I don't have a gmail address, because Google admits up front they scan the contents of your email for advertising purposes.
No, thank you.
install an ad blocker and your point is moot.
just curious, you seem to be assuming that you would not be able to control your impulses if you were subjected to advertising like this
when you drive on the road, you see billboards for cars, they are targeting you for advertising because you are in your car. are you going to paint over your windows? is your mental consciousness capable of withstanding this onslaught of advertisements directed at you, the automobile driver?
Iit seems patently unfair to hold someone writing an app for the moral choices made by someone using that tool?
If the patient monitoring equipment gives faulty information to the doctor, it's the doctor's fault for trusting the equipment? The doctor makes moral choices depending on what the equipment tells him.
I doubt that there has ever been a single case in recorded history where a customer has been able to actually write a proper specification for the software that they want.
So therefore there has never been a single case in recorded history where software developers have known what they needed to know to do their jobs. How can you POSSIBLY expect them to do the job right?
I have personally seen users, incorrectly doing something which makes a mess out of data, then attempting to fix it using the exact same method, then doing it again, and again, and again, etc...
so when the instructions don't work, should the employees strike out on their own and start inventing stuff to do?
if the server is down and the user tries five times to enter the data, is it insanity when they try the same thing again for the sixth time when the server is back up again?
In the real world "an ethical obligation" is no obligation at all.
That is not necessarily true. If you sell a product to the public, and it harms someone, you can still be held responsible even if you followed all legal requirements, if a plaintiff can show that you failed to follow common best practices, or made a design decision that was different than what most conscientious engineers would do.
Well, yes, that is assuming previous experience with a 'standard' car. A neophyte wouldn't know the difference.
in most civilized countries you have to take driver's education class in a normal car before you can get your driver's license, so these people you speak of will not have driver's licenses
people get what they pay for, if you pay crappy developers to write crappy code... if you sign a development contract that doesn't stipulate a working solution...
if users are incapable of communicating their desires to developers then they can't really complain about what they get
the onus of responsibility for a quality product lies in the consumer. there will always be snake oil salesmen selling snake oil, and it will always be up to the consumer to figure it out
if there is a pedestrian on the bridge, is he responsible for his own death? after all it is well known that people get hit by cars when they decide to walk near the road
if the car has a speedometer that goes to 140 mph, can the driver assume that the car can be driven at that speed?
if the owner of a car knows full well that their ignition switch is acting strange and they keep driving the car anyway, are they responsible for the resulting deaths?
If your computer experience involves apply patches as part of normal operations, you've completely and utterly failed to understand that computers are there to relieve work from you, not make you work harder.
So those engineers at RedHat who produce the bug fixes for the rest of is, they fail to understand what exactly?
So are open source developers just much better at naming vulnerabilities or are the marketing departments of closed software companies quietly assisting with the naming of open-source vulnerabilities?
You are telling us:
Every software developer should have a publicist from fox news on retainer so that new projects can receive names that are considered more appropriate for inclusion in technology news stories, it's much more important than the actual software itself
Between the three of them this is the highest capacity passenger rail in the world.
No way. The Yamanote line carries more than 3 million people on a typical day.
The two train stations in NYC handle over 2 million people on a typical day. They are two of the busiest train stations in the world and they are just a few blocks apart. One million people walk through the main hall at grand central terminal, twice a day. I don't have current stats on how many people ride on the rails in question but it is probably well over a million people a day. This is not some stupid podunk railroad, this is major US infrastructure that is currently down.
The Mayor said during his quick press conference they won't speculate on what happened or how or why.
We don't have to speculate on the immediate effects on local train transportation. We don't need to know what caused the wreck to know that it's going to be a major hassle for a lot of people until the rails are cleared. We don't need to wait for the official report on the cause before we start making alternative plans to get to work.
There is absolutely no way that this Amtrak line is the world's busiest.
What you were not paying attention to, is that those rails are not just used by Amtrak. They are also used by SEPTA and New Jersey Transit. Both of these agencies run a lot more trains on these tracks than Amtrak. Between the three of them this is the highest capacity passenger rail in the world.
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I don't have a gmail address, because Google admits up front they scan the contents of your email for advertising purposes.
No, thank you.
install an ad blocker and your point is moot.
just curious, you seem to be assuming that you would not be able to control your impulses if you were subjected to advertising like this
when you drive on the road, you see billboards for cars, they are targeting you for advertising because you are in your car. are you going to paint over your windows? is your mental consciousness capable of withstanding this onslaught of advertisements directed at you, the automobile driver?
Iit seems patently unfair to hold someone writing an app for the moral choices made by someone using that tool?
If the patient monitoring equipment gives faulty information to the doctor, it's the doctor's fault for trusting the equipment? The doctor makes moral choices depending on what the equipment tells him.
I doubt that there has ever been a single case in recorded history where a customer has been able to actually write a proper specification for the software that they want.
So therefore there has never been a single case in recorded history where software developers have known what they needed to know to do their jobs. How can you POSSIBLY expect them to do the job right?
so you assert that the old adage "let the buyer beware" doesn't apply to software?
you sound like the the police captain in casablanca, "I am shocked, shocked to see anything less than perfect bug free products"
the bad decision was deciding to use the app in the first place, everything after that is ripple effect
I have personally seen users, incorrectly doing something which makes a mess out of data, then attempting to fix it using the exact same method, then doing it again, and again, and again, etc...
so when the instructions don't work, should the employees strike out on their own and start inventing stuff to do?
if the server is down and the user tries five times to enter the data, is it insanity when they try the same thing again for the sixth time when the server is back up again?
In the real world "an ethical obligation" is no obligation at all.
That is not necessarily true. If you sell a product to the public, and it harms someone, you can still be held responsible even if you followed all legal requirements, if a plaintiff can show that you failed to follow common best practices, or made a design decision that was different than what most conscientious engineers would do.
my guess is that he's a cop
Well, yes, that is assuming previous experience with a 'standard' car. A neophyte wouldn't know the difference.
in most civilized countries you have to take driver's education class in a normal car before you can get your driver's license, so these people you speak of will not have driver's licenses
people get what they pay for, if you pay crappy developers to write crappy code... if you sign a development contract that doesn't stipulate a working solution...
if users are incapable of communicating their desires to developers then they can't really complain about what they get
the onus of responsibility for a quality product lies in the consumer. there will always be snake oil salesmen selling snake oil, and it will always be up to the consumer to figure it out
if there is a pedestrian on the bridge, is he responsible for his own death? after all it is well known that people get hit by cars when they decide to walk near the road
if the car has a speedometer that goes to 140 mph, can the driver assume that the car can be driven at that speed?
if the owner of a car knows full well that their ignition switch is acting strange and they keep driving the car anyway, are they responsible for the resulting deaths?
apparently software developers are stupid dolts incapable of actually doing their jobs and so we need AI systems to do their work for them
who programs these AI systems again?
people who die in automobile accidents did it themselves
they chose to be on the road and so they chose to put themselves in harm's way
so therefore nobody should ever be punished for any injuries or death suffered on the highways
is this how you roll?
global warning will make all disks floppy
If your computer experience involves apply patches as part of normal operations, you've completely and utterly failed to understand that computers are there to relieve work from you, not make you work harder.
So those engineers at RedHat who produce the bug fixes for the rest of is, they fail to understand what exactly?
you are probably not vulnerable if you have had your vaccinations, hard to tell about your computer
so mysql is a tool for making sql queries that pertain to me?
openldap is probably not a good place to keep secret login data because it's "open"
systemd is clearly some sort of pig latin
yes these products have fine names
So are open source developers just much better at naming vulnerabilities or are the marketing departments of closed software companies quietly assisting with the naming of open-source vulnerabilities?
You are telling us:
Every software developer should have a publicist from fox news on retainer so that new projects can receive names that are considered more appropriate for inclusion in technology news stories, it's much more important than the actual software itself
Do they even have pixels any more? I haven't seen one in years!
Between the three of them this is the highest capacity passenger rail in the world.
No way. The Yamanote line carries more than 3 million people on a typical day.
The two train stations in NYC handle over 2 million people on a typical day. They are two of the busiest train stations in the world and they are just a few blocks apart. One million people walk through the main hall at grand central terminal, twice a day. I don't have current stats on how many people ride on the rails in question but it is probably well over a million people a day. This is not some stupid podunk railroad, this is major US infrastructure that is currently down.
but of all the web pages on the entire internet, you choose to look at this one and you even bothered to post a comment
why is it that you can't admit to yourself that the article was indeed interesting enough to click on? because that is precisely what you did.
The Mayor said during his quick press conference they won't speculate on what happened or how or why.
We don't have to speculate on the immediate effects on local train transportation. We don't need to know what caused the wreck to know that it's going to be a major hassle for a lot of people until the rails are cleared. We don't need to wait for the official report on the cause before we start making alternative plans to get to work.
Too bad rail safety isn't what it needs to be.
Yeah if it were only safer than every other mode of transportation.
Oh wait, it is.
that's beyond pathetic
There is absolutely no way that this Amtrak line is the world's busiest.
What you were not paying attention to, is that those rails are not just used by Amtrak. They are also used by SEPTA and New Jersey Transit. Both of these agencies run a lot more trains on these tracks than Amtrak. Between the three of them this is the highest capacity passenger rail in the world.
"just a mistake"
not bothering to look up basic facts is just a mistake? so what he said is on the order of a typographical error? wowza