of the teachers I've had aren't what you describe.
In fact I'll give you the address if you want it and you can go and view it for yourself, I'm not afraid to stand behind my view of where I had to go from grade k - 6 and 8, grade 7 I actually got sent to a private school because of the lack of teaching capability at the school, I outpaced my teacher in grade 6 and the school refused to let me skip the grade.
Okay but once you finish a grade you already know the information so for someone to go back and teach grade 8 level math they need only to have finished grade 8, then they know ( or should know ) the information. So hence when someone is done university they should be more then capable of going back and teaching grade school.
I'm going to leave high school out of this because all my teachers in high school had Masters degree's in there respective fields. A high school teacher, usually only teachers one or two classes and they are literally masters in those fields.
I've been to both private and public school and private out paced public 3 billion times over, so really I'm talking about public school. When I went to high school / private school I could ask a question and get an answer. If I wanted to learn C I could go ask the computer teacher and learn C, If I wanted to learn Web Development I could go to the same teacher. If I wanted to learn physics ( In grade 8 I did ) I could go ask the science teacher. When I went back to public school if I wanted to learn C I was told to sit down because the teacher had no clue. If I wanted an explanation on how light travels around black holes I was told to sit down because the teacher had no clue, if I asked that same question at my private school the teacher would go home, learn the concept and the next day explain it to me.
I can absolutely hold the public school system to the same standard as my private school. The teachers exist, I know they exist, I've had them teach me, so why then has any public school experience only included teachers who are brain dead? Private schools ( at least the one I was in ), require teachers to be always cutting edge of education / knowledge, my high school required the same thing, yet my public grade school didn't so why not!
Well you might be the exception to the rule then, my teachers were dumb as dog shit. I would of fired each one of them. Homework for us was do these question #'s from the book, as for marking, we'll take it up in class the next day. The tests were the same year to year as they never updated them and most of them used notes take from binders which were the same year to year. So well I certainly don't mean to single the good teachers in the crowd out I have personally have yet to meet any.
As for keeping on top of information I certainly can expect that, as an Embedded Engineer I can't let one day go by with out stepping my skills and knowledge up, it's what I don't know today that will kill my market chance tomorrow. If I have to work 12+ hours a day when I factor in office time and certifications then I can 100% expect teachers to put the same effort in.
I'm not joking when I say that my grade school teachers maybe put in a 8 - 3:30 day, class started at 9 so most of them put in a 8:45 ; 3:15 day including a hour lunch and two 15 minute recess brakes so take another hour and 1/2 off. So at best my teachers put in a 6 and 1/2 hour day, 1/2 of what I currently work.
I'm not arguing that, the first time anything happens it's an opportunity for learning to take place, the second time it's inexcusable.
I think I can expect a teacher to be an expert in everything. A teachers knowledge should evolve greater or on par with the students. If the school is coming off like a jail then there is an issue that needs to dealt with, a teacher should make the classroom fun and interesting, they should do this to engage the students, when they can't they aren't doing there jobs. A teacher who reads from a textbook and assigns assignments like a robot is no better then the textbook. When you think about it, a textbook doesn't evolve, it doesn't learn and it can spew information out, a textbook does the same job as a teacher. We pay about $100 for a textbook yet pay a teacher 90+k a year so why? If a teacher isn't evolving faster then the student then I have no reason to keep them, I can buy some hundred dollar textbooks and do the same job. So again I have no soft heart for a teacher, they need to learn and learn all the time.
Teachers work less then students, a Teacher doesn't learn they just spew information out. A student needs to take the information in, understand it and develop an understanding. A teacher should of already done all of this and hence they are either learning new information which should be simpler or they're better defining existing information. Trust me I have no soft heart for teachers, they work 8 - 4 at most, they only teach information they already understand and they get to choose how much work they do and yes they complain about it. So hence when a teacher knows less then a student I really really just don't care, they should get out there and learn. The first time it happens it's an opportunity, the second it's inexcusable.
Yes, If your a grade school teacher, teaching a class of students and they can top you in ANY SUBJECT then you need to bulk up.
But they should have better computer skills then the students they teach. The point of a teacher is to teach and when the students can out pace them in an area it means they can't.
The teachers should of been able to figure out this Phish. Any time a student can up a teacher it means the teachers need training, this is a great example of how teachers are starting to leg behind there students.
Wow that is kind of appalling.
This is the same state who threw out votes from African Americans, clearly Florida is just a Racist state. I think the state motto should be "White is right".
I think all teachers should take courses. If it were up to me every two years a grade school teacher would have to take tests which incompass's everything from K to 12 and if they get less then 90% they are fired instantly, with a chance for a redo only after 6 month.
Is this just because the playbook sales were horrible. In 5 years, given the current state of processing / memory power I think tablets will be very much integrated into our lives even more so. Currently I'm on a tablet for probably 1 - 2 hours a day because of it's connivance, if the processing power in tablets keep increasing then I think we can start to transition over to tablets for much of the work we do day to day. The tablet is the best of both worlds, it's in between a phone and computer, what you can't do on a phone and don't want to pull your notebook out for a tablet is prefect. I think Blackberry's CEO is just a little bit sad that his company just couldn't make a great selling tablet, although I will say that the Playbook physically is a good piece of hardware, if only it would of hit the shelves on time to be a contender.
Fair enough I shouldn't call them the same thing, but still I don't the credit should go to him alone.
I can respect the fact that Tim Lee wrote a basic language that works on the web but I don't think crediting him with the creation of the internet is fair. He helped and he his name should appear as one of the many creators but I'm sick of hearing how he created the internet. That would be like saying K&R created programming because they wrote C, they wrote a great language that progressed computer science but they just like Tim can't credited with creating the sole object.
Actually given the IT admin at the school I went to, throwing out the computers would of been the better option. This guy was pretty clueless, it took him three months to figure out how to reload command.com on a machine and install Windows, someone did a del *.*
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't afflicted with the D-G. So who is the bigger fool, the incompetent who gets paid like the competent, or the competent complainer who continues to work in an organization that can't distinguish them?
Good point! I would say the problem is the incompetent who gets the job in the first place. When I graduated there was a student in my class who couldn't design or program an Analog Digital Converter ( ATD ). He also could barely program C and ASM was a write off, yet he's making 70k a year sitting at an embedded developers job.