Hey,
Does thi grant copying rights to users ?
(i) If it doesn't RIAA could still sue individuals.
(ii) If it does, then that could give the green light for anyone to burn their own CDs and perhaps sell them on ?
Cheers,
Winton
Exactly how does one discover method names ? Also, there is some assumption regarding this name space syntax as being java like ?
Likewise, what about return signatures ? Like what am I expected to recieve back if I return this.
Final comment - what about semantic parameter annotation like "This value represents the name of the user".
Maybe I'm missing something. I like the idea of getting away from worrying about bit-level encoding for languages, but I'm also worried that this spec isn't exactly clear.
Why not just use full XML combined with some datatyping ?
Well a common non-home energy storage system is Hydro-based - find a big mountain, drill a hole from the top to bottom, pump water up to the top when demand is low, release when demand is high:)
Winton
This was touted as an unusual movie, and whilst superficially it had a certain veneer of Anti-War on Drugs, it fell into appalling stereotypes and failed to explain.
Stereotypes: Lets see - Corrupt Mexican Police, Army. Mexico portrayed completely negatively. Heroic american DEA (note complete lack of corruption), and belief in their job. Black ghetto kids (plus the intentionally shocking doped out white girl and black drug dealer sex scene). Victim is Poor Rich White Kids...
Explanations: Hmm, why are black ghetto's like that ? Because of the drug trade (not because of economic decline and ruin of blue collar communities). Why do mexican's grow drugs etc (easier than working as cheaper labour for NAFTA factories).
It's only redeeming feature is about the unwinnability of the war, as opposed to be the wrong war...
Most disbelievable role - Katherine Z-J-D turning from society lady not knowing anything to become hardened drug lord...
Winton
p.s. And if Mexico does induce a washed out pallour as portrayed by the fscking hand-held camera I'm not visting:). Cliched.
Just saw this - why oh why did they hold back on its release to the rest of the US outside NY and LA.
Anyway - on top of this they aree only showing it at one Landmark cinema in mid penisula Silicon Valley area (small Indie place). The first showing was sold out (and this is a place with no on-line prescence.
Beautiful movie though. It's fantasy and dance more than anything - but so wonderfully done. Go see it soon, so you can see it again more quickly:)
If this doesn't pick up every Oscar going this year... best actor should go to the actor who played Dark Cloud though, not Chow Yun Fat.
(1) Someone please Moderate the previous reply up to being interesting/useful.
(2) I reviewed quickly his initial paper, and then realised, oh that Hinton:) ! However, in the PoE paper there is absolutely no references to the work done in the Multi-Agent & Machine Learning communities.
(3) That being said, his work is definitely of interest - although I doubt that it is a huge breakthrough in AI as being suggested. If it is similar to the work done in the ML community, then basically what you get is a nice way to integrate differents Points of View's on the same situation - which helps overcome the tendency for ML algorthims to suffer from local minima and being sensitive to the actuall distrubutions of the data.
(4) I couldnt find any comparisons to work outside of the NN field.
This stuff has been done before under the heading "Ensembles" and "Combining Multiple Models", various othe forms of communities of experts. This is also sometimes referred to as "Bagging" and "Boosting" as well. I dont have my references to hand, but if someone wants them I'll dig em out.
I can reference papers going back to the early 90's if you'd like:) Check out EWSL-91 I think.
I might be missing some technical details that they've developed, and it would be extremely unfair to denigrate this research without reading the papers, but it does nae sound revolutionary to me. Given the person being quoted (EE), it doesnt sound like they come from the Machine Learning community at all, otherwise they might know this literature!
Winton
p.s. It's 3 am, been playing Myth 2 for a couple of hours, and a couple of beers, so I can't deal with the hassle of looking this stuff up with URL's etc...
ok,
I still am at a loss on QC and its relationship with ND FSA (rather than RE). NP is based on FSA isn't it ? (Classic NP-Complete problem is SAT, which is a FSA ? ) Maybe the meta-program to implement a SAT solution is in RE?
Cheers,
Winton
Poor little Mac, probably a Quadra..:) I bet they had no idea it was gonna be slashdotted.
Interesting that they are using Mac Common Lisp and the MIT Common Lisp HTTP Server though. Both are great pieces of software. MCL is my all time favourite development environment, and CL-HTTP is possibly the most useful piece of software ever written for it. Shame they didnt put any fire power behind it.
Good point - I dont know in general - I definitely think you'd find it less fun perhaps - and yes, we did discuss work at the bar, as well as the Giants chances:) so you might miss out.
We just (end of October), came out of a 2 month War Room based project. Normally we live in lil gray cubes. We had a hell of a schedule - 2 months to build a meta-search engine for prices of Books, Music and Video, that used a commercial data source for book music and video data, and dynamic scrapers to get prices.
Three of us went into the conference room, and we got it done on schedule (Books, Music and Movies)
Why ?
It definitely created a hard-core attitude - the three of us were there 12-14 hours a day on average. Yes, it does do that "bad" guilt trip thing to you, but its really more kind of the fact that there is a cool hi-visibility project you are in on.
Communication bandwidth was zero -- "What's the parameter to that API you defined ?" - instant answer.
Fun, Fun, Fun. We were the most psyched team in the company - people used to come in just to feel the vibe (I am not a new ager at all). We decorated the room madly - cant post a picture of the door, but it looks like a totem pole. We had a TV - and watched every play-off game that was on... We drank every night, and ate at a local sports bar...
I don't think I could work in one of these 365 days a year - and I suspect that being THE SOLE War Room was kind of ego-boosting - if everyone was in one, who knows.
Also, you really have to be involved in a tight project, with the ability to tell anyone coming into the room to f*ck off if it disrupts you or is not relevant to the project. In a normal multi-person office, the day to day interrupts can drive multiple occupants mad...
Winton
p.s. There is also a similar article in the New Yorker this month (page 60, Dec 11 Issue).
Hmm, I'd have preferred Warp Drive first, but this does sound rather like "Impulse" Drive...
or perhaps just a vain attempt to boost a high caffeine soda:)
Winton
Mod this up ?
I think this is a very interesting addendum to the oft expressed fact that as all media has to interface to human senses, that you can bypass any security mechanism.
Neat idea Interiot:)
Winton
I've no comment on Houston's problems, but my big bugbear at the moment is PacBell's Bay Area DSL operation (also run by SBC).
Always up is a complete joke. Maybe once a week I cannot connect at all and maybe twice a week their DNS servers are down. Luckily I know several friendly and fast DNS servers. If I was a novice users I'd be locked out half the time.
PPPoE is also a piece of sh*t....(apologies if it isnt the protocols fault...)
Support contact is very difficult to obtain as well.
If they start cutting the speeds up here that would be the end of my relationship with them.
Haven't seen a VAX/VMS box for nearly a decade, but I still miss VMS... and especially DCL. None of this
cmd --long version
cmd -l
it was so consistent...:
command/long_version
comm/lon
comma/lo
all worked just as well. ok, I know it was all down to the equivalent of getopt being a nice piece of engineering, but I still miss it.
heh - and one always knew where stuff went in the OS - SYS$EXE, SYS$LIB....
Well most of the preceding replies have focussed on either analogues to War, Guns, Cars etc or reversing the trend back eventually to (TCP/IP or Intel).
In many earlier discussions the analogues have been made with VCR's and Photocopiers. I would add FAXes as well, though I'm not sure if there has ever been a suit over FAX design removing copyright protection (as opposed to FAXSPAM laws).
It seems ludricous to me that someone who writes software that does similar things can be held responsible for it. I mean, shoot, we don't sue the guy who invented the above physical things (though they are probably all dead now).
There is the question of distribution perhaps... but creating one can't be illegal, can it? - for example, I wonder if you can create say a lock pick and as long as you don't leave your house with it, it is ok. I suspect making an A-bomb probably would be frowned on in ones own house though.:-)
But there is a thin line. IANAL, but I suspect unless a ruling is made that "This piece of software is bad for society", then you cannot be held liable for inventing/designing/coding/compiling such a beast. I would also hope one could not be retroactively sued for distribution, unless a ruling has been made. If you could, the implication is that we will be living in a Stalinist version of the Free Market, waiting for the Court to approve/disapprove every FUNCTIONAL SPEC (heh, combine this with the Patent Office maybe:) ).
I think that the worst could be done is after a court ruling is that to distribute a binary would be wrong (and maybe the possesion of such a binary). I would be opposed to this even, but this seems like the only boundary case that would prevent us from falling into legislative cencorship before we hit "emacs newprogram.C".
Responsibility ultimatley has to lie with the user... but I think that Salon article was way, way too scaremongering, if you think through the implications of not being able to code before a legal ruling.
Slashdot Mirror
Hey, Does thi grant copying rights to users ? (i) If it doesn't RIAA could still sue individuals. (ii) If it does, then that could give the green light for anyone to burn their own CDs and perhaps sell them on ? Cheers, Winton
In the example
/WINTON HTTP/1.0
<methodName>example.setState...
Exactly how does one discover method names ? Also, there is some assumption regarding this name space syntax as being java like ?
Likewise, what about return signatures ? Like what am I expected to recieve back if I return this.
Final comment - what about semantic parameter annotation like "This value represents the name of the user".
Maybe I'm missing something. I like the idea of getting away from worrying about bit-level encoding for languages, but I'm also worried that this spec isn't exactly clear.
Why not just use full XML combined with some datatyping ?
POST
...
<EXAMPLE>
<SETSTATE>
<USERNAME TYPE="String">Winton</USERNAME>
<BIRTHDAY TYPE="ISODate">10101963</USERNAME>
<HAPPY Type="Boolean">T</HAPPY>
<RETURNS Type="Boolean"></RETURNS>
</SETSTATE>
</EXAMPLE>
Cheers,
Winton
Well a common non-home energy storage system is Hydro-based - find a big mountain, drill a hole from the top to bottom, pump water up to the top when demand is low, release when demand is high :)
Winton
This was touted as an unusual movie, and whilst superficially it had a certain veneer of Anti-War on Drugs, it fell into appalling stereotypes and failed to explain. Stereotypes: Lets see - Corrupt Mexican Police, Army. Mexico portrayed completely negatively. Heroic american DEA (note complete lack of corruption), and belief in their job. Black ghetto kids (plus the intentionally shocking doped out white girl and black drug dealer sex scene). Victim is Poor Rich White Kids... Explanations: Hmm, why are black ghetto's like that ? Because of the drug trade (not because of economic decline and ruin of blue collar communities). Why do mexican's grow drugs etc (easier than working as cheaper labour for NAFTA factories). It's only redeeming feature is about the unwinnability of the war, as opposed to be the wrong war... Most disbelievable role - Katherine Z-J-D turning from society lady not knowing anything to become hardened drug lord... Winton p.s. And if Mexico does induce a washed out pallour as portrayed by the fscking hand-held camera I'm not visting :). Cliched.
Amazing movie - run, don't walk to see it!
:)
Just saw this - why oh why did they hold back on its release to the rest of the US outside NY and LA.
Anyway - on top of this they aree only showing it at one Landmark cinema in mid penisula Silicon Valley area (small Indie place). The first showing was sold out (and this is a place with no on-line prescence.
Beautiful movie though. It's fantasy and dance more than anything - but so wonderfully done. Go see it soon, so you can see it again more quickly
If this doesn't pick up every Oscar going this year... best actor should go to the actor who played Dark Cloud though, not Chow Yun Fat.
Winton
(1) Someone please Moderate the previous reply up to being interesting /useful.
:) ! However, in the PoE paper there is absolutely no references to the work done in the Multi-Agent & Machine Learning communities.
(2) I reviewed quickly his initial paper, and then realised, oh that Hinton
(3) That being said, his work is definitely of interest - although I doubt that it is a huge breakthrough in AI as being suggested. If it is similar to the work done in the ML community, then basically what you get is a nice way to integrate differents Points of View's on the same situation - which helps overcome the tendency for ML algorthims to suffer from local minima and being sensitive to the actuall distrubutions of the data.
(4) I couldnt find any comparisons to work outside of the NN field.
Winton
This stuff has been done before under the heading "Ensembles" and "Combining Multiple Models", various othe forms of communities of experts. This is also sometimes referred to as "Bagging" and "Boosting" as well. I dont have my references to hand, but if someone wants them I'll dig em out. I can reference papers going back to the early 90's if you'd like :) Check out EWSL-91 I think.
I might be missing some technical details that they've developed, and it would be extremely unfair to denigrate this research without reading the papers, but it does nae sound revolutionary to me. Given the person being quoted (EE), it doesnt sound like they come from the Machine Learning community at all, otherwise they might know this literature!
Winton
p.s. It's 3 am, been playing Myth 2 for a couple of hours, and a couple of beers, so I can't deal with the hassle of looking this stuff up with URL's etc...
ok, I still am at a loss on QC and its relationship with ND FSA (rather than RE). NP is based on FSA isn't it ? (Classic NP-Complete problem is SAT, which is a FSA ? ) Maybe the meta-program to implement a SAT solution is in RE? Cheers, Winton
Heh,
:) I bet they had no idea it was gonna be slashdotted.
Poor little Mac, probably a Quadra..
Interesting that they are using Mac Common Lisp and the MIT Common Lisp HTTP Server though. Both are great pieces of software. MCL is my all time favourite development environment, and CL-HTTP is possibly the most useful piece of software ever written for it. Shame they didnt put any fire power behind it.
Cheers,
Winton
Good point - I dont know in general - I definitely think you'd find it less fun perhaps - and yes, we did discuss work at the bar, as well as the Giants chances :) so you might miss out.
Winton
Hi,
We just (end of October), came out of a 2 month War Room based project. Normally we live in lil gray cubes. We had a hell of a schedule - 2 months to build a meta-search engine for prices of Books, Music and Video, that used a commercial data source for book music and video data, and dynamic scrapers to get prices.
Three of us went into the conference room, and we got it done on schedule (Books, Music and Movies)
Why ?
I don't think I could work in one of these 365 days a year - and I suspect that being THE SOLE War Room was kind of ego-boosting - if everyone was in one, who knows.
Also, you really have to be involved in a tight project, with the ability to tell anyone coming into the room to f*ck off if it disrupts you or is not relevant to the project. In a normal multi-person office, the day to day interrupts can drive multiple occupants mad...
Winton
p.s. There is also a similar article in the New Yorker this month (page 60, Dec 11 Issue).
Hmm, I'd have preferred Warp Drive first, but this does sound rather like "Impulse" Drive... or perhaps just a vain attempt to boost a high caffeine soda :)
Winton
I still don't get it. Roughly speaking Isn't any computation that requires a guess and validation from 2^n possibilibities NP-Complete ?
:)
I can see how N qbits can "represent" 2^N possibilities. What I can't see is how one reads off the correct result
From my limited "getting it" QC is good for geometrically increasing N problems n^3, n^4, but it doesn't solve NP-completeness.
I also know there is something I don't understand in Quantum Entanglement, but I don't think this is a help.
perhaps someone can confirm or disabuse my understanding
Winton
...though it does stop us from ever having to worry about the Y10K bug
Winton
FYI,
:)
Here's a page about converting barcodes to ISBN's just in case you are interested. It also describes a complete barcode scanner to Palm Booklist
http://www.eblong.com/zarf/bookscan/
Winton
Mod this up ? I think this is a very interesting addendum to the oft expressed fact that as all media has to interface to human senses, that you can bypass any security mechanism. Neat idea Interiot :)
Winton
Just use your work or college DNS server, thats what I do :)
Winton
Hi,
I've no comment on Houston's problems, but my big bugbear at the moment is PacBell's Bay Area DSL operation (also run by SBC).
Always up is a complete joke. Maybe once a week I cannot connect at all and maybe twice a week their DNS servers are down. Luckily I know several friendly and fast DNS servers. If I was a novice users I'd be locked out half the time.
PPPoE is also a piece of sh*t....(apologies if it isnt the protocols fault...)
Support contact is very difficult to obtain as well.
If they start cutting the speeds up here that would be the end of my relationship with them.
Winton
www.copyleft.net is still selling T-Shirts :)
If I order one, will I still get it? Or will it arrive with a court order to not wear it ?
Cheers,
Winton
Haven't seen a VAX/VMS box for nearly a decade, but I still miss VMS... and especially DCL. None of this
/long_version
/lon
/lo
....
cmd --long version
cmd -l
it was so consistent...:
command
comm
comma
all worked just as well. ok, I know it was all down to the equivalent of getopt being a nice piece of engineering, but I still miss it.
heh - and one always knew where stuff went in the OS - SYS$EXE, SYS$LIB
Winton (DEC Engineering, Integrated Office Systems Group, ALL-IN-1 product group, 1985-1992)
Heh - Do you think DCL could go opensource now?
Hmmm, Never come across LWCE ! What does it stand for ? Linux Weenie Chat Event ? Cheers, Winton
2000-07-31 21:34:09 Spam for Gnutella? (articles,spam) (rejected)
Peeved :)
Winton
Well most of the preceding replies have focussed on either analogues to War, Guns, Cars etc or reversing the trend back eventually to (TCP/IP or Intel).
:-)
:) ).
In many earlier discussions the analogues have been made with VCR's and Photocopiers. I would add FAXes as well, though I'm not sure if there has ever been a suit over FAX design removing copyright protection (as opposed to FAXSPAM laws).
It seems ludricous to me that someone who writes software that does similar things can be held responsible for it. I mean, shoot, we don't sue the guy who invented the above physical things (though they are probably all dead now).
There is the question of distribution perhaps... but creating one can't be illegal, can it? - for example, I wonder if you can create say a lock pick and as long as you don't leave your house with it, it is ok. I suspect making an A-bomb probably would be frowned on in ones own house though.
But there is a thin line. IANAL, but I suspect unless a ruling is made that "This piece of software is bad for society", then you cannot be held liable for inventing/designing/coding/compiling such a beast. I would also hope one could not be retroactively sued for distribution, unless a ruling has been made. If you could, the implication is that we will be living in a Stalinist version of the Free Market, waiting for the Court to approve/disapprove every FUNCTIONAL SPEC (heh, combine this with the Patent Office maybe
I think that the worst could be done is after a court ruling is that to distribute a binary would be wrong (and maybe the possesion of such a binary). I would be opposed to this even, but this seems like the only boundary case that would prevent us from falling into legislative cencorship before we hit "emacs newprogram.C".
Responsibility ultimatley has to lie with the user... but I think that Salon article was way, way too scaremongering, if you think through the implications of not being able to code before a legal ruling.
Winton
Borsook @ Keplers
For all you San Francisco Penisula /.'ers, Borsook is speaking about her book at Keplers independent bookstore, TODAY, at 7.30pm.
Winton