That's right, all you teenage music fans. Your generations music is really the product of some fat, bald old fart sitting behind a desk. Thats why your generation has no Led Zeppelin, no Who, no Rush. No great songs that you'll still be listening to in 30 years. Now, what're you going to do about it?
Nirvana is one of those bands like the doors or hendrix.. i always listen to their stuff, it never gets boring. Most of the music today is crap. Lately i've gotten into the electronica scene and its amazing. There may be no timeless artist (other than norman cook, moby, and a few choice others..) but the creative flow of talent is amazing. Beware, though, there is a _lot_ of crappy music out there.. I can usually tell the good stuff.. if it doesnt annoy me and make me want to turn it off, its good:)
I think the moderator(s) really screwed this one up. I totally agree. They can bitch and whine all they want, but nothing will happen until they try to enforce something. Let's see someone treat this license like a legal document instead of a disclaimer.
STOP TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE ITS A RIGHT! Everyone acts like they have this god-given right to steal music. You know what? If you pay for the music like the artists intended, you won't have a single problem with this. Show me exactly where it says "You have the right to take anything you want at any time at any cost to the creator/owner." Music is _not_ free. People put a lot of money into it. It's not up to you to say, "I don't think 15 dollars for a cd is fair, so I'm gonna steal it then whine when they stop my ability do do so." Stop buying the CD's period. Don't go to concerts of bands that do this. Don't buy their t-shirts. Stealing is still illegal, no matter what your hippie-commune-linux-stuff may make you believe. Everything isn't free.
wow, I have never heard of this before but this is damn cool.. i was just about to buy an ata100 controller card, but now that i've seen this i'll step down and get the raid set up.. 2x 30 gb probably striped.. thanks a bunch.
the only people that care are the ones who are doing something illegal. if you were searching for "cute puppies" would you care if anyone knew? if you were searching for "how to grow your own pot" or "methlabs for dummies" you might get a bit more worried..
what about people with usb keyboards? how are they gonna press ctrl-alt-del to access it? People forget one thing-- someone has to have physical access to the comptuer to do this. if you cant trust the people around you with that kind of stuff, close the hotsync manager when you're done with it.
hahahaa..you brought out a very serious issue in a funny manner:). people act like if anyone (especially microsoft.. ohhhhh) can see *anything* they do online, its an absolute breach of privacy. what about telemarketers, junk mail (the paper kind) and people seeing you in public? the best way to get absolute privacy online? ditch your computer. stop whining that somebody may be able to see your yahoo search for "how to use grep"
sorry, i forgot about the whole html linkage part of things:)
bug files are in the format: <img src="http://servername.ext/somefile.ext?querystrin g=blahblah">... etc
i still havent found the page, i really am looking.. its a very good read.. makes stuff like this seem less than trivial..
oh, say, bug files? Now you can't even turn those off.. for those of you who do not know, bug files are little 1x1 gifs (or any other image/html/etc format) that links to a page somethin like:... very suspicious address? indeed. With the right server-side encoding (php can do it, asp can do it, cgi can do it) you can make the browser think its getting a 1x1 image, when in reality its sending unique identification information. Unfortunately i don't remember the link to the place that had a nice big write up on it. They had a list of some big and oft-visited sites which used this method. Next time you're bored check out some big sites's source and see if you see any questionable image tags. Makes local stored data from stupid searches seem kinda trivial now doesnt it?
i think its pretty disrespectful to call them "microshaft" why do you resent them so much? isn't it ok to say "hey, i use linux, i'm not buying into the corporate BS, cool" and be cool with that? You are the kinda people i refer to as jehova's witnesses of computing.. you pick up the thing the media tells you to (linux is the media darling right now, after all..) and then you go and try to force your view on others. How has the computing industry been hurt by microsoft? by bringing computers to the masses? by creating a software which set off a home pc explosion in the 80's? Yeah, i'm still reelin from that one..
Yeap, and the X window system stole it from gates. your point? Its like saying the honda car company should be shut down because a car was made in the 1890's and thats inherently distinctive.. please.. the entire world revolves around taking good ideas and making them better.. where would we be if we could patent rabies vaccination such that you could only get it from 1 hospital in switzerland? or, on a more abstract sense, the human genome project. how can you patent that? you can't patent humanity. Yet thats what the companies are trying to achieve. Competiton is good for society?:)
oh my GOD that is the funniest thing i have read in a long time! took me about 10 minutes before i could click the "reply" link.. oh man../me has tears in his eyes... but seriously. as a person who runs win2k (and very pround of it) i get sick of people bashing products just because its microsoft's.. if they've taken the time to actually try it, they usually like it.. i've seen more than 1 convert.. but i'm not gonna get into this linux vs. ms discussion (this is slashdot, afterall.. i'd probably be booted:) so i use my normal linux-geek attitude: something doesnt go your way, blame it on microsoft. we all know microsoft was responsible for the stock market crash in the 1920's.. and the cold war.. and i dont think we can deny microsoft's liability in IT-IPO stock fever..
monopolies? no fair source of competition.. the ones who try to slap some sense into you i'm-using-linux-because-its-fashionable-now-but-i' ll-go-back-to-aol-as-soon-as-its-not people should be the ones saying AAAAAARGGH! ok.. one step further again.. car industry yeap, they charge.. get this.. from 8,000 up PER CAR! can you believe that?! thats for ONE CAR! some of the nice ones they charge 40,000 and UP! well the car industry has no real competition, so lets say we are justified stealing cars because theres no competition in the car industry. Does it sound stupid to anyone else?
yeah.. and software pirates are good for the software industry.. dude, you are so full of s**t i almost didnt dignify your comment with a response.. have you heard of a little thing called the radio? sure, for the unknown artist great, you got the track and you bought the album. now imagine this. You can get their entire album right there.. its for the taking. But no.. lets go out and buy it! Sadly, that just doesn't happen. the only reason most people who are into the mp3 thing buy cd's is if they can't download them online. want proof? read the posts on this forum. It reads like a collective AOL rant with a few antecdotes and slap-in-the-face-by-reality (a few delivered by me:) If you want mp3 to gain any credibility, you can't use it for illegal purposes. i'll repeat what i said in an earlier thread. mp3 is not, was not, and will never, be about free speech. Nor freedom of music. Its not about "the man" keepin you down, and its not about you throwing off the shackles of corporate greed. Its about intellectual copyright infringement. The musician and record company both entered into a legal contract. Both sides are happy, and if the music was just pre-chewed and tasteless, people would stop buying it. Whatever happened to the good old days of boycotts instead of justify stealing by "its a big evil corporate money machine! they have enough money" It just doesn't work that way..
you're applying the same principle here.. >>I say, if they don't want their "intellectual property" pirated, lower the prices to what it should be. what "should" it be? your damn milk money? have YOU ever tried to program anything? Have you poured countless hours into a program, only to spend countless more debugging it and perfecting it? What is a "fair price?" its all relative. If you spend a whole 2 hours programming something and release it for sale online, sure you'll charge anywhere from 5-15, if you charge for it. And that is for dinky little programs. nobody seems to bitch about those prices. but multiply the hours spent by 1000 (being very conservative) and the cost of production by 100,000, why is it not fair the price is about 5-6x as much? do you want it 1000x as much? to make it proportional? you have to look at this as though its all relative. 70 cdn may be a lot of money. but a car is a lot of money. that doesnt justify stealing them. what ever happened to people saving up for something they wanted? the whole instant-gratification society i tell yah..
you're just the kind of person that nullifies 120 honest people's argument. what are you? 12? 13? you cant keep more'n 20 bucks in your pocket but you have ideas on how a whole industry should be run? figures. And i'm sure you'll reply (if you see this) saying you're some affluent person in your mid 20's in the computer/it industry pullin in over 100k/yr etc. so you're whining about the relativly abismal $ the artists get from record co's. how much do they get when you download mp3's and make music cd's? didnt think about that? someday when you go to apply for a patent for the end-all invention, and they say "sorry.. uhm.. we dont do that anymore, because people think its the man tryin to keep them down. so we're gonna take it anyway.. and give it away for free." What would you say to that? that they took your money? that you should have right to the profits from it since you worked to get it where it was? I'd like to see your response..
ok now imagine this. You payed say 1 dollar per song.. or even 50cents per song. But you have the guarantee that if you buy the album, online or in a store, you could get that much money off the purchase price? Would you work with that system? it mutually benefits everyone. the artist gets a percentage, the record co gets a percentage, and you get money off the album, or a 50cent preview of the album. I bet people would be LIVID if something like this happend.. it infringes on their "right" to steal..
ok now, if you can't afford it then you don't need it. There are plenty of affordable options out there. Photoshop compared to Paintshop? unless you're a professional artist (or filter-happy i guess) paintshop works very well. 3d modeling? you dont need maya when rhino does what you need. Its a matter of "oh i'm never gonna use it but i dont want someone else to have what i don't". i see the same thing happening with pda's. "oh this feature is cool i'm never going to use it but it provides bragging rights" etc. now i'm getting a bit off topic.. the truth: the artists signed the contract, they knew what they were getting into. the record companies are selling the cd's. both parties are happy. then in our wonderful world of cheapskates and theieves, who justify stealing because someone has enough money already (microsoft) or they are big and evil (record companies), we have to really wonder. mp3 is not an issue about free speech. it never has been and it never will be. its not about "the man" tryin to keep you down. its not about your "rights to throw off the corportate shackles." its about intellectual copyright infringement. Maybe if there were some high profile mp3 busts like there have been in the 'warez' world (ie, wired news or/. or someone reports on it and makes a big deal about it) people will start to realize that hey, who's been brainwashing me? the record company execs or the people online who justify stealing by claiming the record co's are big evil money machines that have an omnipotent power. they have the right to defend their property.
the paradigms may be shifting. the prices may be exorbarant. but how does that justify STEALING the music? even if musicians do sell their souls, they get SOMETHING back. if you download their music, they get nothing. how is that benefitting anyone except the cheapskate who wont put down the scratch for a CD?
I totally agree with you mate.. i do software production too, for windows and linux.. although most of my linux stuff is actually for php3 and i let almost anyone who asks have my code.. the justification is a moot argument.. they're bad so i'll be bad too. great reasoning there.. i had always expected the readers of this page to have better arguments and hell, ethics, than what i'm hearing. It sounds like an AOL rant.. guess thats whats happening with the commercialization of linux.. they asked for it:)
Which is more amazing.. that you people bitch and whine about the "corporate" music and the "spoon-fed" attitude, or the fact that you steal said music. Whether or not they're ethical is a personal decision. If they're really the bad bad people you say they are, why don't you 1) not BUY the music, and 2) not DOWNLOAD the music. Its pretty amazing you blasphemize these companies then justify stealing their goods because they're evil.. indeed...
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That's right, all you teenage music fans. Your generations music is really the product of some fat, bald old fart sitting behind a desk. Thats why your generation has no Led Zeppelin, no Who, no Rush. No great songs that you'll still be listening to in 30 years. Now, what're you going to do about it?
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Nirvana is one of those bands like the doors or hendrix.. i always listen to their stuff, it never gets boring. Most of the music today is crap. Lately i've gotten into the electronica scene and its amazing. There may be no timeless artist (other than norman cook, moby, and a few choice others..) but the creative flow of talent is amazing. Beware, though, there is a _lot_ of crappy music out there.. I can usually tell the good stuff.. if it doesnt annoy me and make me want to turn it off, its good
I think the moderator(s) really screwed this one up. I totally agree. They can bitch and whine all they want, but nothing will happen until they try to enforce something. Let's see someone treat this license like a legal document instead of a disclaimer.
STOP TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE ITS A RIGHT! Everyone acts like they have this god-given right to steal music. You know what? If you pay for the music like the artists intended, you won't have a single problem with this. Show me exactly where it says "You have the right to take anything you want at any time at any cost to the creator/owner." Music is _not_ free. People put a lot of money into it. It's not up to you to say, "I don't think 15 dollars for a cd is fair, so I'm gonna steal it then whine when they stop my ability do do so." Stop buying the CD's period. Don't go to concerts of bands that do this. Don't buy their t-shirts. Stealing is still illegal, no matter what your hippie-commune-linux-stuff may make you believe. Everything isn't free.
wow, I have never heard of this before but this is damn cool.. i was just about to buy an ata100 controller card, but now that i've seen this i'll step down and get the raid set up.. 2x 30 gb probably striped.. thanks a bunch.
the only people that care are the ones who are doing something illegal. if you were searching for "cute puppies" would you care if anyone knew? if you were searching for "how to grow your own pot" or "methlabs for dummies" you might get a bit more worried..
what about people with usb keyboards? how are they gonna press ctrl-alt-del to access it? People forget one thing-- someone has to have physical access to the comptuer to do this. if you cant trust the people around you with that kind of stuff, close the hotsync manager when you're done with it.
hahahaa..you brought out a very serious issue in a funny manner :). people act like if anyone (especially microsoft.. ohhhhh) can see *anything* they do online, its an absolute breach of privacy. what about telemarketers, junk mail (the paper kind) and people seeing you in public? the best way to get absolute privacy online? ditch your computer. stop whining that somebody may be able to see your yahoo search for "how to use grep"
sorry, i forgot about the whole html linkage part of things :)
bug files are in the format: <img src="http://servername.ext/somefile.ext?querystrin g=blahblah"> ... etc
i still havent found the page, i really am looking.. its a very good read.. makes stuff like this seem less than trivial..
local access is considered local as on your computer.. not other web servers.
oh, say, bug files? Now you can't even turn those off.. for those of you who do not know, bug files are little 1x1 gifs (or any other image/html/etc format) that links to a page somethin like: ... very suspicious address? indeed. With the right server-side encoding (php can do it, asp can do it, cgi can do it) you can make the browser think its getting a 1x1 image, when in reality its sending unique identification information. Unfortunately i don't remember the link to the place that had a nice big write up on it. They had a list of some big and oft-visited sites which used this method. Next time you're bored check out some big sites's source and see if you see any questionable image tags. Makes local stored data from stupid searches seem kinda trivial now doesnt it?
i think its pretty disrespectful to call them "microshaft" why do you resent them so much? isn't it ok to say "hey, i use linux, i'm not buying into the corporate BS, cool" and be cool with that? You are the kinda people i refer to as jehova's witnesses of computing.. you pick up the thing the media tells you to (linux is the media darling right now, after all..) and then you go and try to force your view on others. How has the computing industry been hurt by microsoft? by bringing computers to the masses? by creating a software which set off a home pc explosion in the 80's? Yeah, i'm still reelin from that one..
Yeap, and the X window system stole it from gates. your point? Its like saying the honda car company should be shut down because a car was made in the 1890's and thats inherently distinctive.. please.. the entire world revolves around taking good ideas and making them better.. where would we be if we could patent rabies vaccination such that you could only get it from 1 hospital in switzerland? or, on a more abstract sense, the human genome project. how can you patent that? you can't patent humanity. Yet thats what the companies are trying to achieve. Competiton is good for society? :)
oh my GOD that is the funniest thing i have read in a long time! took me about 10 minutes before i could click the "reply" link.. oh man.. /me has tears in his eyes... but seriously. as a person who runs win2k (and very pround of it) i get sick of people bashing products just because its microsoft's .. if they've taken the time to actually try it, they usually like it.. i've seen more than 1 convert.. but i'm not gonna get into this linux vs. ms discussion (this is slashdot, afterall.. i'd probably be booted:) so i use my normal linux-geek attitude: something doesnt go your way, blame it on microsoft. we all know microsoft was responsible for the stock market crash in the 1920's.. and the cold war.. and i dont think we can deny microsoft's liability in IT-IPO stock fever..
monopolies? no fair source of competition.. the ones who try to slap some sense into you i'm-using-linux-because-its-fashionable-now-but-i' ll-go-back-to-aol-as-soon-as-its-not people should be the ones saying AAAAAARGGH! ok.. one step further again.. car industry yeap, they charge.. get this.. from 8,000 up PER CAR! can you believe that?! thats for ONE CAR! some of the nice ones they charge 40,000 and UP! well the car industry has no real competition, so lets say we are justified stealing cars because theres no competition in the car industry. Does it sound stupid to anyone else?
yeah.. and software pirates are good for the software industry.. dude, you are so full of s**t i almost didnt dignify your comment with a response.. have you heard of a little thing called the radio? sure, for the unknown artist great, you got the track and you bought the album. now imagine this. You can get their entire album right there.. its for the taking. But no.. lets go out and buy it! Sadly, that just doesn't happen. the only reason most people who are into the mp3 thing buy cd's is if they can't download them online. want proof? read the posts on this forum. It reads like a collective AOL rant with a few antecdotes and slap-in-the-face-by-reality (a few delivered by me:) If you want mp3 to gain any credibility, you can't use it for illegal purposes. i'll repeat what i said in an earlier thread. mp3 is not, was not, and will never, be about free speech. Nor freedom of music. Its not about "the man" keepin you down, and its not about you throwing off the shackles of corporate greed. Its about intellectual copyright infringement. The musician and record company both entered into a legal contract. Both sides are happy, and if the music was just pre-chewed and tasteless, people would stop buying it. Whatever happened to the good old days of boycotts instead of justify stealing by "its a big evil corporate money machine! they have enough money" It just doesn't work that way..
you're applying the same principle here.. >>I say, if they don't want their "intellectual property" pirated, lower the prices to what it should be. what "should" it be? your damn milk money? have YOU ever tried to program anything? Have you poured countless hours into a program, only to spend countless more debugging it and perfecting it? What is a "fair price?" its all relative. If you spend a whole 2 hours programming something and release it for sale online, sure you'll charge anywhere from 5-15, if you charge for it. And that is for dinky little programs. nobody seems to bitch about those prices. but multiply the hours spent by 1000 (being very conservative) and the cost of production by 100,000, why is it not fair the price is about 5-6x as much? do you want it 1000x as much? to make it proportional? you have to look at this as though its all relative. 70 cdn may be a lot of money. but a car is a lot of money. that doesnt justify stealing them. what ever happened to people saving up for something they wanted? the whole instant-gratification society i tell yah ..
you're just the kind of person that nullifies 120 honest people's argument. what are you? 12? 13? you cant keep more'n 20 bucks in your pocket but you have ideas on how a whole industry should be run? figures. And i'm sure you'll reply (if you see this) saying you're some affluent person in your mid 20's in the computer/it industry pullin in over 100k/yr etc. so you're whining about the relativly abismal $ the artists get from record co's. how much do they get when you download mp3's and make music cd's? didnt think about that? someday when you go to apply for a patent for the end-all invention, and they say "sorry.. uhm.. we dont do that anymore, because people think its the man tryin to keep them down. so we're gonna take it anyway.. and give it away for free." What would you say to that? that they took your money? that you should have right to the profits from it since you worked to get it where it was? I'd like to see your response..
And yet, you don't see a huge bunch of people whining and claiming "free speech" when people are arrested for pirating software. Hmm...
ok now imagine this. You payed say 1 dollar per song.. or even 50cents per song. But you have the guarantee that if you buy the album, online or in a store, you could get that much money off the purchase price? Would you work with that system? it mutually benefits everyone. the artist gets a percentage, the record co gets a percentage, and you get money off the album, or a 50cent preview of the album. I bet people would be LIVID if something like this happend.. it infringes on their "right" to steal..
ok now, if you can't afford it then you don't need it. There are plenty of affordable options out there. Photoshop compared to Paintshop? unless you're a professional artist (or filter-happy i guess) paintshop works very well. 3d modeling? you dont need maya when rhino does what you need. Its a matter of "oh i'm never gonna use it but i dont want someone else to have what i don't". i see the same thing happening with pda's. "oh this feature is cool i'm never going to use it but it provides bragging rights" etc. now i'm getting a bit off topic.. the truth: the artists signed the contract, they knew what they were getting into. the record companies are selling the cd's. both parties are happy. then in our wonderful world of cheapskates and theieves, who justify stealing because someone has enough money already (microsoft) or they are big and evil (record companies), we have to really wonder. mp3 is not an issue about free speech. it never has been and it never will be. its not about "the man" tryin to keep you down. its not about your "rights to throw off the corportate shackles." its about intellectual copyright infringement. Maybe if there were some high profile mp3 busts like there have been in the 'warez' world (ie, wired news or /. or someone reports on it and makes a big deal about it) people will start to realize that hey, who's been brainwashing me? the record company execs or the people online who justify stealing by claiming the record co's are big evil money machines that have an omnipotent power. they have the right to defend their property.
the paradigms may be shifting. the prices may be exorbarant. but how does that justify STEALING the music? even if musicians do sell their souls, they get SOMETHING back. if you download their music, they get nothing. how is that benefitting anyone except the cheapskate who wont put down the scratch for a CD?
I totally agree with you mate.. i do software production too, for windows and linux.. although most of my linux stuff is actually for php3 and i let almost anyone who asks have my code.. the justification is a moot argument.. they're bad so i'll be bad too. great reasoning there.. i had always expected the readers of this page to have better arguments and hell, ethics, than what i'm hearing. It sounds like an AOL rant.. guess thats whats happening with the commercialization of linux.. they asked for it :)
Which is more amazing.. that you people bitch and whine about the "corporate" music and the "spoon-fed" attitude, or the fact that you steal said music. Whether or not they're ethical is a personal decision. If they're really the bad bad people you say they are, why don't you 1) not BUY the music, and 2) not DOWNLOAD the music. Its pretty amazing you blasphemize these companies then justify stealing their goods because they're evil.. indeed...