I'm not going to argue the thread, I went back through parent posts to plague's and he had jumped into a conversation with a lame anecdote and I was simply calling him on it. That's it.
Read my post again. It's not Netscape that crashes. It's IE. That's why I don't use IE. The other thing that crashes is the IE install program. Hmm... that's two MS programs that crash. Netscape... nope, can't say it crashes very often at all.
The latest versions of netscape don't crash that often, but neither does nt or ie. I imagine it's probably some bad drivers or something you've installed, because if you install NT and up to the latest service pack you would simply not be having any problems, unless it's a flaky piece of hardware.
You might also try going to "http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/". But that's not the point of this message, the point is that Linux cultists see what they want to see, and as long as the results please them, they don't look further into the problem.
Whether you're included in that group remains to be seen.
I can tell you X crashes much more often than Windows does for me. And I'm running buggy in-development software in Windows daily.
This has got to be the funniest examples of circular reasoning I've seen in a long time!
Why thank you! I like having my logic complimented!
Hey, Mr. Logician, maybe we didn't hear about a second incident because the Navy was smart enough to rip out their NT servers and replace them with something that works - to wit, any Unix system you could name - Linux, BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.
All that is speculation, do you have any proof? Let's try to stick to the facts here, shall we?
Do you really think this is the very first boat the Navy used with NT? They didn't do months and months of configuring and testing? And then they only tested on one single ship, one configuration, with one test crew?
Free software cult members are so quick to allow any holes in logic or facts to slip in when it benefits them, but as soon as someone trying to offer an alternate and better viewpoint says something, they'll attack it like rabid dogs.
Maybe someday if you try hard enough, you can have circular logic like me.
How can you act like beowulf is useless. Beowulf is one of the most powerful technologies developed recently. Why do you think people like IBM are making these giant beowulf clusters?
If they were so ineffective, how would it be rated at just below the 50th fastest super computer in the world?
I don't understand how you can say beowulf is an inferior technology. Just because the things you're skilled are fast becoming obsolete doesn't mean you should reject new, better technologies.
Beowulf is the next big thing, and it blows away anything you can do with smp. Either jump on the bandwagon or get left in the dust.
After some thought, I think that the elimination of commercials, the added flexibility of replay and slo-mo and stuff like that, is worth the price of disclosing my viewing habits to the service provider. Maybe then science, sci-fi, nature documentaries and shows I consider interesting would get more funding, JMS would get millions to bring Babylon 5 back, and ESPN and home shopping would drop dead.
Home shopping would drop dead? What, do you think home shopping networks are there because some executive somewhere thinks they are excellent programming that everyone wants to watch?
Home shopping channels are there because someone, somewhere buys enough stuff to keep them afloat. A change in how people can watch TV won't have any effect on home shopping whatsoever. In fact, I expect your options as far as home shopping goes to continue to expand, regardless of what else happens.
The only thing that will kill home shopping networks is interactive home shopping, where you can look for the specific items you want. IE web pages.
Man, I wish I worked at TiVo. It would have been nice to ship it with an rc5 cracker. It obviously has some kind of processing power, and it runs on Linux. During it's nightly updates it could upload blocks. Wooo.
by using a proven secure open source security model
Proven to whom? By whom? Obviously you have no clue the kind of hoops you have to jump through to be considered secure to the government.
Although the first comment was mainly a joke, let's assume for a moment that someone *did* embed NT in a missile. Let's see:
No net access.
No end user, so no IE, no outlook, no one to double click on something..
No webserver
No fileshares
No NT network services at all really.
What's the last NT exploit you could use to 'control' an NT machine remotely, that didn't use a hole in some kind of network daemon or a user at the console?
It's a simple fact that the OS itself is secure, it's the crap you throw on top of it that's the problem, whether that be end users or webservers.
Included are an in car, dashboard mounted DVD player (VERY bad idea)
Could you misstate this any more? They're talking about using the DVD for a giant GPS database.
Otherwise it's no different than other in car, dashboard mounted dvd players, like they sell at Car Toys here in Redmond. How is this different than the in car, dashboard mounted dvd player I see at the car stereo store here (car toys?).
The best supported 3d cards in linux? Don't make me laugh. I've been using Linux since near the beginning, and I'm very familiar with how it works.
When you compare the framerates you get under Linux to the framerates you get under even win2k.
It becomes more and more obvious to me just how linux will *never* be a viable desktop operating system, when we can't even make things like 3d cards work.
I mean, at least the other free OS's have support for printers.
I'm not really excited about Linux games that much. I mean, I bot quake3, but it's *so* slow.
You'd think with the money people are sinking into them they'd support decent 3d cards like the voodoo3, but they don't even support that. How do they expect linux to ever get to be a popular gaming system without decent hardware support?
Someone needs to sink some money into supporting hardware. I guess that's about all I want out of Linux. Support for my Voodoo3 (which *nothing* supports, trust me) and perhaps software raid.
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Read my post again. It's not Netscape that crashes. It's IE. That's why I don't use IE. The other thing that crashes is the IE install program. Hmm... that's two MS programs that crash. Netscape... nope, can't say it crashes very often at all.
The latest versions of netscape don't crash that often, but neither does nt or ie. I imagine it's probably some bad drivers or something you've installed, because if you install NT and up to the latest service pack you would simply not be having any problems, unless it's a flaky piece of hardware.
You might also try going to "http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/". But that's not the point of this message, the point is that Linux cultists see what they want to see, and as long as the results please them, they don't look further into the problem.
Whether you're included in that group remains to be seen.
I can tell you X crashes much more often than Windows does for me. And I'm running buggy in-development software in Windows daily.
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Why thank you! I like having my logic complimented!
Hey, Mr. Logician, maybe we didn't hear about a second incident because the Navy was smart enough to rip out their NT servers and replace them with something that works - to wit, any Unix system you could name - Linux, BSD, Solaris, AIX, etc.
All that is speculation, do you have any proof? Let's try to stick to the facts here, shall we?
Do you really think this is the very first boat the Navy used with NT? They didn't do months and months of configuring and testing? And then they only tested on one single ship, one configuration, with one test crew?
Free software cult members are so quick to allow any holes in logic or facts to slip in when it benefits them, but as soon as someone trying to offer an alternate and better viewpoint says something, they'll attack it like rabid dogs.
Maybe someday if you try hard enough, you can have circular logic like me.
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In closing, I'd like to add: YHBT. HAND.
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If they were so ineffective, how would it be rated at just below the 50th fastest super computer in the world?
I don't understand how you can say beowulf is an inferior technology. Just because the things you're skilled are fast becoming obsolete doesn't mean you should reject new, better technologies.
Beowulf is the next big thing, and it blows away anything you can do with smp. Either jump on the bandwagon or get left in the dust.
-lb
Home shopping would drop dead? What, do you think home shopping networks are there because some executive somewhere thinks they are excellent programming that everyone wants to watch?
Home shopping channels are there because someone, somewhere buys enough stuff to keep them afloat. A change in how people can watch TV won't have any effect on home shopping whatsoever. In fact, I expect your options as far as home shopping goes to continue to expand, regardless of what else happens.
The only thing that will kill home shopping networks is interactive home shopping, where you can look for the specific items you want. IE web pages.
Man, I wish I worked at TiVo. It would have been nice to ship it with an rc5 cracker. It obviously has some kind of processing power, and it runs on Linux. During it's nightly updates it could upload blocks. Wooo.
Proven to whom? By whom? Obviously you have no clue the kind of hoops you have to jump through to be considered secure to the government.
Although the first comment was mainly a joke, let's assume for a moment that someone *did* embed NT in a missile. Let's see:
What's the last NT exploit you could use to 'control' an NT machine remotely, that didn't use a hole in some kind of network daemon or a user at the console?
It's a simple fact that the OS itself is secure, it's the crap you throw on top of it that's the problem, whether that be end users or webservers.
Could you misstate this any more? They're talking about using the DVD for a giant GPS database.
Otherwise it's no different than other in car, dashboard mounted dvd players, like they sell at Car Toys here in Redmond. How is this different than the in car, dashboard mounted dvd player I see at the car stereo store here (car toys?).
I get amazing framerates and beautiful rendering, and that's only at the console running bash!
ATI has much better driver support, and blows the Nvidia away on every benchmark. Seriously, check out some of the stats on this card.
The best supported 3d cards in linux? Don't make me laugh. I've been using Linux since near the beginning, and I'm very familiar with how it works.
When you compare the framerates you get under Linux to the framerates you get under even win2k.
It becomes more and more obvious to me just how linux will *never* be a viable desktop operating system, when we can't even make things like 3d cards work.
I mean, at least the other free OS's have support for printers.
You'd think with the money people are sinking into them they'd support decent 3d cards like the voodoo3, but they don't even support that. How do they expect linux to ever get to be a popular gaming system without decent hardware support?
Someone needs to sink some money into supporting hardware. I guess that's about all I want out of Linux. Support for my Voodoo3 (which *nothing* supports, trust me) and perhaps software raid.