" the users have to either download them from somewhere else or backup the ones that came with their phone and reinstall them after flashing Cyanogen."
They say slashdot is where anything is possible, but to you there is no difference between "trivial" and "impossible"
Great, who's stopping anyone from releasing a phone that powers up with a big button that says "press here to download and install Android software on your phone"
This is EXACTLY what Barnes and Noble did when they shipped a device with an open bootloader.
HOW EXACTLY then does cyanogenmod manage to take the source code and create a version of android that WORKS JUST FINE WITH GOOGLE APPS? They have NO LICENSE.
Does anyone actually think they would sell FEWER of these devices if they opened them up to the developer community?
I'm wondering how they can expect any return on their investment in obscurity, given how they get hacked every time. They don't seem to be very successful at keeping out the prying eyes, if anything they end up with more of their technology revealed.
Whoever at Sony is giving the financial green light to this strategy is MESSED UP. It's costing them fortunes all around with no discernable return on investment.
The people who make hardware RAID know all about the lying drives, they get good information from the manufacturer on how to make the drives play nice with the RAID controller.
Just read the compatibility charts for your RAID controller, many drives have footnotes with minimum drive firmware requirements and other odd behavior.
Are you saying we should cast the ATA driver out of the kernel and dispose of all our ATA hardware?
Even though it's not in new hardware any more, we still need to support it in existing hardware. The driver still needs work when the kernel APIs change.
A successful computer needs SUPPORT from the manufacturer.
The users NEED a place where they can get their problems fixed.
This is why Apple succeeds, despite their prices. They provide clear avenues for help and assistance, both hardware and software.
Linux has no such support from manufacturers. If you put Linux on your computer, they will void your warranty and/or find reasons to avoid dealing with you, if you've installed Linux on their hardware. Their tech support people are not trained to deal with you. You are a total money sink as far as they are concerned, because every support call must be escalated.
OSX is stealing away the desktop by nothing more than basic competence.
When I fire up my Mac and run software updates, I am confident that my system will keep running. When I have Linux on my desktop, software updates are always frightening. Will my wi-fi adapter still work afterward? Will the VMware drivers compile? I've lost many hours of work, backing out linux software updates that trashed my ability to get work done.
For another, every single terminal program on Linux is just crapola compared to OSX terminal. Really even the old-fashioned shell users are much happier on OSX. Try developing on OSX for a few weeks, gnome-terminal seems little better than xterm.
Until these problems are fixed, linux on the desktop is doomed.
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" the users have to either download them from somewhere else or backup the ones that came with their phone and reinstall them after flashing Cyanogen."
They say slashdot is where anything is possible, but to you there is no difference between "trivial" and "impossible"
Great, who's stopping anyone from releasing a phone that powers up with a big button that says "press here to download and install Android software on your phone"
This is EXACTLY what Barnes and Noble did when they shipped a device with an open bootloader.
"No TRUE Scotsman"
Google Play works GREAT on Barnes and Noble Nook flashed with Cyanogenmod
NOOK HAS NO ANDROID LICENSE
" it's out of the box working or none at all."
PRETTY FUNNY!
EVERY modern device REQUIRES MAJOR SOFTWARE UPDATES, IMMEDIATELY upon opening the box.
My BRAND NEW NEXUS TABLET spent almost an HOUR updating itself when I first turned it on.
DREAM ON
It's NOT interesting
EVERY system with Cyanogenmod installed is ALSO running android apps without a license
WHY then are Barnes and Noble and Amazon using the android kernel WITHOUT THE ANDROID BRANDING?
It's the FUNCTIONALITY that makes android appealing.
you are telling us that cyanogenmod is illegal?
Step 1. Open your new device
Step 2: click here to install android functionality
problem solved
cyanogenmod installs on devices without android branding and gives you full access to google services.
hahaha
you can install android on a Barnes and Noble Nook WITH NO ANDROID BRANDING and then you have FULL ACCESS to Google services.
HOW EXACTLY then does cyanogenmod manage to take the source code and create a version of android that WORKS JUST FINE WITH GOOGLE APPS? They have NO LICENSE.
You mean just like the kindle and the nook?
Neither has android branding and both have good sales.
Google Play works just great with Cyanogenmod, and google didn't "decide".
Opening the platform up doesn't exclude professionally developed games.
There are plenty of commercial games on IOS and android
Last I checked, open compettive markets produce BETTER quality.
Today we have the Internet to share game ratings, we don't need the game companies to sort them out.
Their model is DEAD
Does anyone actually think they would sell FEWER of these devices if they opened them up to the developer community?
I'm wondering how they can expect any return on their investment in obscurity, given how they get hacked every time. They don't seem to be very successful at keeping out the prying eyes, if anything they end up with more of their technology revealed.
Whoever at Sony is giving the financial green light to this strategy is MESSED UP. It's costing them fortunes all around with no discernable return on investment.
Even worse are the RAID controllers(looking at you DELL)
You buy RAID controllers from DELL? You deserve what you get. Buying DELL server gear is like bringing a Schwinn Varsity to the Tour de France.
The people who make hardware RAID know all about the lying drives, they get good information from the manufacturer on how to make the drives play nice with the RAID controller.
Just read the compatibility charts for your RAID controller, many drives have footnotes with minimum drive firmware requirements and other odd behavior.
how can you actually tell that it's implemented properly, or at all? What if it's all a big lie, just like other parts of the protocol?
They SAY they support it
How can you really tell? It's well established that drives lie about their capabilities.
They might SAY they support it, but HOW CAN YOU REALLY TELL?
We all know that hardware LIES all the time about its ACTUAL capabilities, just READ the article!
Or you can buy a real RAID controller with battery backup for the cache, in which case you are just fine with the cheap SATA drives.
Funny, google has tens of thousands of servers and they put cheapo SATA drives in them.
Are you saying we should cast the ATA driver out of the kernel and dispose of all our ATA hardware?
Even though it's not in new hardware any more, we still need to support it in existing hardware. The driver still needs work when the kernel APIs change.
A successful computer needs SUPPORT from the manufacturer.
The users NEED a place where they can get their problems fixed.
This is why Apple succeeds, despite their prices. They provide clear avenues for help and assistance, both hardware and software.
Linux has no such support from manufacturers. If you put Linux on your computer, they will void your warranty and/or find reasons to avoid dealing with you, if you've installed Linux on their hardware. Their tech support people are not trained to deal with you. You are a total money sink as far as they are concerned, because every support call must be escalated.
OSX is stealing away the desktop by nothing more than basic competence.
When I fire up my Mac and run software updates, I am confident that my system will keep running. When I have Linux on my desktop, software updates are always frightening. Will my wi-fi adapter still work afterward? Will the VMware drivers compile? I've lost many hours of work, backing out linux software updates that trashed my ability to get work done.
For another, every single terminal program on Linux is just crapola compared to OSX terminal. Really even the old-fashioned shell users are much happier on OSX. Try developing on OSX for a few weeks, gnome-terminal seems little better than xterm.
Until these problems are fixed, linux on the desktop is doomed.