what if "Love" is the reason (and answer) to why we're here? if it is, then we've learned very little proving that humans are both insincere and inferior (apparently) to some "lower" animals.
whatever, take care.
when will we get over this illusory idea of money? it's totally illusory to think that an economy based on LIMITED resources can be anything but limited itself.
the interesting thing is that if you kill all but 2 people (male and female), we're back where we started from:-)
it's cool to think that people could start mutating and 6 fingers could (once again) become a "dominant" trait. hell, maybe penii will get larger on average in the not too distant future...one can only hope *heh heh*
..so then, we can start hating and killing 12-fingered, fat-cocked people.
truly the mental IS more important than the physical.
"Resistance is Futile So Give Up" by Jeff Bezos in Time magazine
*laugh* this guy sits on the 6th floor of the building surrounded by shatter-resistant glass. i hope she gets locked in her office and us unable to get out of the room w/o having to call one of the ubiquitous security guards there.
amen..actually "doing" all the moves before you do 1 move--that's called cheatin' where i come from (and that silicon-brained Deep Blue didn't even ask if it could take back all those millions of moves!!)
shouldn't there be simple rules that govern just what AI is?
like i just thought of something reading these post where people mention the "programming of AI"--
--to truly be ArtInt, shouldn't it be able to program and re-program itself? i know i have the ability to change my mind (when my mother isn't telling me what to do or how to live my life).
i'd hate to be the person to code that up. S**t!
taking from my logic in a previous post:
God == MOST INTELLIGENCE in system [It made us; we are Truly-----********* oh crap! epipheny!!!!!!!!!
are we truly "intelligent"? (or for that matter, "artificial" since in my opinion we are "closely" tied to God as to be god
G(g)= G(g) ^ G(g) ^ G(g)...
what??? i gotta do some more thinking, but if someone knows if there are actual guidelines for AI research, let me know (i'll search it out anyway though).
i just heard something similar to the "repetition" strategem. it related to music and how "genuis" music (whatever that is) sort of ruminates between 2 notes for a bit rather than randomize and go free range on that ass.
"The main difference with Joy is that he breaks robotics out as a separate main field of concern"
ah. now i see. that sort of makes the argument clear, so i feel foolish for saying he's full of himself.
...and that series "Soul of the Universe" (1991,2) mentioned the civilizations in existence in the universe-thing and the span of a civilizations existence prime period of existence (which i guess is between 50,000 and 7.8 million years--that's what this guys calculation says..we're 2-3 million in, right?). it gave the visual of light-pulses as representing communiques to other civilizations and stated that the time it would take to receive a reply becomes *large* in relation to the distance between the civs. they also took into account the fact that some civilizations may have blown their own asses off so they wouldn't be able to talk much anyway (speaking of which, i think i'm going to watch "The Hitchhiker's Guide..." tomorrow on video). and so imagine if civs only existed like 100,000 years on a clip--we'd never meet up with anybody else (and if our race did meet up w/ another, i'd be the first the warn them Amityville style "Get away! Get out! We're are crazy!").
but the thing is, if the Creation propagates Infinitely, then we can (maybe) say that there will invariably be infinite civs. so there is hope after all--just not of talking to anybody else who is further away than an ocean.
also (as in The Hitchhiker's Guide), there are civs which may have become so *aware* and in tune, that they communicate telepathically (read: they've learned to shut up, thusly, their brains developed). so they never send out "radio" signals and so we never detect them at all (unless of course we can "advance" to be able to tap into the universal consciousness thingy and send some thought waves their way. it'd be a hell of a lot faster).
"Why is it that as technology progresses it should naturally oppose us?"
why does my mother try to live vicariously through me (does she not know that i'm a bum?)--because of her EGO. once we let go of that, progressive technology will be as natural as is REALLY is.
and i really don'think technology opposes us..in a way it does, cuz we oppose Nature, which lays down the rules for our environmental interactions. if we realize that as "strange" as our human ways are, they are Natural, normal (read: to be expected since we're FREE) and PERFECT.
the machines tend to agree with the Natural Way, unlike us hard-headed humans, but much like Canadian Geese (hell, even Canadians!). they compute, and "tell it like it is." you'd be hard pressed to get a computer to lie (there's AI for you).
so as we continue to lie to ourselves in the face of rapidly unfolding Universal Truth and we smack our collective heads against the wall of the Truth, we'll wonderfully have no choice but to accept the Truth AS IT IS.
God is such a wise ass:) but it won't ever say "i told you so"
unreal. some people (interestingly, a lot of the people mentioned by the article's author) are so full of themselves. it's cool that the guy coded hardware architectures and stuff, but he never really goes into what the essence of Artificial Intelligence (AI) is.
in my opinion (which is based on limited knowledge of ALL topics), AI is what humans (and all "creatures") are!! Let's call this "thing" that spawned "us" (yet we're still part of "it" so as to be the same as "it") God (or Bob, or hell, for that matter Chico. there's a name you stopped hearing after that '70's show "Chico and the Man"). this "thing" was so "smart," that it had the "ability" to bring forth entities that, based on the intelligence at large, could replicate the same abilities, but on a different "scale" (size doesn't matter, only magnitude; shows EVERYTHING is equal..see, God DOESN'T play dice, or favorites).
the ability to "think outside of the system" at large is the key to being a subsequent form of intelligence. we can say screw God's instruction set and follow our own (the funny thing is God sits right there with the only True instruction set that is the foundation that everything else is based upon, so any deviation from that leads us down a path where we base our decisions on "false" principles instead of the Universal Principals..the coolest thing is, the Truth comes through even as we CHOOSE to lie to ourselves and others). anyway--
if i had 32 brains working side-by-side (IBM's Deep Blue, or as i like to call it, Kasparov's metal bitch), it might look as though i had some sort of superior ability, but this has nothing to do with conscience, which they haven't even begun to understand. in short: having a lot of brain-power isn't the same as having the ability to say "you know what--screw it! I won't even use my brain!" that is what (i believe) microprocessor-based life will not be able to truly do. of course, i could be wrong. my own reasoning stated above shows that if we can "emulate" God's ability (more likely as a collective than as an individual), than we can do what God has done, and that, as i stated, was create an Artificial Intelligence.
here's the rub though: we have to be able to inject a "part" of ourselves--our own essence or soul--into that which we want to become sentient and intelligent. the same as what God (theoretically has done).
or maybe (if as some Eastern religion/philosophies proclaim), there is a part of the essence in ALL that is material (we may be built up from an Essential Source) so therefore, God may well be in the machines and they are in their "primal" state as we speak.
still, a robot has to be able to "sass" a human in my opinion (which is based on limited knowledge) in order to prove intelligent. when i hear a robot tell someone to "kiss it's composite chasis," THEN i'll concede intellect (did i spell this correctly?)
you can care so much sometimes that you become destructive to that which just is.
when people say they don't care, it eases the pressure of actually having to care.
i myself, don't want to care in the egotistical way ("why IS it THAT important?").
example: Hitler CARED enough about the Germans that he decided to handle their problem for them: to kill all Jews. now that's compassion--you care enough for your "brethren" that you alleviate their problems in life--by causing more "problems."
i've only taken intro C, but i've got a ton of stuff on coding and practice (i've stolen plenty of C/C++ Journals and everything i could lay my hands on). i just never was disciplined enough to apply any knowledge--you see, I sort of don't like discipline--@ all! but, it plays a part...
to me, programmers are what God intended them to be cuz they follow to the same logic as God. modularity and "standard definitions" (even the modularness OF definitions and their interchangeability!). i used to envy them, but now, i really really appreciate that these people are able to move toward a sort of goal (i guess the overall goal is for the realization of Artificial Intelligence, but we as humans are sort of an artificial intelligence because we've been programmed w/ the freedom to do whatever..pure genius move!). i notice programs tend to get more "thorough" and also more useful (even the Windows(tm) platform stuff). programmers take something good, make it better, and try to move it toward a state of it being "the best": perfection. although, in my opinion, we don't have to worry about being perfect because the whole of Creation is Truly perfect, i think programmers are the point at which the old world turns over into the new world; they allow for proper reasoning (you can't use crap logic in a module w/o it f*n up somewhere--fatal loop or something) to occur and that totally crushes the faulty logic and rationale that people abide by and adhere to in these "modern" times. as Huxley predicted, Religion would disappear in a puff of logic simply because people would eventually be able to think beyond it (if it does disappear though, we may slip in to total social chaos, he suggests). we would break out of the model of uninformed ignorance and into the unknown future of rationale structuring.
programmers/coders have great senses of humour; beautiful minds that know and CAN indeed process parallel(ly?-yuck)--that's the whole key: modelling. we can model a "better" tomorrow before we make our mistakes!! we don't have to ever search out blindly and guess @ things now--we have a good knowledge base (which is what Microsoft doesn't give it's consumers and makes difficult and costly for its Developers--if they don't work for a company that can get the SDKs and stuff for 'em). that's the beauty of *nix--you get TOO DAMN MUCH knowledge in the man pages (reading a man page is like reading a manual that gives you all the answers and the hope of all possibilities that are realizable!! how many options/flags are there for the kill command alone?!!). Freedom. the programmer is freeing all of us right along with themselves.
these people are touching God in such a way that it's "causing" them to make things better (healing) and i love them for it. i could speak on this forever...
now, if we can keep the governments from corrupting this "good" thing..hmm...why the hell do we need a government anyway?
is the Tomb Raider movie still in the works (not that i've searched for info). that crap show "Relic Hunter" w/ sexy Tia Carrera is a total rip. I'd like to see that chick they model Laura Croft as act in it. i think she's in Lycos(?) commercial. she is too sexy.
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what if "Love" is the reason (and answer) to why we're here? if it is, then we've learned very little proving that humans are both insincere and inferior (apparently) to some "lower" animals. whatever, take care.
when will we get over this illusory idea of money?
it's totally illusory to think that an economy based on LIMITED resources can be anything but limited itself.
the interesting thing is that if you kill all but 2 people (male and female), we're back where we started from :-)
it's cool to think that people could start mutating and 6 fingers could (once again) become a "dominant" trait. hell, maybe penii will get larger on average in the not too distant future...one can only hope *heh heh*
..so then, we can start hating and killing 12-fingered, fat-cocked people.
truly the mental IS more important than the physical.
"Resistance is Futile So Give Up" by Jeff Bezos in Time magazine
*laugh* this guy sits on the 6th floor of the building surrounded by shatter-resistant glass. i hope she gets locked in her office and us unable to get out of the room w/o having to call one of the ubiquitous security guards there.
...only if Willy "knew" what he was doing?
damn dirty Willy!
amen..actually "doing" all the moves before you do 1 move--that's called cheatin' where i come from (and that silicon-brained Deep Blue didn't even ask if it could take back all those millions of moves!!)
shouldn't there be simple rules that govern just what AI is?
...
like i just thought of something reading these post where people mention the "programming of AI"--
--to truly be ArtInt, shouldn't it be able to program and re-program itself? i know i have the ability to change my mind (when my mother isn't telling me what to do or how to live my life).
i'd hate to be the person to code that up. S**t!
taking from my logic in a previous post:
God == MOST INTELLIGENCE in system
[It made us; we are Truly-----********* oh crap! epipheny!!!!!!!!!
are we truly "intelligent"? (or for that matter, "artificial" since in my opinion we are "closely" tied to God as to be god
G(g)= G(g) ^ G(g) ^ G(g)
what??? i gotta do some more thinking, but if someone knows if there are actual guidelines for AI research, let me know (i'll search it out anyway though).
i just heard something similar to the "repetition" strategem. it related to music and how "genuis" music (whatever that is) sort of ruminates between 2 notes for a bit rather than randomize and go free range on that ass.
"The main difference with Joy is that he breaks robotics out as a separate main field of concern"
ah. now i see. that sort of makes the argument clear, so i feel foolish for saying he's full of himself.
...and that series "Soul of the Universe" (1991,2) mentioned the civilizations in existence in the universe-thing and the span of a civilizations existence prime period of existence (which i guess is between 50,000 and 7.8 million years--that's what this guys calculation says..we're 2-3 million in, right?). it gave the visual of light-pulses as representing communiques to other civilizations and stated that the time it would take to receive a reply becomes *large* in relation to the distance between the civs. they also took into account the fact that some civilizations may have blown their own asses off so they wouldn't be able to talk much anyway (speaking of which, i think i'm going to watch "The Hitchhiker's Guide..." tomorrow on video). and so imagine if civs only existed like 100,000 years on a clip--we'd never meet up with anybody else (and if our race did meet up w/ another, i'd be the first the warn them Amityville style "Get away! Get out! We're are crazy!").
but the thing is, if the Creation propagates Infinitely, then we can (maybe) say that there will invariably be infinite civs. so there is hope after all--just not of talking to anybody else who is further away than an ocean.
also (as in The Hitchhiker's Guide), there are civs which may have become so *aware* and in tune, that they communicate telepathically (read: they've learned to shut up, thusly, their brains developed). so they never send out "radio" signals and so we never detect them at all (unless of course we can "advance" to be able to tap into the universal consciousness thingy and send some thought waves their way. it'd be a hell of a lot faster).
oh well--you folks are great
i'm in the process of recording some Red Dwarf episodes from off of PBS..commercial free, aaaah.
"Why is it that as technology progresses it should naturally oppose us?"
:) but it won't ever say "i told you so"
why does my mother try to live vicariously through me (does she not know that i'm a bum?)--because of her EGO. once we let go of that, progressive technology will be as natural as is REALLY is.
and i really don'think technology opposes us..in a way it does, cuz we oppose Nature, which lays down the rules for our environmental interactions. if we realize that as "strange" as our human ways are, they are Natural, normal (read: to be expected since we're FREE) and PERFECT.
the machines tend to agree with the Natural Way, unlike us hard-headed humans, but much like Canadian Geese (hell, even Canadians!). they compute, and "tell it like it is." you'd be hard pressed to get a computer to lie (there's AI for you).
so as we continue to lie to ourselves in the face of rapidly unfolding Universal Truth and we smack our collective heads against the wall of the Truth, we'll wonderfully have no choice but to accept the Truth AS IT IS.
God is such a wise ass
unreal. some people (interestingly, a lot of the people mentioned by the article's author) are so full of themselves. it's cool that the guy coded hardware architectures and stuff, but he never really goes into what the essence of Artificial Intelligence (AI) is.
in my opinion (which is based on limited knowledge of ALL topics), AI is what humans (and all "creatures") are!! Let's call this "thing" that spawned "us" (yet we're still part of "it" so as to be the same as "it") God (or Bob, or hell, for that matter Chico. there's a name you stopped hearing after that '70's show "Chico and the Man"). this "thing" was so "smart," that it had the "ability" to bring forth entities that, based on the intelligence at large, could replicate the same abilities, but on a different "scale" (size doesn't matter, only magnitude; shows EVERYTHING is equal..see, God DOESN'T play dice, or favorites).
the ability to "think outside of the system" at large is the key to being a subsequent form of intelligence. we can say screw God's instruction set and follow our own (the funny thing is God sits right there with the only True instruction set that is the foundation that everything else is based upon, so any deviation from that leads us down a path where we base our decisions on "false" principles instead of the Universal Principals..the coolest thing is, the Truth comes through even as we CHOOSE to lie to ourselves and others). anyway--
if i had 32 brains working side-by-side (IBM's Deep Blue, or as i like to call it, Kasparov's metal bitch), it might look as though i had some sort of superior ability, but this has nothing to do with conscience, which they haven't even begun to understand. in short: having a lot of brain-power isn't the same as having the ability to say "you know what--screw it! I won't even use my brain!" that is what (i believe) microprocessor-based life will not be able to truly do. of course, i could be wrong. my own reasoning stated above shows that if we can "emulate" God's ability (more likely as a collective than as an individual), than we can do what God has done, and that, as i stated, was create an Artificial Intelligence.
here's the rub though: we have to be able to inject a "part" of ourselves--our own essence or soul--into that which we want to become sentient and intelligent. the same as what God (theoretically has done).
or maybe (if as some Eastern religion/philosophies proclaim), there is a part of the essence in ALL that is material (we may be built up from an Essential Source) so therefore, God may well be in the machines and they are in their "primal" state as we speak.
still, a robot has to be able to "sass" a human in my opinion (which is based on limited knowledge) in order to prove intelligent. when i hear a robot tell someone to "kiss it's composite chasis," THEN i'll concede intellect (did i spell this correctly?)
I knew a girl whose ass was like the Universe--BIG. i dig what you typed :-)
you can care so much sometimes that you become destructive to that which just is.
when people say they don't care, it eases the pressure of actually having to care.
i myself, don't want to care in the egotistical way ("why IS it THAT important?").
example: Hitler CARED enough about the Germans that he decided to handle their problem for them: to kill all Jews. now that's compassion--you care enough for your "brethren" that you alleviate their problems in life--by causing more "problems."
maybe he shouldn't have cared so much.
i've only taken intro C, but i've got a ton of stuff on coding and practice (i've stolen plenty of C/C++ Journals and everything i could lay my hands on). i just never was disciplined enough to apply any knowledge--you see, I sort of don't like discipline--@ all! but, it plays a part...
to me, programmers are what God intended them to be cuz they follow to the same logic as God. modularity and "standard definitions" (even the modularness OF definitions and their interchangeability!). i used to envy them, but now, i really really appreciate that these people are able to move toward a sort of goal (i guess the overall goal is for the realization of Artificial Intelligence, but we as humans are sort of an artificial intelligence because we've been programmed w/ the freedom to do whatever..pure genius move!). i notice programs tend to get more "thorough" and also more useful (even the Windows(tm) platform stuff). programmers take something good, make it better, and try to move it toward a state of it being "the best": perfection. although, in my opinion, we don't have to worry about being perfect because the whole of Creation is Truly perfect, i think programmers are the point at which the old world turns over into the new world; they allow for proper reasoning (you can't use crap logic in a module w/o it f*n up somewhere--fatal loop or something) to occur and that totally crushes the faulty logic and rationale that people abide by and adhere to in these "modern" times. as Huxley predicted, Religion would disappear in a puff of logic simply because people would eventually be able to think beyond it (if it does disappear though, we may slip in to total social chaos, he suggests). we would break out of the model of uninformed ignorance and into the unknown future of rationale structuring.
programmers/coders have great senses of humour; beautiful minds that know and CAN indeed process parallel(ly?-yuck)--that's the whole key: modelling. we can model a "better" tomorrow before we make our mistakes!! we don't have to ever search out blindly and guess @ things now--we have a good knowledge base (which is what Microsoft doesn't give it's consumers and makes difficult and costly for its Developers--if they don't work for a company that can get the SDKs and stuff for 'em). that's the beauty of *nix--you get TOO DAMN MUCH knowledge in the man pages (reading a man page is like reading a manual that gives you all the answers and the hope of all possibilities that are realizable!! how many options/flags are there for the kill command alone?!!). Freedom. the programmer is freeing all of us right along with themselves.
these people are touching God in such a way that it's "causing" them to make things better (healing) and i love them for it. i could speak on this forever...
now, if we can keep the governments from corrupting this "good" thing..hmm...why the hell do we need a government anyway?
Amen...freedom.
0h! you mean Christina Ricci as "The Expressionless"--man, she's got a great rack though...
Steve Buscemi is god.
:-)
(i like the AOL handle
is the Tomb Raider movie still in the works (not that i've searched for info). that crap show "Relic Hunter" w/ sexy Tia Carrera is a total rip. I'd like to see that chick they model Laura Croft as act in it. i think she's in Lycos(?) commercial. she is too sexy.
Wing Commander IS Battlestar Galactica.