FYI, I would say the "last resort of morons" is decidedly not pointing out when someone has engaged in a logical fallacy, but rather vehemently defending said fallacy even after it's been pointed out.
Also, yes, it is perfectly okay to look down on societies that are shittier than your own, even if your's isn't that great. Even a slum rat in Detroit can look at Liberia and say "God damn, that place is a shit hole."
Well, sure; and maybe that was OP's original point. But with all the goal post movements, it's kind of hard to tell.
Not to mention, it's also "perfectly OK" to have a differing opinion and express it, is it not? If yes, then why the fuck are you attacking me for disagreeing with the original post?
You have no right to a feeling of physical safety. Even if you did, it would not trump other rights.
Stupidest thing I've read in years. The right to not be killed unjustly is the right from which all other rights flow.
'right to not be killed unjustly' DOES NOT EQUAL a right to "feel safe." So, your argument in this case is non sequitur (another type of logical fallacy).
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your garbage.
Yea, $deity help you actually become a fully informed individual, instead of flying off the handle at perceived ills without giving yourself the proper context. How terrible would that be?
... You didn't really try and rationalize domestic spying in flagrant violation of the 4th Amendment by positing the utterly insane idea that the Founders would be down with it, did you? Yea, something tells me General Washington wasn't talking about spying on his own people when he made those statements (hell, even your own reference points out he spied on the British Army, not American citizens), and even if he did, one letter from one person does not a valid rationale make.
How you statists twist in the wind to try and justify your unjustifiable positions... Sometimes I find the doublethink, doublespeak, and out-and-out hypocrisy difficult to fathom.
How feasible is something like this for long-haul trucking I wonder. Then the drivers wouldn't have to be away from home for weeks on end -- they could just sit in what amounts to a simulator room that was setup like a real cab with numerous cameras to give you normal vision and maybe some force-feedback.
Then what would the point be? At least if they were actually driving the truck they'd have the opportunity to see the country. Not to mention, the windows don't roll down in simulators; things could get messy.
Mad scientist, yes. That's how I know what the world looks like through a layman's eyes - I have a couple I keep on the shelf for just such an occasion.
If you are sending a package, and paying a carrier to deliver it, it's a 50/50 relationship... you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy; UPS can just rip open your package and go through it.
Actually, this was settled with mail via the USPS a while ago. Stuff inside the envelopes were considered confidential, while any markings on the outside (address, return address, etc.) were not.
I believe this was used to justify the legality of collecting certain types of "metadata" not so long ago.
And if the government could prove to me that the metadata was all they had access to, I probably wouldn't be nearly as upset about it.
However, when pressed they respond "we don't have to tell you," well, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Not to mention, given the track record of the federal government, we'd be stupid to take them at their word.
You have no right to a feeling of physical safety. Even if you did, it would not trump other rights.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, the police in this country are becoming ever more militarized, and no-knock entry (where they kick in your door and murder your pets) is becoming standard practice, even for routine visits and non-violent offenders. So, unless you toe the line and ask 'how high' when Mr. Government Agent orders you to jump, there is no fucking safety. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it can't or won't. Stop deluding yourself.
Get your priorities in order.
Back atcha, Capt. Logical Fallacy.
What you are experiencing is a first world problem.
Evil is evil is evil. There is no such thing as lesser. In fact, that sort of fallacious thinking is what allows evil to thrive, because morons are convinced that evil is the only option.
You would have been better off making some reference to the phrase, "it could be worse"... like this
And I am **NOT** driving across the Midwest again if I have to visit my mom in Michigan. (There's a reason why it's called "flyover country".)
Why not? It's beautiful here, and the ratio of narcissistic assholes is pretty low... of course, that might have something to do with the fact that those same narcissistic assholes refer to it as "flyover country."... On second thought, keep flyin'.
Guess we're stuck putting up with Homeland Security Theater 3000 for now.
Stuck? No, you listed an alternative option, so it's not the rest of the world's fault you choose to submit yourself to airport bullshit.
Well, for one item at least "letting friends/family through without a screening" let's be honest with ourselves. We're mad that someone doesn't have to wait in the line with the rest of us. The guy knows his highschool pal isn't an Islamic terrorist...
Why is it that statement reminds me of when Jeffrey Dahmer was captured?
Oh, that's right, it's dead along the lines of the interviews with his neighbors and friends:
"Such a nice, quiet boy."
"Jeff? That guy'd never hurt a fly."
"Known him for years, never would imagine he was capable of such horrors."
Yes, let's be honest with ourselves, and admit that if a stranger is suspect, everyone you know probably is as well.
2 years ago I was flying to Bolivia with a group that included a local journalist to cover the trip. The cheap arsed flight went through 3 intermediate stops in central america before getting to our destination. I didn't know it before we left, but the journalist had packed a brand new, high end, Canon DLSR in her checked luggage which was to be her main camera on the trip, and kept her back-up video camera in hand luggage. Guess what didn't make it to the destination?
Gaddamn, why do you folks put up with that kind of shit? If Greyhound or Amtrak lost someone's baggage (especially baggage containing rather expensive equipment), they'd have a shitfit and someone would lose their job, so why do y'all put up with it when it comes to sky-buses?
Yea, you left out the other half of your comment, where you imply one type of oppression is better than another because the other is not happening to you:
As much as I love bitching about the issues that we have here in America, seeing what happens in shitholes like Saudi Arabia makes me feel really lucky to have been born here.
Maybe if you weren't so busy moving goalposts and passing judgement...
As much as I love bitching about the issues that we have here in America, seeing what happens in shitholes like Saudi Arabia makes me feel really lucky to have been born here.
... Our government ruin millions of people's lives over possession of a plant - one conviction and you not only lose your freedom for several years, you lose all opportunity for college scholarships and grants, and have to spend the rest of your life in poverty, working shit, low-wage jobs thanks to a felony conviction. For having a fucking plant on you.
But yea, no physical punishment; at least, not legally sanctioned (although I think Brad Manning might have a thing or two to say about that), and you can say whatever stupid shit you want, so long as it doesn't affect the status quo. How much better, more noble our oppressors are than theirs...
That doesn't really make his point any less valid, mind you.
Considering that his "point" was to marginalize OSS alternatives to expensive, proprietary software by stating that the OSS stuff is "fine for kids typing a paper in middle school or highschool," and "For grown ups I would be furious if I had to use LibreOff[i]ce," implying that they are useless for "serious" work, I disagree.
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I hate to agree with the gun nuts, but if I see a drone, I'm grabbing the shotgun and firing at it.
If you think about it, that doesn't really make sense except that the FAA is keeping the power dynamic unfairly tilted. The taco copter should be free to delivery to you and welcome, but only law enforcement and oil companies are being allowed access to airspace, apparently.
So... then it does make sense...
Screw the shotgun, I'm savin' up microwave parts so I can protect my property with a HERF array.
Well hell, if we're dreamin', I like to think ol' Torvalds hid a backdoor killswitch into the original kernel (which still exists today), and is sitting in his skull-island-fortress doing the Finger Pyramid of Evil Contemplation as he stares at the big red button, cackling quietly and saying "soon, my pets, soon.
Rep. Mike Rogers may not have been lying, exactly, with what he stated earlier. He may have been misinformed (e.g., lied to) by whoever briefed him on NSA's capabilities and available data.
OK, so either he's a liar or an idiot.
Neither are terms of endearment, and both are terrifying when you consider how much power this jackass (and his 534 fellow jackasses) can wield.
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Don't make me equip the crowbar, smartass.
Here's one for you: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy . Stop it with your stupid fallacy link garbage, that's the last resort of morons.
You mad, bro? Why you mad?
FYI, I would say the "last resort of morons" is decidedly not pointing out when someone has engaged in a logical fallacy, but rather vehemently defending said fallacy even after it's been pointed out.
Also, yes, it is perfectly okay to look down on societies that are shittier than your own, even if your's isn't that great. Even a slum rat in Detroit can look at Liberia and say "God damn, that place is a shit hole."
Well, sure; and maybe that was OP's original point. But with all the goal post movements, it's kind of hard to tell.
Not to mention, it's also "perfectly OK" to have a differing opinion and express it, is it not? If yes, then why the fuck are you attacking me for disagreeing with the original post?
You have no right to a feeling of physical safety. Even if you did, it would not trump other rights.
Stupidest thing I've read in years. The right to not be killed unjustly is the right from which all other rights flow.
'right to not be killed unjustly' DOES NOT EQUAL a right to "feel safe." So, your argument in this case is non sequitur (another type of logical fallacy).
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your garbage.
Yea, $deity help you actually become a fully informed individual, instead of flying off the handle at perceived ills without giving yourself the proper context. How terrible would that be?
First Lenun !! Then Stalun !! And Putun !! Now Snowdun !! See the connections !! The similarities !! All Commie Bastards !!
Let this be a lesson, kids: Say NO to Crack.
...aaaaaaaaaaand he's gone. Hopefully out of reach of all repressive regimes, including the USA.
Snowden left a free society
No he didn't. I know it, you know it, and now (thanks to guys like Ed Snowden) the whole world knows it.
American Exceptionalism == Statist bullshit propaganda
Oh, and BTW, insurance premiums under Obamacare are skyrocketing:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130718/BUSINESS/307180100/State-says-Obamacare-will-force-72-percent-increase-individual-insurance-plan-rates
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/313885-obamacare-premiums-lower-than-expected-in-maryland
Hell, just Google "obamacare rate increase"
Lord help you if you smoke, or happen to be overweight.
Gotta love their fucked-up rationale: "Your freedom is likely to be someone else's harm" Yea, that sounds like what a Stasi dogfucker would say.
... You didn't really try and rationalize domestic spying in flagrant violation of the 4th Amendment by positing the utterly insane idea that the Founders would be down with it, did you? Yea, something tells me General Washington wasn't talking about spying on his own people when he made those statements (hell, even your own reference points out he spied on the British Army, not American citizens), and even if he did, one letter from one person does not a valid rationale make.
How you statists twist in the wind to try and justify your unjustifiable positions... Sometimes I find the doublethink, doublespeak, and out-and-out hypocrisy difficult to fathom.
How feasible is something like this for long-haul trucking I wonder. Then the drivers wouldn't have to be away from home for weeks on end -- they could just sit in what amounts to a simulator room that was setup like a real cab with numerous cameras to give you normal vision and maybe some force-feedback.
Then what would the point be? At least if they were actually driving the truck they'd have the opportunity to see the country. Not to mention, the windows don't roll down in simulators; things could get messy.
but that's how it looks to the layman
How do you know? You a scientist or something?
Mad scientist, yes. That's how I know what the world looks like through a layman's eyes - I have a couple I keep on the shelf for just such an occasion.
Mwa ha ha.
If you are sending a package, and paying a carrier to deliver it, it's a 50/50 relationship... you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy; UPS can just rip open your package and go through it.
Actually, this was settled with mail via the USPS a while ago. Stuff inside the envelopes were considered confidential, while any markings on the outside (address, return address, etc.) were not.
I believe this was used to justify the legality of collecting certain types of "metadata" not so long ago.
And if the government could prove to me that the metadata was all they had access to, I probably wouldn't be nearly as upset about it.
However, when pressed they respond "we don't have to tell you," well, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. Not to mention, given the track record of the federal government, we'd be stupid to take them at their word.
If people can't feel physically safe...
... And the goalposts move once more!
If people can't feel physically safe, it's useless worrying about not being able to smoke some stupid plant.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading
also
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
and
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
You have no right to a feeling of physical safety. Even if you did, it would not trump other rights.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, the police in this country are becoming ever more militarized, and no-knock entry (where they kick in your door and murder your pets) is becoming standard practice, even for routine visits and non-violent offenders. So, unless you toe the line and ask 'how high' when Mr. Government Agent orders you to jump, there is no fucking safety. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it can't or won't. Stop deluding yourself.
Get your priorities in order.
Back atcha, Capt. Logical Fallacy.
What you are experiencing is a first world problem.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
Oppression of any kind is a human problem.
Would you rather get executed for speaking your opinion?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
It's not a binary decision.
Maybe my direct tone is not helpful in explaining.
Aww, it thinks it's clever! That's kinda sad...
Wikipedia to the rescue! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesser_of_two_evils
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
Evil is evil is evil. There is no such thing as lesser. In fact, that sort of fallacious thinking is what allows evil to thrive, because morons are convinced that evil is the only option.
You would have been better off making some reference to the phrase, "it could be worse"... like this
That snark was uncalled for.
Uh... isn't that true of pretty much all snark?
you can actually see it with your eyes
And all this time I've been trying to see stuff with my feet. Could be why I'm not a rocket surgeon.
Sounds like you should be running for public office instead.
And I am **NOT** driving across the Midwest again if I have to visit my mom in Michigan. (There's a reason why it's called "flyover country".)
Why not? It's beautiful here, and the ratio of narcissistic assholes is pretty low... of course, that might have something to do with the fact that those same narcissistic assholes refer to it as "flyover country." ... On second thought, keep flyin'.
Guess we're stuck putting up with Homeland Security Theater 3000 for now.
Stuck? No, you listed an alternative option, so it's not the rest of the world's fault you choose to submit yourself to airport bullshit.
Well, for one item at least "letting friends/family through without a screening" let's be honest with ourselves. We're mad that someone doesn't have to wait in the line with the rest of us. The guy knows his highschool pal isn't an Islamic terrorist...
Why is it that statement reminds me of when Jeffrey Dahmer was captured?
Oh, that's right, it's dead along the lines of the interviews with his neighbors and friends:
"Such a nice, quiet boy."
"Jeff? That guy'd never hurt a fly."
"Known him for years, never would imagine he was capable of such horrors."
Yes, let's be honest with ourselves, and admit that if a stranger is suspect, everyone you know probably is as well.
2 years ago I was flying to Bolivia with a group that included a local journalist to cover the trip. The cheap arsed flight went through 3 intermediate stops in central america before getting to our destination. I didn't know it before we left, but the journalist had packed a brand new, high end, Canon DLSR in her checked luggage which was to be her main camera on the trip, and kept her back-up video camera in hand luggage. Guess what didn't make it to the destination?
Gaddamn, why do you folks put up with that kind of shit? If Greyhound or Amtrak lost someone's baggage (especially baggage containing rather expensive equipment), they'd have a shitfit and someone would lose their job, so why do y'all put up with it when it comes to sky-buses?
Gravity Affects Stuff!
Film at 11.
No, I'm certain there are very important scientific discoveries being made here, but that's how it looks to the layman.
Yea, you left out the other half of your comment, where you imply one type of oppression is better than another because the other is not happening to you:
As much as I love bitching about the issues that we have here in America, seeing what happens in shitholes like Saudi Arabia makes me feel really lucky to have been born here.
Maybe if you weren't so busy moving goalposts and passing judgement...
As much as I love bitching about the issues that we have here in America, seeing what happens in shitholes like Saudi Arabia makes me feel really lucky to have been born here.
... Our government ruin millions of people's lives over possession of a plant - one conviction and you not only lose your freedom for several years, you lose all opportunity for college scholarships and grants, and have to spend the rest of your life in poverty, working shit, low-wage jobs thanks to a felony conviction. For having a fucking plant on you.
But yea, no physical punishment; at least, not legally sanctioned (although I think Brad Manning might have a thing or two to say about that), and you can say whatever stupid shit you want, so long as it doesn't affect the status quo. How much better, more noble our oppressors are than theirs...
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
Hey, if you can use the link as a weapon against other people's bad arguments...
That doesn't really make his point any less valid, mind you.
Considering that his "point" was to marginalize OSS alternatives to expensive, proprietary software by stating that the OSS stuff is "fine for kids typing a paper in middle school or highschool," and "For grown ups I would be furious if I had to use LibreOff[i]ce," implying that they are useless for "serious" work, I disagree.
I hate to agree with the gun nuts, but if I see a drone, I'm grabbing the shotgun and firing at it.
If you think about it, that doesn't really make sense except that the FAA is keeping the power dynamic unfairly tilted. The taco copter should be free to delivery to you and welcome, but only law enforcement and oil companies are being allowed access to airspace, apparently.
So... then it does make sense...
Screw the shotgun, I'm savin' up microwave parts so I can protect my property with a HERF array.
Well hell, if we're dreamin', I like to think ol' Torvalds hid a backdoor killswitch into the original kernel (which still exists today), and is sitting in his skull-island-fortress doing the Finger Pyramid of Evil Contemplation as he stares at the big red button, cackling quietly and saying "soon, my pets, soon.
Mwa ha ha."
Rep. Mike Rogers may not have been lying, exactly, with what he stated earlier. He may have been misinformed (e.g., lied to) by whoever briefed him on NSA's capabilities and available data.
OK, so either he's a liar or an idiot.
Neither are terms of endearment, and both are terrifying when you consider how much power this jackass (and his 534 fellow jackasses) can wield.
I use Gimp daily to nondestructively alter blueprints. Photoshop would be a complete waste of money for my shop.
Hey, they just omitted "'cause we already store pretty much the rest".
You gotta let them end their sentences...
I was thinking more along the lines of, "Because Facebook and Google store the rest of it for us."