OK, quick question. I have Ubuntu. I log on to GUI with account ABC. Then I want to copy some files belonging to account DEF into a folder in my home folder and use them. Say, MP3 files.. How do I do that from GUI only? Please enlighten me.
Ok Android has a little under 600,000 apps while Apple has a little over 600,000 and Desktop Linux has something of the order of 2,000 plus major applications which work extremely well for the desktop. In fact I actually use Fedora 17 on my laptop which I also use for work.
I said app NAMES. N-A-M-E-S. do you get it now?
Were the hell have you been these last couple of years? Linux distros have been using GUI since the mid 1990's.
Yes, and all of them badly. There have been improvements lately, but pretty much all GUIs (except Ubuntu's, maybe) yell "low developer priority" at me when I look at them.
If you don't like the command line then you don't have to use it. In fact you would rarely if ever use the command line for applications such as Office, Graphics, Web browsing, Video display/manipulation as well as listening to music. But the command line is there if you want to use it for more complex things. Of course maybe the command line is a little to hard for you to grasp since it appears to be "shit" to you.
Typical nerd response. That's why Average Joe likes Android, but hates Desktop Linux, because of this crap misconception ("command line is too hard for you"). I know Windows users who still don't know about CLI existing under Windows. Good luck with that under Linux.
How much customisation do you want? If I want I can also customise my GUI running under Fedora but like my Android phones (HTC desire HD and Samsung Galaxy S3) I prefer to keep my GUI workspace clean, simple and highly functional.
I said EASY customization. E-A-S-Y. e.g. "no text fields in which I have to enter values".
You also need to stop being so snotty and hateful toward proprietary developers. Nobody wants to be part of nerdrage jihad.
I'm a WINDOWS user, you inconsiderate clod! And as far as mobile phones, Nokia had all basic functionality, Blackberry had, iPhone had (before Android really kicked off). Get your facts straight.
Dude, what the fuck. I am not talking about configuring DEVICES. I'm talking about shit like: install this Linux flavor, try to bring it up-to-date through its GUI application, the GUI application hangs, I have to go to terminal to kill it and run yum update from there, because the GUI app won't run properly.
I don't expect any OS to require me to use a shell to operate it. However, "Desktop" Linux forces me to use terminal way, WAY too often. But hey, difficult to read what I wrote, huh? Fascinating...
Do you even bother to READ before replying? I said "no command line REQUIRED" to do stuff. Unlike "Desktop" Linux, where I absolutely have to open a terminal less than 1h after a fresh install, to do this or that that's somehow NOT covered by the GUI.
...which tells us that GUI usability is all that matters. OK, together with app availability, but whenever the latter is in balance for two competitors, GUI usability stands out as the only thing that matters. Desktop Linux should learn from Android. What Android got right: - Nice app names, mostly. - Excellent, easy to use GUI. - No Command line shit required to do stuff. - Great fonts - Easy customization.
That's a bit like telling your neighbour that you think Timmy was a shit name for their son and they should really rather have gone with Walter like you told them to.
This is one of the dumbest analogies I've ever seen. Is the neighbor trying to have you buy Timmy? I hope not, but if that's the case, the complain that Timmy is a shit name is very justified. I don't buy pink cars, no matter how nice they are, and I'm justified to do so, as a customer. I also try to install and use software which has names I can easily pronounce. "Adobe Reader" is OK. "Microsoft Excel" is OK. "LibreOffice" is NOT OK. It's a mash between two words belonging to different languages. "Maria DB" is NOT OK. Sounds dumb and gay. Again, I am the fucking customer, I have the right to not buy a product because I think it has a shit name. And your attitude that "a name is a name" will keep my wallet away from your greedy little hands. Not my loss, but YOUR loss.
"this os is about the beginner market" - but if the experienced market shuns it, the beginner market will not really adopt it. I still have plenty beginners and non-technical people coming to me and asking which system should they buy. I told all: "avoid Windows 8!". Guess what they'll do.
Dude... it does not matter. I should not need to search Google, nor install third party software, not even struggle for more than one minute to find a feature which was prominently displayed and existed on all versions prior to this. When you produce cars with manual transmissions for years, then all of a sudden try to shove an automatic down my throat, the fact that I can install an aftermarket item or hack it myself to make it manual again is not going to make my run and buy it off your showroom, no sir.
Typical hacker wannabe response. I am a software consumer. I am a possible customer for YOUR products. If I come to your car showroom and tell you that you should think of naming your cars better, your response "why don't YOU make YOUR OWN car" sends me straight to the competition. That's one reason why Linux hasn't hit desktop mainstream and is unlikely to do so in the near future: bad attitude towards competition's customers who wish to switch. This attitude drives them back to your competitors.
Desktop Linux is finally starting to look like it is making some traction, especially with Valve working to make games for Linux, and I've always been of the opinion that an OS is only going to have mass appeal if you can play top tier games on it (without having to mess around with WINE).
And, for fuck's sake, change the retarded application naming methods! When you have Guayadeque, a music player using wxWidgets then "abcde" which is a frontend for "cdparanoia" (SERIOUSLY???), Gedit (which works under KDE, so the "G" is stupid), Kate (wtf is this name for a fucking Text Editor?), Kopete (bitch, please!), XCDRoast (because the "X" really MUST be there!), then you can't hope that Joe Sixpack would be happy with that.
"The KDE naming convention (KMail, KAIM, KPlayer, etc) tends to be a bit better than average, though they do tend to take the “K” thing a bit too far. Even this, which tends to produce easy to discern names, has problems (k3b, Kaffeine, amaroK, kynaptic, etc) and can get confusing at times." (from here: http://www.geek.com/articles/xyzcomputing/linuxs-difficulty-with-names-20051226/).
When you get rid of this hacker-wannabe naming methods ("yeah, um, well, I'm using xkcd-1.3.1-x86-omg-wtf-bbq") then you start to mature and think of customers, rather than just your fellow hacker-wannabe-bros.
It doesn't matter what THIS story is about. You can't simply say "these medical records are useful, those are useless". That's what was considered of blood stains from crimes before DNA analysis existed: "destroy them after X years". there's a story about a guy who's convicted of a crime and his sister becomes a lawyer just to review his file, and finally finds case evidence which miraculously was NOT destroyed although law allowed it to be destroyed after some years. Or better yet, when you produce medical records, give a copy to the patient, who signs a document agreeing that they will only be kept for n years by the medical facility. Problem solved, legally speaking, and patient is responsible for his copies.
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Oh man, i want one of those. Any would do. Works best with a 2000 USD italian suit and low tops.
Yeah, it's.
Desktop Linux is as open as possible. Not winning. Go figure.
OK, quick question.
I have Ubuntu. I log on to GUI with account ABC. Then I want to copy some files belonging to account DEF into a folder in my home folder and use them. Say, MP3 files.. How do I do that from GUI only? Please enlighten me.
By Average Joe? Since FOREVER.
Next dumb question please.
Ok Android has a little under 600,000 apps while Apple has a little over 600,000 and Desktop Linux has something of the order of 2,000 plus major applications which work extremely well for the desktop. In fact I actually use Fedora 17 on my laptop which I also use for work.
I said app NAMES. N-A-M-E-S. do you get it now?
Were the hell have you been these last couple of years? Linux distros have been using GUI since the mid 1990's.
Yes, and all of them badly. There have been improvements lately, but pretty much all GUIs (except Ubuntu's, maybe) yell "low developer priority" at me when I look at them.
If you don't like the command line then you don't have to use it. In fact you would rarely if ever use the command line for applications such as Office, Graphics, Web browsing, Video display/manipulation as well as listening to music. But the command line is there if you want to use it for more complex things. Of course maybe the command line is a little to hard for you to grasp since it appears to be "shit" to you.
Typical nerd response. That's why Average Joe likes Android, but hates Desktop Linux, because of this crap misconception ("command line is too hard for you"). I know Windows users who still don't know about CLI existing under Windows. Good luck with that under Linux.
How much customisation do you want? If I want I can also customise my GUI running under Fedora but like my Android phones (HTC desire HD and Samsung Galaxy S3) I prefer to keep my GUI workspace clean, simple and highly functional.
I said EASY customization. E-A-S-Y. e.g. "no text fields in which I have to enter values".
You also need to stop being so snotty and hateful toward proprietary developers. Nobody wants to be part of nerdrage jihad.
I'm a WINDOWS user, you inconsiderate clod!
And as far as mobile phones, Nokia had all basic functionality, Blackberry had, iPhone had (before Android really kicked off). Get your facts straight.
Dude, what the fuck. I am not talking about configuring DEVICES. I'm talking about shit like: install this Linux flavor, try to bring it up-to-date through its GUI application, the GUI application hangs, I have to go to terminal to kill it and run yum update from there, because the GUI app won't run properly.
I don't expect any OS to require me to use a shell to operate it. However, "Desktop" Linux forces me to use terminal way, WAY too often. But hey, difficult to read what I wrote, huh? Fascinating...
Do you even bother to READ before replying?
I said "no command line REQUIRED" to do stuff. Unlike "Desktop" Linux, where I absolutely have to open a terminal less than 1h after a fresh install, to do this or that that's somehow NOT covered by the GUI.
...which tells us that GUI usability is all that matters. OK, together with app availability, but whenever the latter is in balance for two competitors, GUI usability stands out as the only thing that matters.
Desktop Linux should learn from Android. What Android got right:
- Nice app names, mostly.
- Excellent, easy to use GUI.
- No Command line shit required to do stuff.
- Great fonts
- Easy customization.
So... where are the other four planets?
Thank you for being one of the few who understand this issue. May your health be great for many years to come!
The open source community is not trying to sell you anything pal.
But it is, albeit indirectly, that's what you don't get.
That's a bit like telling your neighbour that you think Timmy was a shit name for their son and they should really rather have gone with Walter like you told them to.
This is one of the dumbest analogies I've ever seen. Is the neighbor trying to have you buy Timmy? I hope not, but if that's the case, the complain that Timmy is a shit name is very justified. I don't buy pink cars, no matter how nice they are, and I'm justified to do so, as a customer. I also try to install and use software which has names I can easily pronounce. "Adobe Reader" is OK. "Microsoft Excel" is OK. "LibreOffice" is NOT OK. It's a mash between two words belonging to different languages. "Maria DB" is NOT OK. Sounds dumb and gay. Again, I am the fucking customer, I have the right to not buy a product because I think it has a shit name. And your attitude that "a name is a name" will keep my wallet away from your greedy little hands. Not my loss, but YOUR loss.
"this os is about the beginner market" - but if the experienced market shuns it, the beginner market will not really adopt it. I still have plenty beginners and non-technical people coming to me and asking which system should they buy. I told all: "avoid Windows 8!". Guess what they'll do.
Dude... it does not matter. I should not need to search Google, nor install third party software, not even struggle for more than one minute to find a feature which was prominently displayed and existed on all versions prior to this.
When you produce cars with manual transmissions for years, then all of a sudden try to shove an automatic down my throat, the fact that I can install an aftermarket item or hack it myself to make it manual again is not going to make my run and buy it off your showroom, no sir.
Ok, it's not unusable, but it's not efficient either. Tiles the size of my palm simply don't cut it.
Typical hacker wannabe response. I am a software consumer. I am a possible customer for YOUR products. If I come to your car showroom and tell you that you should think of naming your cars better, your response "why don't YOU make YOUR OWN car" sends me straight to the competition. That's one reason why Linux hasn't hit desktop mainstream and is unlikely to do so in the near future: bad attitude towards competition's customers who wish to switch. This attitude drives them back to your competitors.
Hint: "it's free so fuck you" is not any better.
IMO, Apple leads by a notch in terms of shitfulness.
When you absolutely have to install a third party software to make an OS GUI usable... what can I say. Something must be fishy with that.
Desktop Linux is finally starting to look like it is making some traction, especially with Valve working to make games for Linux, and I've always been of the opinion that an OS is only going to have mass appeal if you can play top tier games on it (without having to mess around with WINE).
And, for fuck's sake, change the retarded application naming methods!
When you have Guayadeque, a music player using wxWidgets then "abcde" which is a frontend for "cdparanoia" (SERIOUSLY???), Gedit (which works under KDE, so the "G" is stupid), Kate (wtf is this name for a fucking Text Editor?), Kopete (bitch, please!), XCDRoast (because the "X" really MUST be there!), then you can't hope that Joe Sixpack would be happy with that.
"The KDE naming convention (KMail, KAIM, KPlayer, etc) tends to be a bit better than average, though they do tend to take the “K” thing a bit too far. Even this, which tends to produce easy to discern names, has problems (k3b, Kaffeine, amaroK, kynaptic, etc) and can get confusing at times." (from here: http://www.geek.com/articles/xyzcomputing/linuxs-difficulty-with-names-20051226/).
When you get rid of this hacker-wannabe naming methods ("yeah, um, well, I'm using xkcd-1.3.1-x86-omg-wtf-bbq") then you start to mature and think of customers, rather than just your fellow hacker-wannabe-bros.
Hell of an idea. Put pictures of porn actresses and ask "Who's this?" Whoever doesn't know is either a bot, or unworthy of your board, heh heh.
It doesn't matter what THIS story is about. You can't simply say "these medical records are useful, those are useless". That's what was considered of blood stains from crimes before DNA analysis existed: "destroy them after X years". there's a story about a guy who's convicted of a crime and his sister becomes a lawyer just to review his file, and finally finds case evidence which miraculously was NOT destroyed although law allowed it to be destroyed after some years.
Or better yet, when you produce medical records, give a copy to the patient, who signs a document agreeing that they will only be kept for n years by the medical facility. Problem solved, legally speaking, and patient is responsible for his copies.
Maybe it thinks you're a Jedi and wireless is actually your "move" power kicking in.