If you have customers, you have to code to whatever craptastic version of Internet Explorer or Firefox they have locked themselves into.
Really? You "have" to? No, you don't. You put up a message and you tell your customers to upgrade their browser. Compromising your security to deal with customers who refuse to upgrade is not in anyone's best interest.
Are there cloud tools that write your business logic for you? That's the time consuming part, not the scaffolding.
yes, there are. if you have a warehouse full of parts or a doctor's office or an online store, there are plenty of tools available that you can use.
A few minutes might give you a bare bones website
we are talking about full integrated application suites here, not textbook examples. If you look in your industry you will probably find 10 providers that have canned applications that they are selling to your competitors. Do you have a grocery warehouse? A hospital? Do you rent cars? What about an apartment complex? I could go on and on... If you need software for one of these applications, you have no business rolling your own. You go out and get a full-on software suite that takes care of it all. You can either buy it outright or you can pay for it as a service, your choice.
Not from where I'm sitting. Instead, the complexity goes up every year as they keep trying to do more with less. I'm fine with that as means I get paid more since they still need someone who understands how it all works.
well then it IS simpler because you are getting more work done with the same amount of effort.
>> Today you can code to web standards instead of having browser dependent code. Today you can safely assume that your clients have decent bandwidth.
Are you from the future? Because that's not the truth in 2015...
That's pretty funny. Do you surf amazon.com? Or newegg.com? Or target.com? Or any other retail web site? Lots and lots of images on each page. Many many megabytes. They assume you have good bandwidth. They sure aren't losing customers because they require good bandwidth.
Sure, there's the World Wide Web, but before that we had FTP, Gopher, Telnet, and LANs.
None of those old things were frameworks for client/server application development. You could hire a team to write a networked app in C or C++ and it took months and months. With modern web tools you can get an application up and running in a few minutes.
Cloud storage isn't really any different than network home drives. The tech will change (cheaper, faster, slightly easier for the end user), but at the end of the day, you're still installing software, answering end-user questions, adding servers to the network, maybe repairing hardware, etc.
Um, if you are doing things in the cloud, you're not adding servers to your network and you're not repairing hardware.
The level of complexity in an IT worker's job has dramatically changed easily in the last 10 if not the last 5 years).
Huh? Things are getting much simpler. Today you can code to web standards instead of having browser dependent code. Today you can run 20 servers in one box. Today you can safely assume that your clients have decent bandwidth. Less complexity on your job means that today you are getting a lot more done.
How many of you run a small tech support department for your entire computer-illiterate extended family?
This is your own damned fault. Does your doctor cousin give appointments for free to the family? Does your brother the truck driver move your stuff for free?
Charge your family the normal rate just like your doctor cousin would. Suddenly that old XP machine is a revenue source instead of a pain in the ass.
this is not going to happen, there will always be accidents. Construction equipment and loose rocks fall into the roadway, flying debris from other cars is totally unpredictable, deer and other animals run right in front of cars, chemicals spill onto the road and reduce its friction.
The point is that people can and do react very poorly under these circumstances and make things even worse. A computer can react much more quickly and decide (correctly) to mow down the deer instead of veering into the ditch and killing everyone.
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If you have customers, you have to code to whatever craptastic version of Internet Explorer or Firefox they have locked themselves into.
Really? You "have" to? No, you don't. You put up a message and you tell your customers to upgrade their browser. Compromising your security to deal with customers who refuse to upgrade is not in anyone's best interest.
Very few shops of any size have all of their resources in the cloud.
straw man alert, nobody says that
you put your forward facing web services in the cloud and keep the data secure in your own data center
I stopped using DropBox (cloud) and started using a file server (local). More storage space and less risk of being compromised by hackers.
yeah those encrypted backup files magically get more secure when you copy them onto your own computer.
We don't call them advertisements around here, we like to call them stories; or occasionally slasvertisements.
what's this "we" business?
In all cases you describe they didn't roll their own security. They outsourced development and surprise surprise.
guess what? you can't outsource responsibility. they are still responsible whether they outsourced the work or not.
you are right, amazon has not been hacked, more companies should take a lesson from them. they don't outsource responsibility, they own it.
Its what you use to construct firearms, and occasionally table top miniatures.
even more useless than I thought
You bring outsourced services back in house and run your own servers on your own network rather than paying someone else in Timbuktu to do it for you.
your joke detector is badly broken
Data transfer to the cloud is free, transfers out cost a lot of money.
are you saying there is some sort of premium charge if I run a SQL SELECT query from my own IP address?
Are there cloud tools that write your business logic for you? That's the time consuming part, not the scaffolding.
yes, there are. if you have a warehouse full of parts or a doctor's office or an online store, there are plenty of tools available that you can use.
A few minutes might give you a bare bones website
we are talking about full integrated application suites here, not textbook examples. If you look in your industry you will probably find 10 providers that have canned applications that they are selling to your competitors. Do you have a grocery warehouse? A hospital? Do you rent cars? What about an apartment complex? I could go on and on... If you need software for one of these applications, you have no business rolling your own. You go out and get a full-on software suite that takes care of it all. You can either buy it outright or you can pay for it as a service, your choice.
working in the fields burns you out
playing football burns you out
this feature is not unique to the IT world
the smart ones figure out how to climb out of their pits
what's an advertisement?
Not from where I'm sitting. Instead, the complexity goes up every year as they keep trying to do more with less. I'm fine with that as means I get paid more since they still need someone who understands how it all works.
well then it IS simpler because you are getting more work done with the same amount of effort.
the companies will find out after a while that it costs too much to get their data back and rebuild their own capacity on-site.
huh? all they have to do is make their own internal cloud and migrate onto it.
a return to having a core data center
Really, you assume that individual companies can roll their own security better? You're dreaming. Look at target, home depot, hannafords, etc.
Yes, much more complex code though
how is it more complex to have one set of browser code instead of three or four?
Lol not in my world I can't. T1s still rule with my customers.
10 years ago many of your customers probably had dialup
>> Today you can code to web standards instead of having browser dependent code. Today you can safely assume that your clients have decent bandwidth.
Are you from the future? Because that's not the truth in 2015...
That's pretty funny. Do you surf amazon.com? Or newegg.com? Or target.com? Or any other retail web site? Lots and lots of images on each page. Many many megabytes. They assume you have good bandwidth. They sure aren't losing customers because they require good bandwidth.
How many people have used the "cloud" and then moved away from it.
how do you "move away" from the "cloud"? do you get a different address in cyberspace? do you have to give up on online shopping?
what's a printer?
Sure, there's the World Wide Web, but before that we had FTP, Gopher, Telnet, and LANs.
None of those old things were frameworks for client/server application development. You could hire a team to write a networked app in C or C++ and it took months and months. With modern web tools you can get an application up and running in a few minutes.
Cloud storage isn't really any different than network home drives. The tech will change (cheaper, faster, slightly easier for the end user), but at the end of the day, you're still installing software, answering end-user questions, adding servers to the network, maybe repairing hardware, etc.
Um, if you are doing things in the cloud, you're not adding servers to your network and you're not repairing hardware.
The level of complexity in an IT worker's job has dramatically changed easily in the last 10 if not the last 5 years).
Huh? Things are getting much simpler. Today you can code to web standards instead of having browser dependent code. Today you can run 20 servers in one box. Today you can safely assume that your clients have decent bandwidth. Less complexity on your job means that today you are getting a lot more done.
The only reasonable role of the medical community is to address those issues for which we give informed consent.
What do doctors do when unconscious accident victims arrive? Wait for them to wake up and give consent before starting treatment?
I guarantee that it will be sold for more than Bacon, even if it costs less to produce. Sometimes the healthy food tax is frustrating.
yeah it's too bad that we live in a society where you can't compete and undercut someone who is charging too much....
oh wait
How many of you run a small tech support department for your entire computer-illiterate extended family?
This is your own damned fault. Does your doctor cousin give appointments for free to the family? Does your brother the truck driver move your stuff for free?
Charge your family the normal rate just like your doctor cousin would. Suddenly that old XP machine is a revenue source instead of a pain in the ass.
can't get into accidents
this is not going to happen, there will always be accidents. Construction equipment and loose rocks fall into the roadway, flying debris from other cars is totally unpredictable, deer and other animals run right in front of cars, chemicals spill onto the road and reduce its friction.
The point is that people can and do react very poorly under these circumstances and make things even worse. A computer can react much more quickly and decide (correctly) to mow down the deer instead of veering into the ditch and killing everyone.