Not it's not, it's only condescending if it's false. I'm not saying I don't like hanging out with them or that they don't talents of there own but I'm saying that you could never throw them a Mensa style question or a complex mathematical question and get an answer.
Engineering is the application of scientific, economic, social, and practical knowledge in order to design, build, and maintain structures, machines, devices, systems, materials and processes.
.... I never said that, I used it as an example and not a literal. For instance I'm a computer, electrical and embedded engineer, all three of which aren't "Manly" professions but all of which have a VERY small section of females. Through all my schooling I literally had class with 0 females, there was 1 female in the year under me and that was it. Engineering is just taking an idea or concept and making it come into being, that could be as simple as adding a switch to a product to turn it off and on or as big as building a nuclear reactor. As a kid what are you really going to be able to do to design / build and the answer most people would come up with is "Lego", I'm not using it as a "Manly" expression, I'm using it as a step into learning how to design / build.
Yep! Because if I take a global sample of women I'm more then willing to say that a goo section women do like Intense thinking and logical puzzles, but that isn't the claim I made or the group I used to base my point off. I'm glad most people here can read beyond the grade 4 level.
It's people like you who cause this gender divide to grow and expand. You think it's automatically sexist and offensive to suggest to a woman to act / think like a man or to tell a man to act / think like woman. I never said a woman in IT is a bad thing, I never said a woman in engineering is a bad thing, I never even said that woman can't do any job a man can do. The problem is people like you who read one thing and spin it into a web of offense and hurtful remarks. I fell very sorry for any woman who has to work with you, they must come to work every single day dreading having to work with you.
I don't believe that at all! If you give a girl a box of Lego and tell her to build something she will, she'll have fun and she'll probably enjoy it. My sister loved playing Lego with me, my female friends say the same things about there childhood. There is nothing wrong with doing gender separation, infact I think it's a good idea because it leads to a different mindset, one that can be extremely helpful. However there is also nothing wrong with letting a girl or boy explore on there own, put a barbie, a box of Lego, an Easy bake over and a computer in the same room and see what happens. I'm willing bet that on a good number of occasions each gender will play with / use the other genders toys.
I agree, I don't think there is a barrier, I just think from a young age the focus is in the wrong area. Just like a woman can be an engineer I think a man can be a dress maker but if you never allow those options at a young age you'll never know what can happen.
..... My post was clearly centered around getting more women in to engineering.... how you took that the wrong way is beyond any stage of logical or rational thinking........ but good work.
I agree so what we need to do is move the system so we start focusing engineering towards women even in grade school, they might never pick that line or work but at least if they understand where it's coming from it's a start.
Exactly! My sister always wanted to use my Lego but mom kept buying her barbies and now she's in Psyc, who knows, maybe if she played with Lego at a young age she would of entered engineering or IT.
The problem is most women just aren't interested in engineering type roles. I know 1 female engineer out of the 40+ women I know, all the rest can't stand doing math, physic's or even intense thinking. I think part of the problem is that when kids grow up boys are taught to build and women are taught to be pretty, when a boy plays with Lego or other similar products in a sense he's engineering. On the other hand girls are given a barbie and a easy bake oven and told to have fun, how is that going to lead to a career in engineering. I think the problem needs to be fixed at the child level.
I don't know who uses Debian, out of all the Linux users I know 0 of them do. But you looking for a system / upgrade that doesn't change habits then welcome to Gentoo!
But that doesn't matter, just install the package in a test VM and if it works fine then deploy it. I've actually ran into more issues with "stable" software then anything else, I've had cases where software was to old to support features and protocols I've needed. I don't have the time to wait 2 years in between updates just to get a feature working, I need it working yesterday.
It's 2013 and your finally advertising non broken media support. Even Gentoo has had working media support built in for years, I think if this is one of the selling points of Debian then it's time to move on, your trying to get me to take the Honda N360 off your hands instead of the race car. This is one of the major reasons I could never stick with Debian, I need stuff to work, be up to date and ready to go out of the box, Debian is built off legacy packages in an attempt to claim stability, when in reality it's just outdated in it's release mode.
They deserved to be kicked offline, you don't run Windows in the server room. As for the other uses, anyone who's computer is overseen by IT better not be using a third party solution because they can run though firewalls and filters and for the home user that just really sucks!
The tiling community is really small. Don't get me wrong, I love a good tiling WM and I think they have a place and a time to be used, but I don't think the everyday computer system is one of them. I love them on server's when I want a small WM to just allow easier editing of multiple terminals. I also don't mind them when programming as I can view multiple editors / debuggers and compilers at the same time. Overall I think the desktop computer is the wrong place for the tiled Window Manager.
So everyone said that Metro sucked, they went ahead anyway thinking they would reinvent the desktop OS for all time. They got there asses handed to them and now are finally listening to everyone who said Metro and removing the start button was a BIG mistake.
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Not it's not, it's only condescending if it's false. I'm not saying I don't like hanging out with them or that they don't talents of there own but I'm saying that you could never throw them a Mensa style question or a complex mathematical question and get an answer.
Engineering is the application of scientific, economic, social, and practical knowledge in order to design, build, and maintain structures, machines, devices, systems, materials and processes.
The goal should be to provide the best security possible with out getting in the way of the programmer. I'm confused on what the focus was before :S
No but we should give them the option, I never said force.
.... I never said that, I used it as an example and not a literal. For instance I'm a computer, electrical and embedded engineer, all three of which aren't "Manly" professions but all of which have a VERY small section of females. Through all my schooling I literally had class with 0 females, there was 1 female in the year under me and that was it. Engineering is just taking an idea or concept and making it come into being, that could be as simple as adding a switch to a product to turn it off and on or as big as building a nuclear reactor. As a kid what are you really going to be able to do to design / build and the answer most people would come up with is "Lego", I'm not using it as a "Manly" expression, I'm using it as a step into learning how to design / build.
Yep! Because if I take a global sample of women I'm more then willing to say that a goo section women do like Intense thinking and logical puzzles, but that isn't the claim I made or the group I used to base my point off. I'm glad most people here can read beyond the grade 4 level.
Thank you for defending my post! I'm glad at least most people here can understand my point.
It's people like you who cause this gender divide to grow and expand. You think it's automatically sexist and offensive to suggest to a woman to act / think like a man or to tell a man to act / think like woman. I never said a woman in IT is a bad thing, I never said a woman in engineering is a bad thing, I never even said that woman can't do any job a man can do. The problem is people like you who read one thing and spin it into a web of offense and hurtful remarks. I fell very sorry for any woman who has to work with you, they must come to work every single day dreading having to work with you.
I don't believe that at all! If you give a girl a box of Lego and tell her to build something she will, she'll have fun and she'll probably enjoy it. My sister loved playing Lego with me, my female friends say the same things about there childhood. There is nothing wrong with doing gender separation, infact I think it's a good idea because it leads to a different mindset, one that can be extremely helpful. However there is also nothing wrong with letting a girl or boy explore on there own, put a barbie, a box of Lego, an Easy bake over and a computer in the same room and see what happens. I'm willing bet that on a good number of occasions each gender will play with / use the other genders toys.
I agree, I don't think there is a barrier, I just think from a young age the focus is in the wrong area. Just like a woman can be an engineer I think a man can be a dress maker but if you never allow those options at a young age you'll never know what can happen.
..... My post was clearly centered around getting more women in to engineering .... how you took that the wrong way is beyond any stage of logical or rational thinking ........ but good work.
I agree so what we need to do is move the system so we start focusing engineering towards women even in grade school, they might never pick that line or work but at least if they understand where it's coming from it's a start.
Well one thing is for sure my daughter, if I have any, is going to bought lego before barbies.
Exactly! My sister always wanted to use my Lego but mom kept buying her barbies and now she's in Psyc, who knows, maybe if she played with Lego at a young age she would of entered engineering or IT.
ya what woman would want someone who supports women in engineering! I know right, unthinkable, ass.
The problem is most women just aren't interested in engineering type roles. I know 1 female engineer out of the 40+ women I know, all the rest can't stand doing math, physic's or even intense thinking. I think part of the problem is that when kids grow up boys are taught to build and women are taught to be pretty, when a boy plays with Lego or other similar products in a sense he's engineering. On the other hand girls are given a barbie and a easy bake oven and told to have fun, how is that going to lead to a career in engineering. I think the problem needs to be fixed at the child level.
I don't know who uses Debian, out of all the Linux users I know 0 of them do. But you looking for a system / upgrade that doesn't change habits then welcome to Gentoo!
And bleeding edge software usually doesn't break the desktop.
But that doesn't matter, just install the package in a test VM and if it works fine then deploy it. I've actually ran into more issues with "stable" software then anything else, I've had cases where software was to old to support features and protocols I've needed. I don't have the time to wait 2 years in between updates just to get a feature working, I need it working yesterday.
That I wont argue you about, it's true that a server needs to be solid and unchanging from the day it's installed!
The times of crippled multimedia support in Debian are finally over!
Bleeding edge can work just fine, just be careful what you install.
It's 2013 and your finally advertising non broken media support. Even Gentoo has had working media support built in for years, I think if this is one of the selling points of Debian then it's time to move on, your trying to get me to take the Honda N360 off your hands instead of the race car. This is one of the major reasons I could never stick with Debian, I need stuff to work, be up to date and ready to go out of the box, Debian is built off legacy packages in an attempt to claim stability, when in reality it's just outdated in it's release mode.
They deserved to be kicked offline, you don't run Windows in the server room. As for the other uses, anyone who's computer is overseen by IT better not be using a third party solution because they can run though firewalls and filters and for the home user that just really sucks!
The tiling community is really small. Don't get me wrong, I love a good tiling WM and I think they have a place and a time to be used, but I don't think the everyday computer system is one of them. I love them on server's when I want a small WM to just allow easier editing of multiple terminals. I also don't mind them when programming as I can view multiple editors / debuggers and compilers at the same time. Overall I think the desktop computer is the wrong place for the tiled Window Manager.
So everyone said that Metro sucked, they went ahead anyway thinking they would reinvent the desktop OS for all time. They got there asses handed to them and now are finally listening to everyone who said Metro and removing the start button was a BIG mistake.