OpenBSD is one of the absoulte easiest OS's that i have ever installed. It pops up and asks you simple questions and even makes setting up the disk partitions easy. It is the easiest *BSD i have ever set up.
imagine the legal precedents that this case is going to set either way it goes. For the sake of innovation, free speech, and our ability to function as a community under both of these, pray that the courts decide in favor of 2600.
If he is not willing to stand by what he already wrote he should quit journalism.
Well i disagree. I think that by refusing to testify he is making a stronger statement than what he would if he testified. In a society that for the most part lacks morals, it is good to see someone stand up for what they believe in, regardless of the outcomes. People of character are what make this country what it is, and in today's world integrity is an attribute sorely missed. If he testifies, he knows that it sets a precedent and opens the doors for others to be forced to testify. I commend him on his decision. It would be a tough one to make.
about par for the course from the government. First we have the telco's wiretapping phone calls and listening for keywords (rememeber that movie - bomb, president, and allah in the same call) and there you are on their list of people to watch. although they are just using it for criminal investigation. yeah right. now they are telling us that they have this technology to use "when ordered." hmm..... bet i'm already a suspect....
Given all of the things that they are doing in the UK with internet monitoring, how long before an employee maintaining these monitoring systems decides to keep some of the logfiles, make himself a simular database, and publish it? Imagine the ramifications of something like that happening....
well apparently you've never owned a 1997-98 vintage PowerMac (603e and 604e ppc). it took a screwdriver, hammer, crowbar, and cutting torch (well maybe not the torch) to get into the thing. No, really. We had a 6500 and it took us forever to get into the thing and we still managed to break part of the case getting into it (hard drive needed changed). Granted, the logic board slid right out, but for the rest of it, man. give me an enlight case any day.
fine and good, if you have DSL or cable or are at a place that has a dedicated connection. some folks are stuck with modems until their baby bell/cable provider wakes up and impliments dsl out there. (if you havent figured it out i am one of those folks screaming at their teleco and cable company). i'd hate to have to try to download Quake3 over a modem. or what if you downloaded 637 out of 638 megs and the connection was lost? gonna get billed 2x when you try to finish the download? true, it would cut down on packaging but imagine the headaches this could cause....
the local walmart has Office 2000 in a hard-plastic theft-proof box. says something about added security for microsoft software. but everyone knows that if you want security with ms software you just dont install it.
OpenBSD strives to be the most secure OS in the world and remain free at the same time. not an easy task. Whether or not you agree with deRaadt's personality, remember your part in all of this. I agree with one AC in that if you are whining for features, buy the cd or a t-shirt or poster. They operate off of these revenues, not off of contracts or advertising or etc... So for all of us with halo's above our horns be sure to remember that. If you want something make a contribution. So like the ol' saying goes. Dont bitch about the farmers with your mouth full.
Hey. anyone out there got/seen a tux quake skin? (kinda like the penguin computing shot with the rocket launcher). i've looked around and havent seen one. man that would be cool...
If you are talking about the small IPAQ mentioned in the article, NetBSD would probably be a better bet off the bat. the large ipaq's with Celerons run Linux fine.
MRTG has been around for awhile. As far as management, not much it can do there. But for general graphing and stats, its pretty nice. Requires perl, a webserver, and a C complier. setup is fairly simple through one file. We use it to chart all of the switches, servers and routers on our campus...Does a nice job. and its running on a 486/dx2-66
I have set up 2 OpenBSD firewalls with brconfig (bridging) and ipf. easy easy easy to do. one box is a p100 and the other is a p133, both with 64 meg ram, both b/t router (t1) and first switch on the network, and handle all of that traffic no problemo. Linux supports bridging but its not even close to being robust as the BSD version. Since it uses ipf, it supports a better form of chaining than linux as well.
According to a rep from Quantex or Tiger (its been a year or so ago) companies ship systems with an OS or require an OS license because in order to meet with some ISO standard of Computer Manufacturing systems must be ready to run out of the box. Proving that there is an OS license probably protects that status....
I have read most of the comments and looked at the site. I totally agree with the site in that people who prepackage software should devote some time to making sure that their apps can run on other distros. That's smart business. But, I also understand some of the hardware vendors viewpoints on the issue. If you are dell and are selling more PC's than about anyone else in the world you want to make sure that you can service what you sell. Same with the little guys. If I sell someone a pc and they call in with an OS related question, i want to be able to answer it. If i say as a company that our hardware is compatable/we support "Linux," then we have just opened ourselves up to a plethora of questions that we may or may not be qualified to answer. Take dell for example. If someone calls in to tech support they know that they going to get first-class service (or at least their reputation says that they should). Now we just said we supported "Linux." Should the rep be able to answer a Red Hat question? What about a TurboLinux question? Slackware? GNU/Debian? Now that we can't answer the question, our tech support looks dumb. Some reputation for quality tech support we have. User decides that they will buy their next PC from HP or IBM or Apple or etc. See where this is going? Now imagine if you are the little guy in this situation.....
Now, suppose that we started out by saying that our hardware is Linux Compatable/we support Red Hat. Same user calls in with a Red Hat question, we can answer it no problem. But, when they call in with a Debian question, we tell them up front that Debian is not fully supported but we'll do our best. Now we live up to our reputation and then some. We've went the extra mile. How can we as a community expect every company to support and answer every question about every distro. We cant. To even begin to think that they should is wrong of us. You have to remember that these companies are running a business and have an obligation to their shareholders.
I can also see why many of the companies support Red Hat in lieu of the others. Red Hat is fast becoming the "standard" (if you will) in which all other distros are built. SuSE, TurboLinux, Mandrake, etc...all are built around a Red Hat model. Supporting Red Hat gives a company the chance to possibly be able to "semi-support" other platforms. Again, these folks are running a business here.
No, i am not a owner or employee of Red Hat, Dell, or any simular company. I just think its good to see things from their perspective.
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OpenBSD is one of the absoulte easiest OS's that i have ever installed. It pops up and asks you simple questions and even makes setting up the disk partitions easy. It is the easiest *BSD i have ever set up.
imagine the legal precedents that this case is going to set either way it goes. For the sake of innovation, free speech, and our ability to function as a community under both of these, pray that the courts decide in favor of 2600.
If he is not willing to stand by what he already wrote he should quit journalism.
Well i disagree. I think that by refusing to testify he is making a stronger statement than what he would if he testified. In a society that for the most part lacks morals, it is good to see someone stand up for what they believe in, regardless of the outcomes. People of character are what make this country what it is, and in today's world integrity is an attribute sorely missed. If he testifies, he knows that it sets a precedent and opens the doors for others to be forced to testify. I commend him on his decision. It would be a tough one to make.
wtf? follow standards. everyone else must live by the same set of rules. why shouldn't they?
no, but the inventor of the internet is.
about par for the course from the government. First we have the telco's wiretapping phone calls and listening for keywords (rememeber that movie - bomb, president, and allah in the same call) and there you are on their list of people to watch. although they are just using it for criminal investigation. yeah right. now they are telling us that they have this technology to use "when ordered." hmm..... bet i'm already a suspect....
Given all of the things that they are doing in the UK with internet monitoring, how long before an employee maintaining these monitoring systems decides to keep some of the logfiles, make himself a simular database, and publish it? Imagine the ramifications of something like that happening....
well apparently you've never owned a 1997-98 vintage PowerMac (603e and 604e ppc). it took a screwdriver, hammer, crowbar, and cutting torch (well maybe not the torch) to get into the thing. No, really. We had a 6500 and it took us forever to get into the thing and we still managed to break part of the case getting into it (hard drive needed changed). Granted, the logic board slid right out, but for the rest of it, man. give me an enlight case any day.
fine and good, if you have DSL or cable or are at a place that has a dedicated connection. some folks are stuck with modems until their baby bell/cable provider wakes up and impliments dsl out there. (if you havent figured it out i am one of those folks screaming at their teleco and cable company). i'd hate to have to try to download Quake3 over a modem. or what if you downloaded 637 out of 638 megs and the connection was lost? gonna get billed 2x when you try to finish the download? true, it would cut down on packaging but imagine the headaches this could cause....
the local walmart has Office 2000 in a hard-plastic theft-proof box. says something about added security for microsoft software. but everyone knows that if you want security with ms software you just dont install it.
OpenBSD strives to be the most secure OS in the world and remain free at the same time. not an easy task. Whether or not you agree with deRaadt's personality, remember your part in all of this. I agree with one AC in that if you are whining for features, buy the cd or a t-shirt or poster. They operate off of these revenues, not off of contracts or advertising or etc... So for all of us with halo's above our horns be sure to remember that. If you want something make a contribution. So like the ol' saying goes. Dont bitch about the farmers with your mouth full.
yeah but when he had a railgun in his hands and someone asked him what it was he would reply "i dont know"....heheheh
Hey. anyone out there got/seen a tux quake skin? (kinda like the penguin computing shot with the rocket launcher). i've looked around and havent seen one. man that would be cool...
that was cool, huh huh
when we killed that frog, huh huh
it wont croak again
If you are talking about the small IPAQ mentioned in the article, NetBSD would probably be a better bet off the bat. the large ipaq's with Celerons run Linux fine.
MRTG has been around for awhile. As far as management, not much it can do there. But for general graphing and stats, its pretty nice. Requires perl, a webserver, and a C complier. setup is fairly simple through one file. We use it to chart all of the switches, servers and routers on our campus...Does a nice job. and its running on a 486/dx2-66
just my $0.02
matt
I have set up 2 OpenBSD firewalls with brconfig (bridging) and ipf. easy easy easy to do. one box is a p100 and the other is a p133, both with 64 meg ram, both b/t router (t1) and first switch on the network, and handle all of that traffic no problemo. Linux supports bridging but its not even close to being robust as the BSD version. Since it uses ipf, it supports a better form of chaining than linux as well.
According to a rep from Quantex or Tiger (its been a year or so ago) companies ship systems with an OS or require an OS license because in order to meet with some ISO standard of Computer Manufacturing systems must be ready to run out of the box. Proving that there is an OS license probably protects that status....
I have read most of the comments and looked at the site. I totally agree with the site in that people who prepackage software should devote some time to making sure that their apps can run on other distros. That's smart business. But, I also understand some of the hardware vendors viewpoints on the issue. If you are dell and are selling more PC's than about anyone else in the world you want to make sure that you can service what you sell. Same with the little guys. If I sell someone a pc and they call in with an OS related question, i want to be able to answer it. If i say as a company that our hardware is compatable/we support "Linux," then we have just opened ourselves up to a plethora of questions that we may or may not be qualified to answer. Take dell for example. If someone calls in to tech support they know that they going to get first-class service (or at least their reputation says that they should). Now we just said we supported "Linux." Should the rep be able to answer a Red Hat question? What about a TurboLinux question? Slackware? GNU/Debian? Now that we can't answer the question, our tech support looks dumb. Some reputation for quality tech support we have. User decides that they will buy their next PC from HP or IBM or Apple or etc. See where this is going? Now imagine if you are the little guy in this situation.....
Now, suppose that we started out by saying that our hardware is Linux Compatable/we support Red Hat. Same user calls in with a Red Hat question, we can answer it no problem. But, when they call in with a Debian question, we tell them up front that Debian is not fully supported but we'll do our best. Now we live up to our reputation and then some. We've went the extra mile. How can we as a community expect every company to support and answer every question about every distro. We cant. To even begin to think that they should is wrong of us. You have to remember that these companies are running a business and have an obligation to their shareholders.
I can also see why many of the companies support Red Hat in lieu of the others. Red Hat is fast becoming the "standard" (if you will) in which all other distros are built. SuSE, TurboLinux, Mandrake, etc...all are built around a Red Hat model. Supporting Red Hat gives a company the chance to possibly be able to "semi-support" other platforms. Again, these folks are running a business here.
No, i am not a owner or employee of Red Hat, Dell, or any simular company. I just think its good to see things from their perspective.
Matt