Bad policy I can't disagree with (since good policy would probably fix a lot of these issues), but I've always been a believer in the concept that you should never attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by greed and avarice.
I think that;s probably more of a national conspiracy (in the US) than a global conspiracy...
I can't speak for places outside the US because I haven't been there, but I'd bet dollars to pesos that Big Pharma has it's claws in a few more governments than just the US'.
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Yeah, medicine and the treatment of illness is a real global conspiracy alright.
Keeping the cost of it high seems to be.
Next time you need a fairly major medical procedure, refuse to pay until you get an itemized bill - you'll be amazed at some of the bullshit they try and charge you for; $50 for the off-brand Sharpie they used to mark your skin, for example.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't buy the media hype, either. Just looking for straight answers from someone who doesn't have a vested interest and/or agenda.
Are you basing this percentage on the number of sensational reports in the media, or from actual stats?
Well, I'd like to base it on actual numbers, but turns out that's pretty hard to do, thanks to all the goddamn spin and hype.
If this turns out to be something related to the Model S then *maybe* it is news, but right now it looks like a fire in a garage (that was also housing a Lexus) that didn't originate from the supposedly pyrophoric Model S battery/charge system, which was completely untouched.
That's what I want to see - a real investigation into the fire causes and likelihood that a defect is causing them. Problem is, there only seems to be 2 thought-camps on this: the Anti-Electric crowd, who wants to convince us that "fire in the vicinity of a Tesla == TESLA FIRE!!!" and the Fanboi crowd, who just scream ad hominems and demand you shut up and stop asking questions. BOTH groups are morons, IMO, because they're both eschewing the scientific process due to of their existing prejudices.
Well, if I look at the number of cars in the US (254 million or so) vs. number of car fires per year (152 thousand or so on average), and then look at the number of Telsas sold vs. number of Teslas involved in car fires, the rate for Teslas is a third to a quarter that of gasoline-powered cars. So yes, if a gasoline-powered model had the same fire rates as Teslas and there was detailed coverage of every single fire it was involved in I'd make an accusation of media hype, how else would you explain that focus accompanied by a lack of coverage of models that catch fire 3-4x as often?
Got any statistics to back that claim, or am I supposed to take your word for it?
No, in point of fact, the car would be assumed to be a commercial success if the gas car caught on fire as few times as the Tesla has. Those stats have already been shown over and over.
So, what percentage of gasoline cars have caught fire, vs the percentage of electric cars that have caught fire?
You can now go collect your paycheck at BMW.
Shit, I wish, those cats make fat bank.
You know what? Fuck you and your ad hominems, hack.
Aside the fact that anecdotes are not the plural of evidence, I'd like to point out that anything with a battery and "constant-hot" circuit is a continual fire risk, even when "turned off."
Hell, I remember having a Walkman start smoldering on my desk once, way back in the 90's.
"Loudmouth investor"? Do you mean the Tesla CEO, Elon Musk? CEOs are supposed to speak for their company.
You seem to have an axe to grind.
Yes, and yes - the guy is a narcissistic douche who does more harm than good when the goes and whines to the media every single time anyone says anything negative about Tesla, regardless of how true the negative press may be. Personally, I want to like Tesla, but his loud, whinging mouth makes it rather difficult for me to appreciate the engineering.
As for the statement, "CEO's are supposed to speak for their company," I'd respond, "Not if it hurts the company in the long run." Responding to the media is what professional publicists are for.
Do a thorough investigation; hire independent, third-party investigators to double-check the results. Do the whole thing again, just to double-double-check. If it turns out that your car had absolutely nothing to do with the fire, publish the shit out of the results. otherwise, try and sweep it under the rug and quietly issue a recall*.
And for the love of all that's holy, keep that loudmouth investor out of the media; fanboys might love him, but he doesn't do you any favors regarding your image with the public-at-large.
* Hey, if it works for the other manufacturers....
Having some basic knowledge about car fires makes it clear just how much Tesla fires are about media hype.
Having some basic knowledge of probability is also quite handy.
How many gasoline cars are there on the road today, and what percentage of them catch fire?
Ask the same question again, but replace "gasoline cars" with "Tesla Model S"
If, say, a GM model that's only existed for 3-4 years had the percentage of models catch fire that the Model S has, do you think GM would/should issue a recall, or would/should they bandy about accusations of 'media hype?'
let's obsess over the cause of a fire that has nothing to do with the battery... and only happened once and probably has absolutely nothing to do with the car's engineering?
It's worth looking into, especially because the cause is non-obvious.
But to say it "probably" had nothing to do with the engineering? Yea, I'll trust the determination of that one to the professional fire investigators, rather than some random internet user.
A entire car line was recalled for catching fire for no reason earlier last year.
Not quite - Ford recalled a large number of Focus models because of the potential for fires, not because an inordinate amount of them actually caught fire.
VW did the same thing with their diesel models a few years ago, again not because of actual events but because of the potential for them.
And, for the record, there are hundreds of thousands of Ford Focus' on the roads today, compared to... how many Tesla Model S?
So instead of 40% of Americans having a poor concept of science, it looks like 40% of Americans have a poor concept of English. Is that any better?
Oh, I'm certain it's much higher than that; all this proves is that 40% of the people polled don't know the difference between these 2 particular terms.
The only problem I have with the current method of student loan repayment is that the government is wholly unreasonable in how they determine how much you should be paying back per month; to wit, my wife's loan payments are more than our friggin' mortgage. I'm happy to pay back the loan, but shit, man, shelter's kinda more important.
Or at least, were, until she enrolled in a Master's program. Hooray for deferments!
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Keeping the cost of it high seems to be.
That is a matter of incompetence and bad policy.
Bad policy I can't disagree with (since good policy would probably fix a lot of these issues), but I've always been a believer in the concept that you should never attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by greed and avarice.
How did you get into the video game music business, and what advice would you have for aspiring artists looking to follow in your footsteps?
I think that;s probably more of a national conspiracy (in the US) than a global conspiracy...
I can't speak for places outside the US because I haven't been there, but I'd bet dollars to pesos that Big Pharma has it's claws in a few more governments than just the US'.
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- iPhone-based ignition system bugfixes - now requires latest iOS build to start
- iTunes integration update - hitting the horn button no longer plays random track from Library
- Emergency braking converted to premium service, requires new EULA agreement
Yeah, medicine and the treatment of illness is a real global conspiracy alright.
Keeping the cost of it high seems to be.
Next time you need a fairly major medical procedure, refuse to pay until you get an itemized bill - you'll be amazed at some of the bullshit they try and charge you for; $50 for the off-brand Sharpie they used to mark your skin, for example.
Well, I'm not in the former camp or the latter camp - I work on hydrogen research. ;)
Same here.
Well, save the hydrogen research; I'm more of a craftsman/hacker type.
Maybe we could collaborate someday on a hydrogen-powered cigar box guitar.
It hurting the company seems to be a personal view of yours, not a truth. Most people are happy to hear Teslas side.
Maybe if you live in an echo chamber.
regardless of how true the negative press may be.
As I say, it appears you have an axe to grind.
Which I already admitted to and explained. Not gonna be any horse left to bury if you keep beating it like that.
Someone did the math
Did they show their work?
If so, where is it?
If not, how do you know they aren't full of it?
If it makes you feel any better, I don't buy the media hype, either. Just looking for straight answers from someone who doesn't have a vested interest and/or agenda.
Are you basing this percentage on the number of sensational reports in the media, or from actual stats?
Well, I'd like to base it on actual numbers, but turns out that's pretty hard to do, thanks to all the goddamn spin and hype.
If this turns out to be something related to the Model S then *maybe* it is news, but right now it looks like a fire in a garage (that was also housing a Lexus) that didn't originate from the supposedly pyrophoric Model S battery/charge system, which was completely untouched.
That's what I want to see - a real investigation into the fire causes and likelihood that a defect is causing them. Problem is, there only seems to be 2 thought-camps on this: the Anti-Electric crowd, who wants to convince us that "fire in the vicinity of a Tesla == TESLA FIRE!!!" and the Fanboi crowd, who just scream ad hominems and demand you shut up and stop asking questions. BOTH groups are morons, IMO, because they're both eschewing the scientific process due to of their existing prejudices.
Well, if I look at the number of cars in the US (254 million or so) vs. number of car fires per year (152 thousand or so on average), and then look at the number of Telsas sold vs. number of Teslas involved in car fires, the rate for Teslas is a third to a quarter that of gasoline-powered cars. So yes, if a gasoline-powered model had the same fire rates as Teslas and there was detailed coverage of every single fire it was involved in I'd make an accusation of media hype, how else would you explain that focus accompanied by a lack of coverage of models that catch fire 3-4x as often?
Got any statistics to back that claim, or am I supposed to take your word for it?
I'm not a very trusting soul.
No, in point of fact, the car would be assumed to be a commercial success if the gas car caught on fire as few times as the Tesla has. Those stats have already been shown over and over.
So, what percentage of gasoline cars have caught fire, vs the percentage of electric cars that have caught fire?
You can now go collect your paycheck at BMW.
Shit, I wish, those cats make fat bank.
You know what? Fuck you and your ad hominems, hack.
Aside the fact that anecdotes are not the plural of evidence, I'd like to point out that anything with a battery and "constant-hot" circuit is a continual fire risk, even when "turned off."
Hell, I remember having a Walkman start smoldering on my desk once, way back in the 90's.
"Loudmouth investor"? Do you mean the Tesla CEO, Elon Musk? CEOs are supposed to speak for their company.
You seem to have an axe to grind.
Yes, and yes - the guy is a narcissistic douche who does more harm than good when the goes and whines to the media every single time anyone says anything negative about Tesla, regardless of how true the negative press may be. Personally, I want to like Tesla, but his loud, whinging mouth makes it rather difficult for me to appreciate the engineering.
As for the statement, "CEO's are supposed to speak for their company," I'd respond, "Not if it hurts the company in the long run." Responding to the media is what professional publicists are for.
If you want to insist that someone gives you attribution, get a signed contract that says failure to attribute costs the violator $100,000.
... Per instance.
Do a thorough investigation; hire independent, third-party investigators to double-check the results. Do the whole thing again, just to double-double-check. If it turns out that your car had absolutely nothing to do with the fire, publish the shit out of the results. otherwise, try and sweep it under the rug and quietly issue a recall*.
And for the love of all that's holy, keep that loudmouth investor out of the media; fanboys might love him, but he doesn't do you any favors regarding your image with the public-at-large.
* Hey, if it works for the other manufacturers....
Having some basic knowledge about car fires makes it clear just how much Tesla fires are about media hype.
Having some basic knowledge of probability is also quite handy.
How many gasoline cars are there on the road today, and what percentage of them catch fire?
Ask the same question again, but replace "gasoline cars" with "Tesla Model S"
If, say, a GM model that's only existed for 3-4 years had the percentage of models catch fire that the Model S has, do you think GM would/should issue a recall, or would/should they bandy about accusations of 'media hype?'
let's obsess over the cause of a fire that has nothing to do with the battery... and only happened once and probably has absolutely nothing to do with the car's engineering?
It's worth looking into, especially because the cause is non-obvious.
But to say it "probably" had nothing to do with the engineering? Yea, I'll trust the determination of that one to the professional fire investigators, rather than some random internet user.
One of the most common causes of house fires has always been parked cars, regardless of propulsion technology.
Never heard that one before; I always heard it was a mix between irresponsible smokers and improperly used space heaters (with the majority).
A entire car line was recalled for catching fire for no reason earlier last year.
Not quite - Ford recalled a large number of Focus models because of the potential for fires, not because an inordinate amount of them actually caught fire.
VW did the same thing with their diesel models a few years ago, again not because of actual events but because of the potential for them.
And, for the record, there are hundreds of thousands of Ford Focus' on the roads today, compared to... how many Tesla Model S?
99% of Americans are idiots; 1.0% run the Country. Much like the UK.
Of course, the 1% who run the show are primarily derived from the 99% who are idiots, so... you know...
So instead of 40% of Americans having a poor concept of science, it looks like 40% of Americans have a poor concept of English. Is that any better?
Oh, I'm certain it's much higher than that; all this proves is that 40% of the people polled don't know the difference between these 2 particular terms.
Well said, no argument here.
The only problem I have with the current method of student loan repayment is that the government is wholly unreasonable in how they determine how much you should be paying back per month; to wit, my wife's loan payments are more than our friggin' mortgage. I'm happy to pay back the loan, but shit, man, shelter's kinda more important.
Or at least, were, until she enrolled in a Master's program. Hooray for deferments!
I dated myself once, but left early as it turned out I was an egotist.
The sex was pretty self-satisfying, though.
Drive-by personal attack; got it.
You can keep those to yourself in the future, BTW.