I still remember "XYZZY" and "PLOVER", and I've not played ADVENT in something like 20 years.:-) --
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
...but they stopped the beta program and removed the OS/2 code from the final 2.0 release, supposedly because it conflicted with other functionality in VMWare. Apparently they've not learned about "configuration files" yet.:-( --
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I know that the Unisys 2200-based transaction system I work on at NWA (WorldFlight, a derivative of UAL's UNIMATIC) still runs in a modified TIP environment on OS2200, which itself is a direct descendant of UNIVAC's EXEC8.
However, even though some of the Fortran and MASM source still used in production dates from 1966 and 1967, the operating system itself is much newer (less than a year old). It's been refined over time, and the hardware and OS isn't the same as it was. It just maintains an extremely high level of compatibility with older software, and as far as the application is concerned it's still running on a UNIVAC 1108. --
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I work on a programming team of 12 people, and the company I work for (a major US airline) has flex hours in the IT department. We have some folks on the team starting work as early as 5am and some folks starting as late as 9pm. Also, most folks work the standard M-F, but some work 4 days every other week (getting every other Monday or Friday off), and one works a four-day week.
I generally come in somewhere between 11am and 2pm depending on how late I was up the night before and on whether or not I had errands to run during the morning.
Not only do flexible hours let the programming staff adapt their work hours to their outside schedule, but it also has the indirect benefit of giving us people on-site almost 24x7, which is a very nice thing if we have a production problem.
I think this guy would be in for a serious culture shock if he decided to hang around here for a while.:-) --
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
We had some contractors in New Delhi that were working for us, and we are located in a suburb of Minneapolis. The relative time offset between MSP and DEL is almost exactly 12 hours in the wintertime (we're 6 hours behind GMT, and they were 5.5 hours ahead), which made it very hard to communicate directly with the programmers in India (our office hours simply did not overlap).
Overall, the people who ended up coding for us were capable people, and they were usually easy to understand (though one or two had strong accents), but we ended up dropping their services because the time difference really had an adverse impact on collaborative projects... --
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
So go find a 4MB Matrox Millenium somewhere...
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Nice 2D cards, capable of 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, and compatible with everything from XFree86 to OS/2 to BeOS to Solaris.
Places like The Computer Geeks are currently selling different variants for US$18 and US$22 apiece (click here). Granted, some are system pulls, but they're so cheap who cares?
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
...and it makes a good attempt to split the text display up into regions like a GUI browser would, at least in some cases. That, plus the relatively accurate table rendering and the attempt to show at least some of the colors on a site using the standard text colors, makes Links a surprisingly useful web browser. -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Both Mystic Lake Casino and Treasure Island are only a short distance from the Twin Cities (the former is only 20 miles or so from the center of Minneapolis). -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Man didn't "know" any better... :-)
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Besides, the whole situation was a setup.
Adam and Eve had no knowledge of Good and Evil until they ate from the Tree, so they really had no basic understanding of "right" and "wrong" at that time, and yet they were somehow expected to resist for an indefinitely long period of time the arguments presented by the snake that God created and planted in the Garden of Eden.
Even a person already possessed of such knowledge would have a tough time in that situation. -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Silly person. "@" is a UNIVAC Master Space character.:-) -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
The original comment was that Windows somehow had the lead on all other platforms when it came to GUIs. Sheesh.;-) -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
> Something like the Windows desktop, which was the first truly object oriented > desktop, was extremely innovative.
As the previous poster said, OS/2's WorkPlace Shell (a heavily-SOM-based OO desktop) predated Windows 95 by at least three years (OS/2 2.0 was released to the public in the spring of 1992).
> If you were using computers prior to 1995, you would know that before this > everything lived in a separate hierarchy, and had an inconsistent interface.
The MacOS arrived on the scene in 1984. All of its software components used consistent dialogs and GUI elements, and the whole was extremely standardized.
On the PC, the PC/GEOS environment presented PC users with not only a standard interface, but a set of standard application functionity objects (a spellchecker object, a bitmap toolset object, vector graphics toolset object, etc) that coders could use to add standard functionity to their programs.
Microsoft is a Johnny-come-lately in the GUI consistency arena, even on Intel hardware. -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
"...no Unix is comparable to Windows in terms of usability."
I provided an example where your assertion doesn't apear to hold true. -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
We have end-users working on Solaris/CDE here, and it seems to work for them just fine. They use a fixed set of applications just as a Windows user does, and their productivity is no different.
-- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Microsoft may engage in a lot of R&D, but until they release the results of said research into their products, I really don't see the R&D as being all that meaningful.
Most of their product releases are the result of a purchase, refine, and release cycle, not in-house research. Products like Word, Excel, Access, Visual BASIC, Visual C++, and MSIE were all the direct result of externally-developed techology.
-- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
People forget that OS/2 Warp 3 shipped in early 1994 with dial-up TCP/IP (first SLIP, then PPP), and had a full compliment of network clients (mail and news clients, ftp, telnet client, etc.).
Nothing seems acceptable in the marketplace until Microsoft does it, and then everyone remembers how Microsoft did it first...:-( *Sigh* -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
How can Microsoft "claim the lead" w.r.t. the GUI with platforms like OS/2 and the MacOS still out there? -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I've used both Linux and OS/2 since 1992, for example, and I know a lot of OS/2 folks (and ex-OS/2 folks) who are Linux users. You're right that the business OS/2 user base is unlikely to be interested in Linux, though. Most Unix folks who lump OS/2 in with Windows don't have a clue about its capabilities... -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
The NetPositive web browser which is bundled with BeOS 4.0 and 4.5 (not sure about 5.0 as mine hasn't arrived yet) tossed out rather amusing errors in haiku when it can't connect to a web site.
Also, WON (the BeOS SMB connectivity client) comes out with some amusing error messages if you blow a password or something. -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
You can see a picture of a typical Vectrex unit here... -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
That would be Burroughs, UNIVAC, NCR, Control Data, and Honeywell for those who don't remember... -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
You've forgotten that "Netscape 2.02" for OS/2 was an IBM port which used the Navigator 2.x interface bolted onto the Navigator 3.x rendering engine. It wasn't all that far behind its counterpart on other operating systems.
You also seem to forget that various apps did in fact exist like ColorWorks, DeScribe, AmiPro/2, Mesa/2, and that Windows 3.1 applications (don't laugh, there are some good quality programs that were writted for that API) ran very well under OS/2.
Personally, I'm glad that folks are porting things from Linux to Warp. Why? Because even though I have three dedicated Linux boxes at home (soon to be four), I still vastly prefer OS/2 to Linux as a general desktop box, and the ported Linux utilities and applications give me more software to play with.
I don't think I understand your apparent problem with that...why the hell do *WE* have to use what *YOU* want to use??? -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I generally use FM/2 as my file manager (a nice third-party PM app that seamlessly handles ZIP files and other things). Switching tasks is a fast process --use Control-Esc (or a mouse chord) to being up a task list. I also use Xit's task menu sometimes.
I run Warp in 1280x1024, and the fonts are fine.
It sounds to me like you were expecting a Windows interface. OS/2 isn't Windows! -- -Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
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I still remember "XYZZY" and "PLOVER", and I've not played ADVENT in something like 20 years. :-)
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
...but they stopped the beta program and removed the OS/2 code from the final 2.0 release, supposedly because it conflicted with other functionality in VMWare. Apparently they've not learned about "configuration files" yet. :-(
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I know that the Unisys 2200-based transaction system I work on at NWA (WorldFlight, a derivative of UAL's UNIMATIC) still runs in a modified TIP environment on OS2200, which itself is a direct descendant of UNIVAC's EXEC8.
However, even though some of the Fortran and MASM source still used in production dates from 1966 and 1967, the operating system itself is much newer (less than a year old). It's been refined over time, and the hardware and OS isn't the same as it was. It just maintains an extremely high level of compatibility with older software, and as far as the application is concerned it's still running on a UNIVAC 1108.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I work on a programming team of 12 people, and the company I work for (a major US airline) has flex hours in the IT department. We have some folks on the team starting work as early as 5am and some folks starting as late as 9pm. Also, most folks work the standard M-F, but some work 4 days every other week (getting every other Monday or Friday off), and one works a four-day week.
:-)
I generally come in somewhere between 11am and 2pm depending on how late I was up the night before and on whether or not I had errands to run during the morning.
Not only do flexible hours let the programming staff adapt their work hours to their outside schedule, but it also has the indirect benefit of giving us people on-site almost 24x7, which is a very nice thing if we have a production problem.
I think this guy would be in for a serious culture shock if he decided to hang around here for a while.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Take a look at them here
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
We had some contractors in New Delhi that were working for us, and we are located in a suburb of Minneapolis. The relative time offset between MSP and DEL is almost exactly 12 hours in the wintertime (we're 6 hours behind GMT, and they were 5.5 hours ahead), which made it very hard to communicate directly with the programmers in India (our office hours simply did not overlap).
Overall, the people who ended up coding for us were capable people, and they were usually easy to understand (though one or two had strong accents), but we ended up dropping their services because the time difference really had an adverse impact on collaborative projects...
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Nice 2D cards, capable of 1600x1200 @ 85Hz, and compatible with everything from XFree86 to OS/2 to BeOS to Solaris.
Places like The Computer Geeks are currently selling different variants for US$18 and US$22 apiece (click here). Granted, some are system pulls, but they're so cheap who cares?
--
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
...and it makes a good attempt to split the text display up into regions like a GUI browser would, at least in some cases. That, plus the relatively accurate table rendering and the attempt to show at least some of the colors on a site using the standard text colors, makes Links a surprisingly useful web browser.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Both Mystic Lake Casino and Treasure Island are only a short distance from the Twin Cities (the former is only 20 miles or so from the center of Minneapolis).
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Besides, the whole situation was a setup.
Adam and Eve had no knowledge of Good and Evil until they ate from the Tree, so they really had no basic understanding of "right" and "wrong" at that time, and yet they were somehow expected to resist for an indefinitely long period of time the arguments presented by the snake that God created and planted in the Garden of Eden.
Even a person already possessed of such knowledge would have a tough time in that situation.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Silly person. "@" is a UNIVAC Master Space character. :-)
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
The original comment was that Windows somehow had the lead on all other platforms when it came to GUIs. Sheesh. ;-)
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
> Something like the Windows desktop, which was the first truly object oriented
> desktop, was extremely innovative.
As the previous poster said, OS/2's WorkPlace Shell (a heavily-SOM-based OO desktop) predated Windows 95 by at least three years (OS/2 2.0 was released to the public in the spring of 1992).
> If you were using computers prior to 1995, you would know that before this
> everything lived in a separate hierarchy, and had an inconsistent interface.
The MacOS arrived on the scene in 1984. All of its software components used consistent dialogs and GUI elements, and the whole was extremely standardized.
On the PC, the PC/GEOS environment presented PC users with not only a standard interface, but a set of standard application functionity objects (a spellchecker object, a bitmap toolset object, vector graphics toolset object, etc) that coders could use to add standard functionity to their programs.
Microsoft is a Johnny-come-lately in the GUI consistency arena, even on Intel hardware.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
You said:
"...no Unix is comparable to Windows in terms of usability."
I provided an example where your assertion doesn't apear to hold true.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
We have end-users working on Solaris/CDE here, and it seems to work for them just fine. They use a fixed set of applications just as a Windows user does, and their productivity is no different.
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Microsoft may engage in a lot of R&D, but until they release the results of said research into their products, I really don't see the R&D as being all that meaningful.
Most of their product releases are the result of a purchase, refine, and release cycle, not in-house research. Products like Word, Excel, Access, Visual BASIC, Visual C++, and MSIE were all the direct result of externally-developed techology.
--
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
People forget that OS/2 Warp 3 shipped in early 1994 with dial-up TCP/IP (first SLIP, then PPP), and had a full compliment of network clients (mail and news clients, ftp, telnet client, etc.).
:-( *Sigh*
Nothing seems acceptable in the marketplace until Microsoft does it, and then everyone remembers how Microsoft did it first...
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
How can Microsoft "claim the lead" w.r.t. the GUI with platforms like OS/2 and the MacOS still out there?
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I've used both Linux and OS/2 since 1992, for example, and I know a lot of OS/2 folks (and ex-OS/2 folks) who are Linux users. You're right that the business OS/2 user base is unlikely to be interested in Linux, though. Most Unix folks who lump OS/2 in with Windows don't have a clue about its capabilities...
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
Sorry. :-)
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
The NetPositive web browser which is bundled with BeOS 4.0 and 4.5 (not sure about 5.0 as mine hasn't arrived yet) tossed out rather amusing errors in haiku when it can't connect to a web site.
Also, WON (the BeOS SMB connectivity client) comes out with some amusing error messages if you blow a password or something.
--
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
You can see a picture of a typical Vectrex unit here...
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
That would be Burroughs, UNIVAC, NCR, Control Data, and Honeywell for those who don't remember...
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-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
You've forgotten that "Netscape 2.02" for OS/2 was an IBM port which used the Navigator 2.x interface bolted onto the Navigator 3.x rendering engine. It wasn't all that far behind its counterpart on other operating systems.
You also seem to forget that various apps did in fact exist like ColorWorks, DeScribe, AmiPro/2, Mesa/2, and that Windows 3.1 applications (don't laugh, there are some good quality programs that were writted for that API) ran very well under OS/2.
Personally, I'm glad that folks are porting things from Linux to Warp. Why? Because even though I have three dedicated Linux boxes at home (soon to be four), I still vastly prefer OS/2 to Linux as a general desktop box, and the ported Linux utilities and applications give me more software to play with.
I don't think I understand your apparent problem with that...why the hell do *WE* have to use what *YOU* want to use???
--
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)
I generally use FM/2 as my file manager (a nice third-party PM app that seamlessly handles ZIP files and other things). Switching tasks is a fast process --use Control-Esc (or a mouse chord) to being up a task list. I also use Xit's task menu sometimes.
I run Warp in 1280x1024, and the fonts are fine.
It sounds to me like you were expecting a Windows interface. OS/2 isn't Windows!
--
-Rich (OS/2, Linux, BeOS, Mac, NT, Win95, Solaris, FreeBSD, and OS2200 user in Bloomington MN)