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does anyone use 10B2 anymore?
We do. Well, only in older builings as it's been in place for quite awhile. But it's still used and hasn't yet been upgraded. There's really no need right now as far as we can see. Secretaries and other such office workers that do little more with their computers than type letters, send print jobs, handle email and scheduling, and surf the web most likely don't need anything more than 10bit.
Some folks like to upgrade for the sake of upgrading... I guess I'm not one of them. Especially when something already works and the upgrade process would actually be bothersome to all involved.
So yes, many folks still use 10B2.
firewire isn't the second coming of christ
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There's no longer a $1 USD fee per port. That was long ago and only if you wanted to use the "Firewire" name.
Firewire works GREAT for its current (intended) purposes. Here at work we have three G4 systems running Final Cut Pro, each connected to a DV deck. (Two are connected to DVcam decks, one is connected to a DVCPro dec). The 25mbit digital video data and all control signals go over that tiny cable. It's a dream to work with. We also have a few firewire-interfaced external CDRWs and external hard drives floating around. They're handy, but we're still mostly a SCSI shop.
Firewire was more hyped than Java... but it sure does a good job. Last I checked there were no USB2.0 professional DV decks... and interfacing a DV deck through CCIR601 digital video and controlling through RS-232, while possbile, is A LOT more expensive (though uncompressed... but that costs again through additional disk space).
Firewire doesn't wash my car or walk my dog, but it works. And that pays the bills and feeds the kids.
NeXT had an awesome set of manuals for NetInfo and things haven't changed much (for NI) since then. If you have access to a system running NEXTSTEP or OPENSTEP, take a look at the (RTF) file in: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/
The newsletters in: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/
are also pretty interesting... especially: /NextLibrary/Documentation/NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/1993S ummer/Typical_NetInfo_Setup.rtfd
I don't have access to a httpd right now, perhaps someone else can mirror the entire/NextLibrary/Documentation directory (from something recent... from OPENSTEP 4.2 please!)
NeXT had great online documentation, it's a shame most of their site is gone aside from the NeXTAnswers portion moved into the Apple website. The on-system docs were almost as good as those provided by SGI... but don't have a viewer as nice as IRIS Insight or the DynaWeb webserver CGI.
Re:John Siracusa needs to learn how to read top
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NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Mac OS X have always seems to have very high load averages. My buddy's OPENSTEP 4.2 box (a PPro 200) shows a load average of about 0.90 - 1.20 just when surfing the web with OmniWeb 3.1... even though the whole machine feels snappy and CPU usage is over 50% idle.
But agreed, OS X in its current form is sluggish due almost entirely to the baggage of the new GUI and Quartz/DisplayPDF. Non-GUI tasks (SETI, RC5, POV-RAY, gcc/g++) run quite well. Apple still has a long way to go with the compliers and Mach 3 tweaks... and the GUI/Quartz needs a HELLOFA tuneup/overhaul soon.
Re:More accurately, the reincarnaton of A/UX?
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What are you smoking and where can I get some?
The Mac IIfx rocked the house, but many of its features worked only under A/UX. The IIci was great even under System 7.1. I really don't know too many folks that used a IIci for very long with its builtin video... most got a Radius, RasterOps, or SuperMac card after awhile. Better color depth and large resolution support was nice. IIci was a great machine and Apple sold a lot of them for a long time. Still it was nice to see the IIfx (and eventually, Quadra 900/950/800) ship. The Quadra 840av blew me away as far as the goodies that were builtin, though my last 68k mac was a Quadra 800 with 128 MB RAM, a Radius VideoVision broadcast capture card, an FWB SCSI Jackhammer SCSI card, and a Radius Precision Color Pro 24 GFX card. Better SCSI, capture, and graphics than what the 840av had builtin. Was a total screamer in its day (and is still usable).
Those of us from the NeXT Cubist Movement and grew up with NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP are thinking "YAY, no more of that Mac OS 9-style Finder garbage!".
To each his own, I love the NeXT style and really wish that OS X was more NeXT-like. But it would have been nice if Apple had offered *BOTH* types of finders.
not that bad, except for the GUI
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OS X feels quite zippy for sustained non-GUI apps. Compiling, rendering with POV-Ray, etc. Mach 3 certainly needs some speed tweaks and the compilers have *A LONG* way to go, but it's still very impressive at present. It's the GUI that's the total slug. Just like the original 68030-based NeXT was... had a miserably-slow GUI but did batch tasks quite well. (The MO drive didn't help IO much). FYI, MacOS X has almost nothing to do with Mac OS 1.0 - 9.1 aside from some application compatibility. It's really just a *total* overhaul of NeXT OPENSTEP 4.2 (which was based on NEXTSTEP 3.3).
I can't belive someone else claimed they didn't like A/UX!! The thing was very, very cool. At the time you could spend the mindblowing $1500 for A/UX software from Apple to run on your existing Mac II (and later, Quadra) rather than spening $10K on a Sun, IBM, or HP. There wasn't much else for the desktop at the time. Minix (heh), Xenix (heh), SCO. I don't recall "all of the reboots" required... it was a nice little package and ran existing Mac apps very well, had nice compilers, and was a pleasure to use. The total integration wasn't that great, but it worked well and (in later versions) was rock solid.
Aside from the Apple-shaped logo and the user base, the company is almost totally NeXT these days... including and especially the engineers. They still need a nice slick-looking high-end workstation. A quad-CPU 667 MHz PPC7450 box with onboard Ultra3 SCSI in a NeXTish enclosure with the ease of the G4 tower would be nice. Maybe make some real servers. Hint to Apple: real servers are either the size of fridges or rackmountable. They also have ECC RAM, lights-out-management (either Sun-like or thru a terminal server), and hotswapable drive sleds.
It's also a lot easier to -use- Mac OS X when one thinks "the NeXT way" rather than trying to think of it as a modified Mac OS, Windows, or KDE/GNOME atop Linux/BSD.
All in all, I *love* Mac OS X. Remotely running non-GUI tasks the thing hauls like nothing else. It's really just the GUI that's sluggish... as was NEXTSTEP on the original 68030 NeXT Cube. Given time (and eventually, better hardware) this thing is going to fly in all respects and it's certainly an OS "for the next 10 years".
It's Apache 1.3.x. I don't know which version it ships with, probably something recent, though. Stepwise has instructions on compiling 1.3.19 & PHP 4 if you want newer versions.
You'll need to install at least the compilers from the included developer CD. May as well install the nifty IDE, gdb GUI, and interface builder while you're at it too. Nice dev tools if you like GNU stuff. gcc/g++ still needs A LOT of PowerPC optimizations in general and "G4" PPC7400/7410/7450 optimizations specifically.
Re:You can shove your One-Button Mouse up your ass
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Heh... the NeXT computers had two button mice but the second button only pulled up the current app's menu in a contextual fashion.
Final Cut Pro 2.0.... DVD Support?
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Ok, I realize that OS X does not yet support CDR/CDRW/DVDR burning, so I'd imagine that iDVD and DVD Studio Pro support won't be around for quite awhile...... But I see that Apple has already ported AppleWorks, iTunes, and iMovie... so does anyone know the ETA for Final Cut Pro??
As someone else pointed out, MSFT has had DVD support for a long time. On Win95OSR2/Win98/WinME/Win2K/WinXP/WinNT4SP5-SP6 type "dvdplay.exe" in the Run app (from the Start Menu).
Classic may not be the ideal solution, but it does work for the vast majority of applications. Hell it even works for pre-release 1980's versions of MacDraw that are written for a different CPU!
I know!! Isn't that totally awesome! I saw a screenshot of MacPaint and MacWrite from 1983 (pre Macintosh release) running in Classic and nearly wet my pants. Not only were they made for the CISC-based 68000 CPU @ 8 MHz, but they were designed before System 1.0 (Mac OS 1) was even finalized.
Yeah, so I've heard. Not only do you get the compilers but the nice IDE (Project Builder) and almost-as-easy-as-HyperCard-or-VisualBasic GUI designer (Interface Builder). All in the retail box! I hope Microsoft follows suit, MS "Visual" C++ still costs over $300.
Re:Since when was DVD a 'Core' and 'Basic' thing?
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My SunOS box (SPARCstation 10 with dual SM71) doesn't even have an internal CD-ROM drive!
Does it have emacs, TeX, and sendmail? Others?
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Can anyone tell me if the final (retail, shipping) version of Mac OS X has emacs and TeX installed by default? Does it use sendmail as the mail daemon or some funky Apple daemon. And finally, does it have real shells (csh, bash, tcsh, etc) or just a lame "telnet emulator" like Windows 2000 / Windows XP?
Slashdot still seems to be using the old Silicon Graphics "bug" cube logo. The company is still offically Silicon Graphics, Inc., but goes by the name "SGI" and has a new logo to reflect this. The logo is essentially the lowercase letters, "sgi". Visit www.sgi.com to see the new logo. The cube is gone, let it rest in peace.
Quit using it when they decided not to support the Apple's "G3" PowerPC 750 machines. Be claimed that Apple wouldn't give them the the necessasary info, yet I don't see LinuxPPC having any problems. Maybe I'm missing something.
Anyway, I guess it's sad that they're going away, but I haven't used BeOS in over two years and just recently sold my BeBox.
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does anyone use 10B2 anymore?
We do. Well, only in older builings as it's been in place for quite awhile. But it's still used and hasn't yet been upgraded. There's really no need right now as far as we can see. Secretaries and other such office workers that do little more with their computers than type letters, send print jobs, handle email and scheduling, and surf the web most likely don't need anything more than 10bit.
Some folks like to upgrade for the sake of upgrading... I guess I'm not one of them. Especially when something already works and the upgrade process would actually be bothersome to all involved.
So yes, many folks still use 10B2.
There's no longer a $1 USD fee per port. That was long ago and only if you wanted to use the "Firewire" name.
Firewire works GREAT for its current (intended) purposes. Here at work we have three G4 systems running Final Cut Pro, each connected to a DV deck. (Two are connected to DVcam decks, one is connected to a DVCPro dec). The 25mbit digital video data and all control signals go over that tiny cable. It's a dream to work with. We also have a few firewire-interfaced external CDRWs and external hard drives floating around. They're handy, but we're still mostly a SCSI shop.
Firewire was more hyped than Java... but it sure does a good job. Last I checked there were no USB2.0 professional DV decks... and interfacing a DV deck through CCIR601 digital video and controlling through RS-232, while possbile, is A LOT more expensive (though uncompressed... but that costs again through additional disk space).
Firewire doesn't wash my car or walk my dog, but it works. And that pays the bills and feeds the kids.
Where does it say that Finder is NOT Cocoa?? I'm pretty sure it and all new-for-OSX apps are done in Cocoa.
NeXT had an awesome set of manuals for NetInfo and things haven't changed much (for NI) since then. If you have access to a system running NEXTSTEP or OPENSTEP, take a look at the (RTF) file in:
/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextAdmin/
/NextLibrary/Documentation/NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/
/NextLibrary/Documentation/NEXTSTEP_In_Focus/1993S ummer/Typical_NetInfo_Setup.rtfd
/NextLibrary/Documentation directory (from something recent... from OPENSTEP 4.2 please!)
The newsletters in:
are also pretty interesting... especially:
I don't have access to a httpd right now, perhaps someone else can mirror the entire
NeXT had great online documentation, it's a shame most of their site is gone aside from the NeXTAnswers portion moved into the Apple website. The on-system docs were almost as good as those provided by SGI... but don't have a viewer as nice as IRIS Insight or the DynaWeb webserver CGI.
NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Mac OS X have always seems to have very high load averages. My buddy's OPENSTEP 4.2 box (a PPro 200) shows a load average of about 0.90 - 1.20 just when surfing the web with OmniWeb 3.1... even though the whole machine feels snappy and CPU usage is over 50% idle.
But agreed, OS X in its current form is sluggish due almost entirely to the baggage of the new GUI and Quartz/DisplayPDF. Non-GUI tasks (SETI, RC5, POV-RAY, gcc/g++) run quite well. Apple still has a long way to go with the compliers and Mach 3 tweaks... and the GUI/Quartz needs a HELLOFA tuneup/overhaul soon.
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
The Mac IIfx rocked the house, but many of its features worked only under A/UX. The IIci was great even under System 7.1. I really don't know too many folks that used a IIci for very long with its builtin video... most got a Radius, RasterOps, or SuperMac card after awhile. Better color depth and large resolution support was nice. IIci was a great machine and Apple sold a lot of them for a long time. Still it was nice to see the IIfx (and eventually, Quadra 900/950/800) ship. The Quadra 840av blew me away as far as the goodies that were builtin, though my last 68k mac was a Quadra 800 with 128 MB RAM, a Radius VideoVision broadcast capture card, an FWB SCSI Jackhammer SCSI card, and a Radius Precision Color Pro 24 GFX card. Better SCSI, capture, and graphics than what the 840av had builtin. Was a total screamer in its day (and is still usable).
Those of us from the NeXT Cubist Movement and grew up with NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP are thinking "YAY, no more of that Mac OS 9-style Finder garbage!".
To each his own, I love the NeXT style and really wish that OS X was more NeXT-like. But it would have been nice if Apple had offered *BOTH* types of finders.
OS X feels quite zippy for sustained non-GUI apps. Compiling, rendering with POV-Ray, etc. Mach 3 certainly needs some speed tweaks and the compilers have *A LONG* way to go, but it's still very impressive at present. It's the GUI that's the total slug. Just like the original 68030-based NeXT was... had a miserably-slow GUI but did batch tasks quite well. (The MO drive didn't help IO much). FYI, MacOS X has almost nothing to do with Mac OS 1.0 - 9.1 aside from some application compatibility. It's really just a *total* overhaul of NeXT OPENSTEP 4.2 (which was based on NEXTSTEP 3.3).
I can't belive someone else claimed they didn't like A/UX!! The thing was very, very cool. At the time you could spend the mindblowing $1500 for A/UX software from Apple to run on your existing Mac II (and later, Quadra) rather than spening $10K on a Sun, IBM, or HP. There wasn't much else for the desktop at the time. Minix (heh), Xenix (heh), SCO. I don't recall "all of the reboots" required... it was a nice little package and ran existing Mac apps very well, had nice compilers, and was a pleasure to use. The total integration wasn't that great, but it worked well and (in later versions) was rock solid.
Great summary!
NeXT bought Apple, not the other way around.
Amen!
Aside from the Apple-shaped logo and the user base, the company is almost totally NeXT these days... including and especially the engineers. They still need a nice slick-looking high-end workstation. A quad-CPU 667 MHz PPC7450 box with onboard Ultra3 SCSI in a NeXTish enclosure with the ease of the G4 tower would be nice. Maybe make some real servers. Hint to Apple: real servers are either the size of fridges or rackmountable. They also have ECC RAM, lights-out-management (either Sun-like or thru a terminal server), and hotswapable drive sleds.
It's also a lot easier to -use- Mac OS X when one thinks "the NeXT way" rather than trying to think of it as a modified Mac OS, Windows, or KDE/GNOME atop Linux/BSD.
All in all, I *love* Mac OS X. Remotely running non-GUI tasks the thing hauls like nothing else. It's really just the GUI that's sluggish... as was NEXTSTEP on the original 68030 NeXT Cube. Given time (and eventually, better hardware) this thing is going to fly in all respects and it's certainly an OS "for the next 10 years".
It's Apache 1.3.x. I don't know which version it ships with, probably something recent, though. Stepwise has instructions on compiling 1.3.19 & PHP 4 if you want newer versions.
3 -24.01.html
http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Workbench/2001-0
You'll need to install at least the compilers from the included developer CD. May as well install the nifty IDE, gdb GUI, and interface builder while you're at it too. Nice dev tools if you like GNU stuff. gcc/g++ still needs A LOT of PowerPC optimizations in general and "G4" PPC7400/7410/7450 optimizations specifically.
Heh... the NeXT computers had two button mice but the second button only pulled up the current app's menu in a contextual fashion.
Ok, I realize that OS X does not yet support CDR/CDRW/DVDR burning, so I'd imagine that iDVD and DVD Studio Pro support won't be around for quite awhile...... But I see that Apple has already ported AppleWorks, iTunes, and iMovie... so does anyone know the ETA for Final Cut Pro??
As someone else pointed out, MSFT has had DVD support for a long time. On Win95OSR2/Win98/WinME/Win2K/WinXP/WinNT4SP5-SP6 type "dvdplay.exe" in the Run app (from the Start Menu).
Classic may not be the ideal solution, but it does work for the vast majority of applications. Hell it even works for pre-release 1980's versions of MacDraw that are written for a different CPU!
I know!! Isn't that totally awesome! I saw a screenshot of MacPaint and MacWrite from 1983 (pre Macintosh release) running in Classic and nearly wet my pants. Not only were they made for the CISC-based 68000 CPU @ 8 MHz, but they were designed before System 1.0 (Mac OS 1) was even finalized.
Neat Stuff!!
Yep! In fact, I think Win95 OSR2 and WinNT SP5 & SP6 have dvdplay.exe as well.
Yeah, so I've heard. Not only do you get the compilers but the nice IDE (Project Builder) and almost-as-easy-as-HyperCard-or-VisualBasic GUI designer (Interface Builder). All in the retail box! I hope Microsoft follows suit, MS "Visual" C++ still costs over $300.
My SunOS box (SPARCstation 10 with dual SM71) doesn't even have an internal CD-ROM drive!
Can anyone tell me if the final (retail, shipping) version of Mac OS X has emacs and TeX installed by default? Does it use sendmail as the mail daemon or some funky Apple daemon. And finally, does it have real shells (csh, bash, tcsh, etc) or just a lame "telnet emulator" like Windows 2000 / Windows XP?
Thanks!
"Bill Gates" does nothing special under tcsh on my SunOS box. What does it do under Mac OS X?
As if he doesn't already have enough email to deal with...
Still I suppose it's worth a shot.
Slashdot still seems to be using the old Silicon Graphics "bug" cube logo. The company is still offically Silicon Graphics, Inc., but goes by the name "SGI" and has a new logo to reflect this. The logo is essentially the lowercase letters, "sgi". Visit www.sgi.com to see the new logo. The cube is gone, let it rest in peace.
Silicon Graphics Octane2 workstations and Onyx2/Onyx3000 "graphical supercomputers" handle 48bpp color nativly.
Quit using it when they decided not to support the Apple's "G3" PowerPC 750 machines. Be claimed that Apple wouldn't give them the the necessasary info, yet I don't see LinuxPPC having any problems. Maybe I'm missing something.
Anyway, I guess it's sad that they're going away, but I haven't used BeOS in over two years and just recently sold my BeBox.
Hahaha! Yeah... too many. Uh-huh.
O2, Octane, Origin, Onyx
VisualWorkstation 320/540
At least in 1999. I had no problems keeping that straight.