But people know that they are trading their liberty for food. And given the chance, they will fight for freedom. No animal that I ever saw would do either of those.
Citation needed. People will starve to death if you put them in a cage. The anti-slavery movement endured lots of blood shed. I think given the chimp a choice between a banana and the jungle, the chimp will happily go to the zoo.
You know what is the best tool for testing? The compiler. The compiler can test your code even before you run anything. But people throw away the best tool for testing for "unit tests? CI? Testing code snippets in a REPL" just so it looks pretty.
Like... missing a semi colon.
You mean JavaScript? Agree fully, it's idiotic, and there are many hard to spot errors in JS because of the "convenience".
Please first demonstrate to me that chimps and other animals value bodily liberty, and only then we can talk to give them the right. I never saw any animal besides people to value liberty over food, water or safety. It doesn't make any sense to give some right to some subject that does not even value it or understand it. We don't even give bodily liberty to some mentally handicapped persons, so why should we give that right to an animal?
Im my opinion. any language that allows for "accidental violations that render [the] code invalid" is just garbage. I mean, really, somebody or something put or remove a whitespace randomly (a whitespace so called because it is invisible) will render your whole program invalid, and you defend such a language?
To what am I "entitled"? If anyone then you act as an "entitled millennial snowflake", i.e. "how dare LP to write useful software, fully compliant of the license I put my libraries under"
And what is the problem again? The developers of the Linux Kernel and other GPL licensed software are fully aware that the GPL does not cover IPC protocols, and thus enable the usage of their software by closed source projects.
If you really don't want that people are writing closed source software using your apps or libraries via IPC protocols, then just add your own license. Something like "This is free software, derivative works must be licensed under the GPL. Derivative works include apps that use my IPC protocols".
I'm thankful to you as a Linux Developer for your hard work. But to say that you have any guarantee that the software you provide for free works, is a big stretch. If I want that kind of guarantee I must go to RedHat or Canonical and sign a support agreement. Sure, you have maybe a reputation to lose. But Debian is a free project that is run by volunteers, there are no guarantees.
In any case, you should embrace systemd. Because now you even have less work to maintain the initscripts. But in any case, nobody is forcing you to use systemd. Debian and other distributions are running just fine with sysvinit initscripts. Just yesterday I installed i8k for my laptop on Fedora 20 that have a sysvinit init script. And it's runs just fine.
The systemd project is not the systemd init system. It's like the KDE Software Compilation KDE SC http://www.kde.org/ that consists of the KDE framework, the KDE Plasma, etc. And you can use software that depends on systemd-init just fine by using systemd-shism, which provides the API that usually systemd-init provides.
That also means that this "glue" enables proprietary, close source binaries to run on, and access all the low-level functionality of, the GPL'd open source kernel software.
The fuck? I'm using tons of proprietary, close source apps on my Linux system. What is it to you what kind of software I'm using?
replaces basically everything touching kernel and whatnot. It is also a service management and monitoring framework[...] It takes what worked and everybody knows (mostly written in shell), and replaces it with binary blobs (binary programs, written in C).
And why is that bad? Futhermore, the shell is just a wrapper that is using those evil binary blobs (the bash, start-stop-daemon, etc.). What systemd is doing is just replacing that shell wrapper with a declarative syntax.
It is authored by the same guy who created PulseAudio
PA runs now on every desktop Linux system and is adopted now as the standard sound daemon. So, stop whining.
GNOME can shutdown or restart computer smoothly.
GNOME does not depend on systemd being PID 1. Gnome runs fine in sysvinit because of systemd-shism.
Stop with the FUD already. Almost every critique of systemd is unfounded.
This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.
I run a lot of apps that are in Java and they run with the same speed as any other app. Eclipse, VisualParadigm, FreeMind, FreeCol, yEd, jedit, and my own written apps.
If you want to spread internet access to developing countries, how about making internet for free for poor people? Instead Wiki, Google and Facebook went on the narcistic train and think that those services are more important then any other service. I personally agree that Wikipedia should be free to access to everyone, but I can recognize that other people might disagree and other people think other services are more important. How about somebody in China makes a competing Wikipedia, or have Wikipedia now the monopoly on online knowledge.
but it is nonetheless exactly what governments that have mandated net neutrality need to do."
Yeah, ensuring the same playing field for all, that what governments *should* do. How about Wiki petition the Chile government to make a free internet for all, and for all services?
I have a very positive opinion of Metal L&F, I use VisualParadigm and FreeMind, both are Java applications. I don't think that the L&F matters as much as people always say. The performance of Java apps is on par with C/C++ and Maven is a huge win, because I can use just any lib that I want and the dependencies are automatically resolved. Much like the package manager on Linux. And that I don't have to compile anything is also a huge win, it's was always a pain to compile C/C++ applications.
Any OpenGL lib will be platform dependent, so I don't think your point is valid.
"I do have concerns that the mess of dependencies that maven drags down is not independently rebuildable, and that's not even getting into the security concerns."
I don't understand what your concern here is. Maven is like the package manager from Linux, and the whole point of maven is to be independently rebuildable.
How abou Swing/Java or JavaFx? IMHO it beats all the C/C++ stuff, is cross-platform and have a bunch of open and commercial widget libraries. And, with Eclipse or Netbeans, and maven you have much better developing tools that are free, and you don't have to compile anything. With jogl or JMoneyEngline you can access OpenGL if you need.
You complained that after upgrading your systems replaced sysvinit with systemd. If it's only on a testing network, who cares. Also, shame on you for not reading the news regarding Jessie. Like it's not all open and announced that systemd will be the new default init system.
If I understand you correctly, you upgraded from Debian Wheezy to Jessie (which isn't even released yet) on a server and wondered why a bunch of stuff have changed? Or are you running unstable or testing on a server? So, your point is that you are a noob that shouldn't administer servers.
Only one side pushes ideological arguments like "systemd is not the UNIX way" or "systemd is pushed by Pottering on users" or idiotic arguments like "PID 1 should not be complicated like systemd"
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But people know that they are trading their liberty for food. And given the chance, they will fight for freedom. No animal that I ever saw would do either of those.
Citation needed. People will starve to death if you put them in a cage. The anti-slavery movement endured lots of blood shed. I think given the chimp a choice between a banana and the jungle, the chimp will happily go to the zoo.
You know what is the best tool for testing? The compiler. The compiler can test your code even before you run anything. But people throw away the best tool for testing for "unit tests? CI? Testing code snippets in a REPL" just so it looks pretty.
Like... missing a semi colon.
You mean JavaScript? Agree fully, it's idiotic, and there are many hard to spot errors in JS because of the "convenience".
Please first demonstrate to me that chimps and other animals value bodily liberty, and only then we can talk to give them the right. I never saw any animal besides people to value liberty over food, water or safety. It doesn't make any sense to give some right to some subject that does not even value it or understand it. We don't even give bodily liberty to some mentally handicapped persons, so why should we give that right to an animal?
Im my opinion. any language that allows for "accidental violations that render [the] code invalid" is just garbage. I mean, really, somebody or something put or remove a whitespace randomly (a whitespace so called because it is invisible) will render your whole program invalid, and you defend such a language?
To what am I "entitled"? If anyone then you act as an "entitled millennial snowflake", i.e. "how dare LP to write useful software, fully compliant of the license I put my libraries under"
I still don't care. If it's a problem for you, tough.
And what is the problem again? The developers of the Linux Kernel and other GPL licensed software are fully aware that the GPL does not cover IPC protocols, and thus enable the usage of their software by closed source projects.
If you really don't want that people are writing closed source software using your apps or libraries via IPC protocols, then just add your own license. Something like "This is free software, derivative works must be licensed under the GPL. Derivative works include apps that use my IPC protocols".
I'm thankful to you as a Linux Developer for your hard work. But to say that you have any guarantee that the software you provide for free works, is a big stretch. If I want that kind of guarantee I must go to RedHat or Canonical and sign a support agreement. Sure, you have maybe a reputation to lose. But Debian is a free project that is run by volunteers, there are no guarantees.
In any case, you should embrace systemd. Because now you even have less work to maintain the initscripts. But in any case, nobody is forcing you to use systemd. Debian and other distributions are running just fine with sysvinit initscripts. Just yesterday I installed i8k for my laptop on Fedora 20 that have a sysvinit init script. And it's runs just fine.
The systemd project is not the systemd init system. It's like the KDE Software Compilation KDE SC http://www.kde.org/ that consists of the KDE framework, the KDE Plasma, etc. And you can use software that depends on systemd-init just fine by using systemd-shism, which provides the API that usually systemd-init provides.
And what have this to do with systemd? The GPL does not cover IPC protocols like dbus.
That also means that this "glue" enables proprietary, close source binaries to run on, and access all the low-level functionality of, the GPL'd open source kernel software.
The fuck? I'm using tons of proprietary, close source apps on my Linux system. What is it to you what kind of software I'm using?
replaces basically everything touching kernel and whatnot. It is also a service management and monitoring framework[...] It takes what worked and everybody knows (mostly written in shell), and replaces it with binary blobs (binary programs, written in C).
And why is that bad?
Futhermore, the shell is just a wrapper that is using those evil binary blobs (the bash, start-stop-daemon, etc.). What systemd is doing is just replacing that shell wrapper with a declarative syntax.
It is authored by the same guy who created PulseAudio
PA runs now on every desktop Linux system and is adopted now as the standard sound daemon. So, stop whining.
GNOME can shutdown or restart computer smoothly.
GNOME does not depend on systemd being PID 1. Gnome runs fine in sysvinit because of systemd-shism.
Stop with the FUD already. Almost every critique of systemd is unfounded.
providing the guarantee that it would boot
Really, where is your written guarantee?
This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.
I run a lot of apps that are in Java and they run with the same speed as any other app.
Eclipse, VisualParadigm, FreeMind, FreeCol, yEd, jedit, and my own written apps.
Would should I switch from a open source project management software to a propritary software?
http://www.redmine.org/project... is fast as hell.
Compared to, for example Seping JIRA https://jira.spring.io/browse/... it's way faster and not confuluted.
If you want to spread internet access to developing countries, how about making internet for free for poor people?
Instead Wiki, Google and Facebook went on the narcistic train and think that those services are more important then any other service.
I personally agree that Wikipedia should be free to access to everyone, but I can recognize that other people might disagree and other people think other services are more important. How about somebody in China makes a competing Wikipedia, or have Wikipedia now the monopoly on online knowledge.
but it is nonetheless exactly what governments that have mandated net neutrality need to do."
Yeah, ensuring the same playing field for all, that what governments *should* do. How about Wiki petition the Chile government to make a free internet for all, and for all services?
I have a very positive opinion of Metal L&F, I use VisualParadigm and FreeMind, both are Java applications. I don't think that the L&F matters as much as people always say. The performance of Java apps is on par with C/C++ and Maven is a huge win, because I can use just any lib that I want and the dependencies are automatically resolved. Much like the package manager on Linux. And that I don't have to compile anything is also a huge win, it's was always a pain to compile C/C++ applications.
Any OpenGL lib will be platform dependent, so I don't think your point is valid.
"I do have concerns that the mess of dependencies that maven drags down is not independently rebuildable, and that's not even getting into the security concerns."
I don't understand what your concern here is. Maven is like the package manager from Linux, and the whole point of maven is to be independently rebuildable.
How abou Swing/Java or JavaFx?
IMHO it beats all the C/C++ stuff, is cross-platform and have a bunch of open and commercial widget libraries. And, with Eclipse or Netbeans, and maven you have much better developing tools that are free, and you don't have to compile anything.
With jogl or JMoneyEngline you can access OpenGL if you need.
What did you do to exceed 4 GB of memory with Firefox?
You complained that after upgrading your systems replaced sysvinit with systemd. If it's only on a testing network, who cares. Also, shame on you for not reading the news regarding Jessie. Like it's not all open and announced that systemd will be the new default init system.
The refusal of both camps to achieve a workable compromise is a problem of mutually incompatible visions
That is why there is systemd-shim
If I understand you correctly, you upgraded from Debian Wheezy to Jessie (which isn't even released yet) on a server and wondered why a bunch of stuff have changed? Or are you running unstable or testing on a server? So, your point is that you are a noob that shouldn't administer servers.
Ok.
Only one side pushes ideological arguments like "systemd is not the UNIX way" or "systemd is pushed by Pottering on users" or idiotic arguments like "PID 1 should not be complicated like systemd"